Try walking into Toyota to order that corolla, I am just saying.

Enticing pricing on website, great! Actually can order one at that price without adds or trade， even if you are “willing" to wait.

Someone sold a 2021 Sienna Hybrid with 16,XXX KM for 16K over MSRP... like 60K before tax yo!

I mean you can just wrap it for $15000 like your convertible Corolla :lawl::joy::troll::troll::troll:

Oh I know bro. It’s all a fucking joke right now. I’ll just keep my lousy Camry till it blows up and then hopefully either I’ll be dead or the car market has returned back to normal.

That Corolla is the methodology I think we'll see more in the future here.

Full on EVs still have a problem with overall cost, combined with people's hesitation due to range.

If these newer vehicles coming out will begin to offer cheaper and cheaper hybrid solutions like this Corolla, you'll see a HUGE adoption by the buying public.

Props to Toyota on that one. It's a no brainer.

As a person who has gone full EV and still has to do a long ass drive every so often, the problem right now is the limited amount of chargers.

A Tesla supercharger or some 350kWh DCFC that PetroCan/Shell/Electrify Canada are implementing has the ability to pump huge amount of energy within 5-10min assuming the state of charge of a vehicle is low enough (sub 30%)... that's enough for about 150km+ of range even in mountainous portions such as Hwy5 to Merritt. With even faster solution on the horizon.

If there were say a fast charger for every 2 or even 3 gas station, that'd mean I can charge every piss/drink stop and never really have to specifically stop and wait for car to recharge enough to continue my trip.

The "no brainer" solution might be good for the next 2-3yrs. But as more and more and faster chargers are implemented along with longer range EVs come on the market, the idea that EV takes long time to recharge when on a roadtrip ceases to be an issue.

Hybrid makes sense for people coming from an ICE mentality... but once you get used to the idea of how EV works (you charge it just like your cellphone while in city every night, and only need to recharge until the next charging point while on the road), you'd understand why hybrid is actually the worst of both worlds (have all the maintenance of an ICE, and all the problem of an EV having small battery pack).

Nah worst of both worlds wouldn't be hybrids but rather PHEVs. They have larger battery packs to go the distance and motor for power but they also need a gas tank and ICE of everything else. Some PHEVs can't even warm up the cabin while on pure electrical power.

I think Hybrids should still exists for a lot of areas where chargers are uncommon

The "double maintenance" thing isn't a valid argument against hybrids. Go look at the maintenance schedule for one, there's next to nothing on there.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ev-el...b08e0e608ec153

Curious to see what comes out from the investigations on these cars that caught on fire and what can be done to keep it from happening again.

I'm totally embracing the short range on my MINI BEV. It gets 200km on a full charge but since getting it in mid April I've already racked up $13xxx kms on the thing. On pace to over 25k kms/yr.

I drive the shit out of it and have not experienced any range anxiety - even on Bellingham or Seattle trips.

I can't imagine people having range issues with 400km+ range on the new BEV SUV/crossovers if they live in Metro Vancouver.

even more reason to not live in Florida.

I can't remember if I gave an update on my MY18 Leaf.
Currently at 106,000 km's. And that was with the car sitting at Nissan for almost 3 months getting fixed.

Total repair bill was over $25,000 with $10K in a new electric drive motor, $10K for the converter, which was what was wrong with the car, and $5K for a reduction gear that was starting to make noise.
All covered under the 100K km drivetrain warranty. I was at 98K when I took the car into Nissan.

Had I been over the warranty period, the cost of repairs would have been close to the value of the car, pre-covid pricing.

I'm not saying I don't regret getting my Leaf, but there are a lot of these things to consider when getting an EV.
For one, long drives in the summer suck in the Leaf since they use passive battery cooling.

As far as range anxiety, that was gone after a week of ownership.
I've gotten it as close as 0km range while pulling into my driveway.

^^ so are you gonna sell now? How much gas money did you save with that 100k km doe?

