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01-08-2023, 07:59 PM
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^This. People dont buy Tesla for fit and finish, people buy Tesla for the technology and charging network.
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01-08-2023, 09:20 PM
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I have said it before, but I will reiterate here just so we can do a Tl;dr.
EV today can have 2 options:
Tesla or others.
There is no middle ground and there won't be much change in the foreseeable horizon.
Tesla is the closest thing you are going to get as to regular car where you commute with it most of the time and goes for a long trip once or twice a year. They are the only one in game that can offer a relatively complete (as long as you stay on major HWYs/Towns) and dependable charging solution when you leave your house.
If you only need a car that you commute with and never really going to leave town, then just pick whatever EV makes you happy.
And no, there is no one building another network good enough in a reasonable horizon. Tesla has 44,000 chargers and growing worldwide and that's only enough to cover major corridors. Benz just announced a plan to do 2700 chargers... that's going to be at best... geographical to have a decent coverage.
As for 3rd parties chargers, until they figure their shit out, it's going to have a lot of hiccups. And they aren't moving fast enough to address them quickly. I've been to every 3rd party charger here in BC, Shell, Petro, BC Hydro, Electrify Canada... you name it, they all had their share of problems. Tesla has always been 100% reliable. Never once I plugged in and it doesn't start charging.
The problem is that all these need a lot of software engineers, sadly, carmakers and oil companies don't have that many.
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01-08-2023, 09:22 PM
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I thought other car makers can plug into Tesla chargers with an adapter ? Is that true ?
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01-08-2023, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz  I thought other car makers can plug into Tesla chargers with an adapter ? Is that true ? | Lvl1/2, yes. Supercharger so far is no go in North America.
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01-08-2023, 09:43 PM
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So they can plug into the chargers at Richmond center but are limited to 120 or 240v? Doesn’t that take forever and wouldn’t other (Tesla)owners get mad as these clowns for taking up precious charging space ?
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01-08-2023, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz So they can plug into the chargers at Richmond center but are limited to 120 or 240v? Doesn’t that take forever and wouldn’t other (Tesla)owners get mad as these clowns for taking up precious charging space ? | No. The chargers at RC are DC fast chargers (Lvl3) or Superchargers. You don't get anything even if you use an adapter to adapt from Tesla connector to your car's port. It doesn't communicate and it doesn't do anything.
I'm saying the lvl 2 chargers that you find in Tesla destination chargers such as some hotels or Aberdeen Center, you can get an adapter and get that to work.
Tesla's connector is actually great. They should really make that connector as North American Standard. It works both DC and AC and can sustain up to mWh in a relatively tiny profile. The connector handles all the handshake needed for Tesla car to the charger and they bill to Tesla account. No fuss no mess. Just plug and play.
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01-08-2023, 10:24 PM
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This whole thing sounds like a huge pain in the ass. More so if you don’t have a Tesla.
I guess charging at home is the only real way to do it.
Just thinking about my current fleet, if we replace the Camry with an EV it wouldn’t save anything other than my 1-2 day office commuting a week (Richmond to DT). Her RX does most of the grunt work ferrying old people, dogs, etc but we also use it to road trip due to its supreme comfort.
Wouldn’t make sense to replace the RX and the Camry cost savings would take 20 years to make back given I only fill it up once a month. Hmmm…
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01-08-2023, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz This whole thing sounds like a huge pain in the ass. More so if you don’t have a Tesla.
I guess charging at home is the only real way to do it.
Just thinking about my current fleet, if we replace the Camry with an EV it wouldn’t save anything other than my 1-2 day office commuting a week (Richmond to DT). Her RX does most of the grunt work ferrying old people, dogs, etc but we also use it to road trip due to its supreme comfort.
Wouldn’t make sense to replace the RX and the Camry cost savings would take 20 years to make back given I only fill it up once a month. Hmmm… | There are really only 2 standards for charging now.
1. Tesla
2. CCS
There's also Chademo, but that's kind being phased out of the market. No new car come with that anymore.
But CCS sucks as a standard. It has mechanical design oversight where the communication part is on top of the port. Making it prone to contact problems in the long term. Many CCS chargers suffer this problem and won't charge because it cannot establish a valid handshake/feed of information of how much load can the batteries take.
And with the current version, 350kW is pretty much the limit. For anything higher, it requires a new port. And it's huge.
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01-08-2023, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz This whole thing sounds like a huge pain in the ass. More so if you don’t have a Tesla.
