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Old 10-01-2022, 01:08 PM   #1551
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Didn’t EV drivers also receive the gas rebate a few months ago?
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Placed deposit for my ioniq 5 in February 2022. Dealership updated saying I probably won't get it until 2025.
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Placed deposit for my ioniq 5 in February 2022. Dealership updated saying I probably won't get it until 2025.
At this point, I'm just going to ask -- can you stretch your budget by $15k - $20k? Esp if this is something viable through financing, you can get yourself into a Tesla Model 3 RWD in a few months.
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TM3 is down on my list for EVs. Not a fan of the interior and all the features crammed into one large screen.

At this rate, I might just lease another ICE vehicle for 2-3 years until dealerships figure out the EV supply.
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I got bad news for you about new ICE cars...those are also 10-23 years away.
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Placed deposit for my ioniq 5 in February 2022. Dealership updated saying I probably won't get it until 2025.
Oh geez, I placed my deposit in March 2022. Gotta keep my 2005 Honda Pilot running another 3 years then!

Like you, I'm not a fan of Teslas either.
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Placed deposit for my ioniq 5 in February 2022. Dealership updated saying I probably won't get it until 2025.
are you paying the 2022 price or the 2025 price?
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It's subject to year model price. So 2025.

That would be a sweet deal if i could lock in 2022 pricing! I think the 2023's already are up 3k.
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2024 Honda Prologue

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The exact dimensions are as follows: 121.8-inch wheelbase; 192-inch length; 78.3 inches wide; and 64.7 inches tall.
I do not get the obsession from GM on building such wide cars - sure, rural roads in American can fit these kinds of car but they are a pain in the ass to own in cities and cars like this are city cars. And it's not visibility is very good in these SUVs so placing them in tight spaces can be pretty challenging.
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What GM and Honda are still partners? I forgot but weren't those early 2000s Honda and Acura transmissions that all blew up made by GM. No thanks
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I feel like Honda could have done a better EV if they wanted to but they didn't. The Prologue is just a rebadged chevy. The interior, buttons switches all of it is straight from the Blazer. There's really nothing about it that's "Honda", imo styling is bland comparing to the more aggressive Blazer.
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anyone else sick of manufactures not making their own cars anymore?

This rebadged chevy. that rebadged BMW. the 86 which is a subaru. What a weird time we live in.
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I feel like Honda could have done a better EV if they wanted to but they didn't. The Prologue is just a rebadged chevy. The interior, buttons switches all of it is straight from the Blazer. There's really nothing about it that's "Honda", imo styling is bland comparing to the more aggressive Blazer.
I'm assuming Honda realised they couldn't quickly scale up the Honda E's electric platform to something bigger that suited the US market quickly enough so they had to pursue this band-aid solution with GM for now.

I'm very curious how Honda manages this transition to electric - they are, first and foremost, a combustion engine company (the biggest maker of engines in the world). Do they go down their own path of making their own electric motors (and build something as good as Lucid's motor?) or do they just buy off the shelf like everyone else seems to be doing? The latter implies they don't own their destiny anymore and that just doesn't sound like what Soichiro Honda would want.
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Well Honda did have hybrids for like the last 20 years, insight, crz, nsx sounds like they fucked up by not investing more into the technology.
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For a very long time, Japan as a whole has placed its bets on hydrogen instead of battery electric vehicles. This is why you see Toyota resisting the transition to EVs all this time, despite them being an early player in the hybrid game.

Ultimately, I don't have the knowledge to tell whether hydrogen or electric power is the more superior technology, but it seems obvious enough that at this point, EVs are the preferred choice of the Western governments, and manufacturers are all taking cues from that.
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anyone else sick of manufactures not making their own cars anymore?

This rebadged chevy. that rebadged BMW. the 86 which is a subaru. What a weird time we live in.
Costs too much money to create your own platform and many of the Japanese manufacturers are too small. They should really be collaborating a lot more than they have been.
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Maybe the issue is there no easy way to recharge hydrogen, it's not like I have a hydrogen outlet at home that I can plug into. I think they missed the chance on building hydrogen stations. They should have went balls out like Tesla with super chargers. Or they could do a plug in hydrogen car instead of full hydrogen so worse case scenario you can plug in at home or fill hydrogen that will make it less of an orphan product. Or at least hydrogen stations at the dealer and free hydrogen there.
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if honda doesnt put more eggs in the ev basket im afraid they'll become the next mitsubishi or suzuki
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Smart move on Mitsubishi on delivering what customers want the most, which is a reasonably priced PHEV SUV.
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Honda released the first images of its upcoming Prologue EV on Thursday. Sized in between the CR-V and Passport, it's slated to launch in 2024 and be the brand's first electric SUV. This reminded me of an irrefutable fact: It's time for Honda to bring the Element back as an EV.

Made from 2003 to 2011, the Honda Element is described on Wikipedia as a "compact crossover" but, in reality, it looked nothing like the crossovers we know today. It was smaller, more upright, seemingly designed by somebody who only owned a carpenter square, and generally looked like a cross between a panel van and a Mazda RX-8. (Look at those miniature suicide rear doors!)

There wasn't anything quite like it then and there arguably hasn't been anything like it since. If you ask me, though, now is the perfect time for an electric Element resurrection. Think about it. Its extremely upright shape lends perfectly to a floor-mounted battery. The market loves high-riding, plastic-clad, weird-looking family cars way more now than it did back then. And, frankly, the Element's entire look and vibe just happens to be very electric car-esque despite being designed at a time when the original Tesla Roadster was a mere twinkle in Elon Musk's eye....
I never drove an Element but it seemed to be a classic Honda kinda car to make - a bit quirky but remarkable for the target market. An EV Element would probably be a lot like the VW ID.Buzz - a huge box on wheels which some folks (like me) would love.
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