My TH strata is 50% old white people. We narrowly passed a vote to get Telus to install fibre - at no cost to us - just had over the required majority to pass it.

The other people's arguments: "Why do you even need such fast internet, the conduits will look ugly etc" :rukidding:

Old people need porn too :pokerface:

It's normal human behavior to stick with the status quo they are familiar with even when changes present a greater good.

Look at the link about BC Hydro's story I posted a few post back. People pushed hard against electrification. And even with existing gears, they'd rather run it with polluting steamers than having electrical wires running from the dam to their home. These aren't even the normal folks... but people in power making decisions for the province.

But just think that for a second... would you even consider a house with no electricity nowadays? It might be a stretch to think today that there's a direct comparison of not having electricity and not having EV charger, but back then... it's basically this.

And if we fast forward 10yrs from now, where a decent amount of cars on road are electrical (say 50%) and where most new cars you can get at dealership are EV, it would be almost the same by that time to see a place with no charging capability as we see a place with no electricity today.

You might ask why bother with this now when the EV norm might not come for another 5-10yrs? Well... BC Hydro runs on a first-come-first-served basis as far as capacity goes. If the capacity in your area is maxed out... sorry, you just have to wait until BCHydro does an upgrade. It's a problem that a buddy of mine has encountered. He wanted more capacity for his SFH, asked BCHydro for it. Only to be told that the box in his area has maxed out with no estimated time of expansion. That was 2yrs ago and he still hasn't gotten the service upgraded. He now shares the Tesla charger with his dryer.

I know many here who are still on ICE cars wouldn't understand this and think having a charger a luxury. But if I tell you that your place doesn't allow you to charge your phone overnight and you have to take your smartphone elsewhere to charge it, would you even consider living in that place, let alone buying there?

If you can't charge at home or work, I don't recommend an EV to begin with. It's a completely different ownership experience. IMO, if you're going to drive to a charger and sit in your car for 30 mins every second day, just stick with gas/hybrid.

And isn't that the crux of the problem with mass adoption? They're building towers and townhouses. No one got the coins for that.

^^ all the new developments are provisioning EV charging already, townhomes that have private garages you can charge all you want

https://motorillustrated.com/all-new...canada/107980/

2023 Toyota Prius pricing released for Canada

Only comes in XLE AWD $36,490 AND limited AWD $42,990

Developers may say they're provisioning for EV charging, but knowing them, they're going to do the absolute bare minimum.

I can also see Hehe's argument, but he's also speaking from a position of privilege. Clearly he's in a SFH and can afford to pay for a substantial upgrade. As others have already pointed out, some people may not be in a position to get a charger installed, even if they had the money to do it!

$40k for a Prius awd :pokerface: sort of want but I'll be stooping to driving a taxi

We wouldn't have considered an electric/plug-in hybrid vehicle if we didn't a place to charge it. Thankfully, we can charge the Prius Prime at work and run it like a hybrid if needed.

Adding on to EV charging at home, the whole reason on buying the Prime this summer was because our condo presale had limited charging spots available - first come first serve. I believe only 30% spots will have a charger available. I know it sounds super spoiled but I'm not going to spend 30k for an extra parking spot and not have EV charging available.

Hmm... I'm a little surprised that the Prime version isn't announced yet, cuz that's the one that I would have been interested in -- not that I'd actually have the money for it lol~

As far as home charging is concerned, it seems to me that a large enough percentage of non-premium EV owners are doing just fine with L1 charging. Yeah, it's slow and I guess you basically need to plug it in everyday. But there is no harm in doing that, as long as it works, right?

And then you just do your L2 / L3 charging somewhere else as necessary.

If an EV was your only vehicle it seems like it would be impossible to live with only L1 charging at home

I know of 2 daily driven model 3s that just charge off l1 and it's fine. :pokerface: I believe the charge rate is about 8 km an hour in this weather so if you park at home after work and charge over night, you will gain roughly 80 km in 10 hours.

L1 charging would be enough for me.

There's actually a house with a model Y down the street, and that's all they use.

L1 works if you go to work and back home to charge overnight everyday.

And worst case scenario you stay home all day on your off days to recuperate the difference if you run out.

L2 is useful if you do a lot of running around through out the day. I was fine with L1 for months before upgrading.

If the Prime isn’t that much more I’d rather go that route and forget AWD. Even if I can’t charge at home, I can probably sneak L2 on errands and run hybrid mode the rest of the time.

I know it’s counterintuitive, but I want that extra power and the 1000km range.

Getting a charger installed at home can be quite affordable if you don't need one of the fancier ones. Using Tesla as an example, they have a travel charger available that can be used as a home charger if you just get a 240v plug installed where you charge. I used one of these for about 3 years.

Even BMW now includes a 120V/240V charger with the new i cars. Most people are being told to use the dryer plug, but it's popping up in some older homes that the breaker can't handle it and they have to upgrade.

I would be more than happy to make the same tradeoff. If the Prius Prime carries the same $7k premium over the previous model this pushes it to $50-$60k, I think that would push it too close to Model 3/full EV territory...

I think its a mistake to not offer the Prius with FWD in Canada, seems like a blatant attempt to upsell the Prius in the Canadian market...

Isn't that what BMW and mb does it's all X drive or 4 matic.

The Prime likely not having AWD should at least structure the base SE to have a lower price than the non-Prime “base” XLE. It would be a real slap in the face to start the Prime SE above 37k because there’s less features by comparison…unless they bullshit us and only offer XSE and XSE Premium.

The Prime should come in cheaper too because you get the rebate from the GOV.

This is how our Tucson and Santa Fe works between hybrids and plug-ins, the Plug-ins actually comes in cheaper due to the subsidies....

It's a big time upsell considering the base Corolla FWD Hybrid starts at 26,090 and base AWD starting $27,590

That's like a 10 grand price jump :heckno:

EDIT:

At least the Canadian models are priced some what appropriately.

Our US counter part, their top trim model AWD is $39,090 USD:fulloffuck:

New king of the EV's/all cars/bikes when it comes to speed. Elon must not be happy.