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Old 10-16-2022, 10:46 AM   #1601
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It sure is. Without mirrors it's 87", with mirrors it's 94". A typical transit bus is 102" and standard lane widths are between 120" and 144".

Standard parking spot in Vancouver is 96" and compact is 90". Thoughts and prayers for anyone parked next to a Hummer EV.
You know those dipshits would park it in a "small car" spot. Drives me nuts to see a pickup truck in a small car spot and it's sticking out from all sides.
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When did the Model Y LR and Performance price difference change to 5k. I recall it used to be way more than that. Makes getting the Performance a bit more tempting if you're willing to sacrifice some range
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When did the Model Y LR and Performance price difference change to 5k. I recall it used to be way more than that. Makes getting the Performance a bit more tempting if you're willing to sacrifice some range
Wow I didn't realize the MYLR is that expensive now. Weren't they like $69k when it came out in like 2019/20?
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seems like toyota figure out a fix for the recall on their bz4x. wonder when they will start production again on them
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I texted the richmond dealer today. He told me it's a 20 month wait for the new sequoia.

Completely shock
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When did the Model Y LR and Performance price difference change to 5k. I recall it used to be way more than that. Makes getting the Performance a bit more tempting if you're willing to sacrifice some range
The reason for the 5 grand gap is if you look at the configuration carefully, the long range has the added optional wheels already.

If you remove it, it will be cheaper, but longer delivery time
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The reason for the 5 grand gap is if you look at the configuration carefully, the long range has the added optional wheels already.

If you remove it, it will be cheaper, but longer delivery time
Hm, I just tried on the online configurator and removed the optional wheels from the LR, it is $87,000 (including the destination, etc fees) whereas the performance is $92,000(including same fees)
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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/families-...-000-1.6116679

Batteries from last gen EV's already rearing the ugly issues of EV/hybrids.
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Batteries from last gen EV's already rearing the ugly issues of EV/hybrids.
The 2018 Kia Soul has a 27kWh, while I couldn't find the exact figure for the Lincoln, I would guess it's pretty small being a hybrid.

Batteries have a certain amount of lifespan that's determined by how many times it's charged and then discharged. A BEV with small battery pack (Kia Soul's case) or a Hybrid with tiny battery, both from manufacturers who don't really have an amazing BMS to begin with are just

Seriously though, this is just the tip of an iceberg of the very beginning of EV transition. Anyone who thinks legacy automakers would have no problem switching to EV would be in for a surprise. What these carmakers know about making engines help them little to nothing in making good EVs.

Yes, they can put an EV together better than one or another, but at the end of the day, it all comes down to spending R&D to understand batteries and electrons. Look at the GM Volt disaster. Yes... GM blames on LG... but Tesla also use LG batteries and they don't suffer the same problem. Reason? BMS and battery design. GM took an easy way out by using batteries in pouches. It offers some advantages (that GM was looking for) but with some underlying risks, which eventually became a problem they can no longer keep under control.

Of course it goes deeper than that... but I'm just giving a very simple example on how legacy automakers would struggle down the road with EV if they don't start investing in the right space.
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The problems for Tesla come when they do get their shit together…. And Tesla cannot compete with their production capacity and parts / dealer networks…
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Batteries from last gen EV's already rearing the ugly issues of EV/hybrids.
I've been harping on this for a while now, some EV owners are going to have a rude awakening over the next few years here.

It's fascinating because this whole idea behind EVs is environmental impact, yet Tesla and a lot of these other manufactures price battery replacement in a cost prohibitive manner.

They would much rather you scrap that old EV and buy a new one entirely as opposed to fixing it, it's quite antithetical to the whole idea of environmental conservation.
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I've been harping on this for a while now, some EV owners are going to have a rude awakening over the next few years here.

It's fascinating because this whole idea behind EVs is environmental impact, yet Tesla and a lot of these other manufactures price battery replacement in a cost prohibitive manner.

They would much rather you scrap that old EV and buy a new one entirely as opposed to fixing it, it's quite antithetical to the whole idea of environmental conservation.
They do that because of how the BMS and cell structures are designed. It's actually for the better of the environment.

BMS is expected to manage thousands of batteries that share a similar level of wear and maintain it throughout the life of the vehicle/battery pack by averaging out on those thousands of cells.