Damn... makes me wonder how much $$$ Nissan lost on your vehicle LOL~

At a higher level, do you have any idea how common the issues you came across are to other Leafs in general?

Did they actually lose money though.... Usually it's dealer OEM Nissan wipers $50, $120 labour an hour Vs $15 if you buy online for OEM Nissan wipers, then it's like $10 for OEM supplier made brand. :okay:

I get you, for me it's just not there yet.

My friend recently took his Model 3 to Vernon for a work trip, he had to stop and recharge twice (favorable weather as well, fall).

We do a lot of road trips in the summer and bitter winter for ski trips to the interior, an full-on EV at the current tech levels would stress me out.

I don't like stopping for longish durations. If these hybrids continue to get cheaper and cheaper here, which I've always thought would be the case (thanks Toyota), that's a perfect fit for a lot of people.

Charging EVs at fast chargers are going to get more and more pricy, I guarantee that. I follow Rich Rebuilds on YT and IG, he just posted the cost to charge his Rivian recently:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CkLZd_xOsBC/?hl=en

$80 USD :lol

Def a lot. But some of the earlier charges were done for free so no real way to measure it.

I mean say I had a 2018 Civic. Car itself would have been cheaper by $20Kish.

Say 106,000 kms 10L/100km at $1.50/L and that's $15,900 in gas.
Assuming all 106,000 km's were charged at home, averages out the free charging and the DCFC charging that cost money.
Say average consumption is 5 km per KW, 21,200 KW x $0.139 = $2946.80

At the current rate, after 4 years of ownership, I'd be be ahead by $7000 ish in the gas car VS EV but that doesn't take into consideration oil changes and brakes.

Say Brakes are $500 for pads and rotors, and $50 oil changes every 10,000 km's, that is $1050 in brakes and oil changes.

I'd have to drive another few years for the EV to be ahead.

This is using very generic numbers pre-covid.


When my car was at Nissan, they had a MY2023 car there with 15 km's on the odo. One of the cells in the battery was bad and the whole battery pack stopped working.

On my search of Leaf forums, most common issues were the battery packs. Besides that, not really a lot of common issues. But that's because the batteries in the first gen Leaf's sucked as ass.

Hmmm, $0.68USD/kWh.

Locally, it's $0.21 a min at the BC Hydro DCFC, he was plugged in for an hr and 23 mins, that would have been $17.43 CAD.
Granted he was charging at 125 KW, most of our DCFC's are 50 KW, so say triple the time and it's a $50 charge.

Just picked up my 2023 Model 3 SR+. God dam 60k car doesn't come with parking sensors and blind spot radar. Instead it's a bunch of cameras and a anti-glare side mirror I can't see out of at night

/rant

^I saw the news that they're removing the sensors, but had no idea it was this soon. Does your car still come with stalks behind the wheel? I recall reading articles that those are going away as well..

Congrats on your new car btw :toot:

Didn't know they were getting rid of parking sensors. Would you be rather driving a $60k gas car and paying for gas:troll:

Probably a little off topic but could belong in here. Ken Block’s new video

I heard they were getting rid of those, I would be pretty unimpressed if my 3 didn't have them as someone who parks in a tight garage.

Tesla is making more money per unit than toyota is.

I respect Musk for bringing EV's to the masses (sort of). At least he made them viable and "hot" enough that people are willing to spend the money to try it.

But beta testing his shit is infuriating when his cars arent cheap!!! Cant wait for more mainstream automakers to catch up and surpass Tesla.

Still got the stalks, but I was looking for ages to adjust the steering column and the side mirrors. Found out later they were in the screen lol

They asked me to "Agree" to terms saying that Tesla is moving towards Tesla Vision before picking up the car

At no point did it explicitly say you will now have no sensors or blind spot monitor. :yuno:

so how will these "cameras" work at night and in the rain when visibility is shit!?

at least the ultrasonic stuff would work rain/snow/dark/light etc.