I guess charging at home is the only real way to do it.
Just thinking about my current fleet, if we replace the Camry with an EV it wouldn’t save anything other than my 1-2 day office commuting a week (Richmond to DT). Her RX does most of the grunt work ferrying old people, dogs, etc but we also use it to road trip due to its supreme comfort.
Wouldn’t make sense to replace the RX and the Camry cost savings would take 20 years to make back given I only fill it up once a month. Hmmm… | For your situation, there is no point going into EVs at all if you are filling once a month loool.... probably will take more than 20 years at your rate haha.
Just wait the shit out until solid state batteries becomes the norm.. so maybe another 10 years from now?
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01-08-2023, 11:54 PM
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Just drive your LC Corolla, it's not like you can't afford gas unlike us poor people    Quote:
Originally Posted by Badhobz This whole thing sounds like a huge pain in the ass. More so if you don’t have a Tesla.
I guess charging at home is the only real way to do it.
Just thinking about my current fleet, if we replace the Camry with an EV it wouldn’t save anything other than my 1-2 day office commuting a week (Richmond to DT). Her RX does most of the grunt work ferrying old people, dogs, etc but we also use it to road trip due to its supreme comfort.
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01-09-2023, 01:57 AM
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That ratrolla is actually pretty good on gas. I got 600km out of the last tank hahaha. I think I still have ptsd from the Maz so I treat it the same way when it doesn’t need to be. It’s a Lexus it’s okay it’ll start. It’s a Lexus, it’s okay it’ll start.
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01-09-2023, 12:00 PM
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01-09-2023, 12:04 PM
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#1963 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Just throw the extension cord on the tree, same as putting Christmas lights on, that's what I've been seeing
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01-09-2023, 01:39 PM
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I would like to hear more about the liability issue lol. Imagine a sidewalk with at least one extension cord across the sidewalk at every house lol. Literally unusable.
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01-09-2023, 01:46 PM
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Lol, so they re-iterate that you cannot reserve a parking spot in front of your house.
So you better remove the cord and guard, every time you leave or someone else can pull up and start charging on your dime :P
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01-09-2023, 01:55 PM
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yes thats right. you cannot reserve the spot in front of your house so how the heck does that work. WORST CITY PLANNING EVER.
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01-09-2023, 04:59 PM
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Seems like a liability waiting to happen - the city's putting a lot of faith in the homeowner/tenant to lay down the cord responsibly, let alone peoples' ability to park in front of their property.
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01-09-2023, 05:36 PM
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There are gonna be fistfights over parking spots in Vancouver's side streets.
EV parks in front of someone's house and uses their charging cable. The homeowner comes out and removes the charging cable from the car. The car owner comes out and things escalate lol.
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01-09-2023, 05:54 PM
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Not to mention the mandatory charging cord covers that will be stolen by trolls.
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01-09-2023, 06:10 PM
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Well I'm glad I put in locking 120v outlet covers outside. It was mostly to accommodate the xmas lights.
My Father in Law went one step further and put in a new outlet with a switch inside on the other side of the garage wall to kill power to the outlet.
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01-10-2023, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hehe There's also Chademo, but that's kind being phased out of the market. No new car come with that anymore. | Except for the 2023 Leaf.. 
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01-10-2023, 07:22 PM
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Have some bad news. 2023 Accord Hybrid has changed to GDI. 2023 CRV Hybrid is also GDI. The port injected Accords were fine. 1200-1500 kms range, no engine issues. I have no idea what they are thinking with the GDI.
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01-10-2023, 07:27 PM
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They better have a system like toyota (D4S) where they have both port and direct injection so that the valves dont get carbon built up. The D4S system works fantastic on toyotas.
On a interesting FSD Tesla note https://theintercept.com/2023/01/10/...age-autopilot/
Damn thing caused a 8 car pileup. Pay 18k for something like this is idiotic.
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01-10-2023, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GIZZ Have some bad news. 2023 Accord Hybrid has changed to GDI. 2023 CRV Hybrid is also GDI. The port injected Accords were fine. 1200-1500 kms range, no engine issues. I have no idea what they are thinking with the GDI. | It's no different than why ICE cars switched from port injection to DI -- the manufacturer gets to eek out another few percentage points' worth of fuel economy, both to help sell the car as well as to satisfy CAFE requirements.
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01-11-2023, 07:46 AM
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