By introducing brand new packs among a bunch of used packs create all sort of problems such as difference in voltage and/or output... making managing the longevity of battery packs even harder, not to mention the difference in voltage might make it more dangerous.

Could we design battery packs that can be swapped out at individual cell level (or small enough qty)? Yes. But you add huge unnecessary complexity to EV designs that serve no real benefit. Making EVs even more expensive, and therefore slowdown the transition to EVs.

Cell packs are expensive. Current industry figure is still roughly $150/kWh at cell level. This means that if your Tesla got a 100kWh battery pack, the pack's price for just the cells are 15k, and this is before putting them into the pack, adding controllers, heat management... etc. Then all the labor and whatever to perform the swap.

And yes, even with that... EV is still miles better for the environment than driving an ICE beater because cells are highly recyclable and EV motors are a lot more efficient. At raw material level, the recycling rate is nearly 100% whereas ICE's fossil fuel is in our air once burnt... no way to get it back. The average ICE efficiency is just under 30%, EVs are 80%+

Eventually, we would likely hit a level of EV adoption that most of new cell productions actually come from old/used cells from old EVs.
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All these EVs seem just like modern day cell phones. Ie disposable. I really don’t think anyone wants to drive a 10 year old EV since their improvements are so great year over year.
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^ You mean 1st gen Nissan Leafs ... with like 50 kms range now that battery is like 10 yrs old.
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that thing wasnt cheap either. i used to see quite a few of them around the city now i dont see any.

Same w/ first gen Tesla Model S's. Hardly see any those around too.
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All these EVs seem just like modern day cell phones. Ie disposable. I really don’t think anyone wants to drive a 10 year old EV since their improvements are so great year over year.
It's actually not that bad.

The reason you don't see many old Teslas around is that their battery packs are worth a lot of money. Hence, it makes very little sense for insurance company trying to fix them when they go into a relatively small accident as the total cost (payout-price for wrecks) is way less than fixing it.

After 10+ yrs of driving, it might not make a great battery pack for EVs anymore, but many are repurposed into home batteries power backup where fast discharge is not necessary.

This is basically the EV version of driving your EV to the ground. Once it becomes too expensive for fix it, either sell the battery pack or put it into your house as a backup powerwall. That's my plan for my Model X anyway. I'm going to drive it for as long as it's still good... and when the day comes, I will just have a capable electrician to do the retrofit for the pack to become the backup power for my dad's cabin.

The price for brand new powerwall that offers 13.5kWh is roughly 15k. The Model X I have has 75kWh. So, that old battery of Model X can replace 5 powerwalls that's 75k. Not bad of an residual value after driving it for 10+ yrs.
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Huh? You expect an electrician to pull the pack out from your car, throw it into new housing, then fitting it into your house? Maybe this goes into the career advice thread.

Also what are your thoughts on sharing the batteries across more cars to make everything hybrid versus limited number of evs?
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^ he did say 'capable' ... but I hear what you are saying, how many 'capable' electrician can do this or would take this on? I mean you literally have to be a Tesla mech. Taking out a car battery isn't as simple as a battery on an iphone ... unless it was a NIO
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as a huge fan of ratrollas i occasionally browse toyota's website to see whats up and i just found out that THE HYBRID COMES IN AWD NOW!!!!!!

e awd, but still. THATS NOT BAD. Good enough to get you out of a slippery situation in the snow and it doesnt really impact mileage. this is the ultimate utilitarian vehicle

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not bad xse hybrid, I remember they made it a big deal when then Prius came in AWD. Now put all this in the hatch body
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Shove in a PHEV model while they're at it too
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Looking at the Toyota lineup, I had no idea those hybrid Sequoias are priced like GLE / X5s.
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Looking at the Toyota lineup, I had no idea those hybrid Sequoias are priced like GLE / X5s.
Priced similar, but we all know what those GLE X5s are gonna be worth in a few years
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as a huge fan of ratrollas i occasionally browse toyota's website to see whats up and i just found out that THE HYBRID COMES IN AWD NOW!!!!!!

e awd, but still. THATS NOT BAD. Good enough to get you out of a slippery situation in the snow and it doesnt really impact mileage. this is the ultimate utilitarian vehicle

XSE Hybrid AWD, game over
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too bad it doesnt come in that blue like the hatch. Would compliment my ratrolla collection so well.
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