black looks better cuz it hides all the crazy lines of the car

The Audi RS and AMG are substantially more expensive by over 10,000 GBP and they also have a substantial power advantage, so I'm not really at all surprised those two dominated.

The Focus, Golf, and Civic are all in the same ballpark price-wise, so at least it's reasonable to compare them.

To bad the slowest ones are not in the same ballpark. The Honda has a ridiculous price premium added to it. So for the 60k you pay on Honda Civic if you can even get one. You can get the RS3 and any of the other better performing cars for considerably less.
IMHO

^Isnt an RS3 in or over 60k spec'd out?

If you don't get a good deal ya most likely your at 63k
But at least when u resell it in 3 years u wont loose 30k like the cheesy civic:alonehappy:

closer to 70 i think

Love it! these cars should be daily driven.

IMO, between the Focus RS, Golf R, and Civic Type R, the only clear loser in performance situation is the Golf R.

I am not sure whether the ground is completely dry. If it isn't, the advantage tilt further towards the AWD offerings (FoRS and Golf R). But what happens is, the Golf R lost the quarter mile drag race to the CTR despite having AWD to propel it right off the line. Also, in the rolling start situation, the CTR also picked up its pace to catch up to, and pass the FoRS despite its FWD disadvantage.

So what I can see is -- the Golf R has the worst performance, but probably offers the most upscale ride between the 3 cars. The CTR packs the most performance, unless you are in a drag race situation, and the FoRS is somewhere in between.

At the same time, the Golf R will almost certainly be the most maintenance intensive one out of the 3, while the CTR is the most reliable.

Makes sense...the Civic R traps higher than both Focus RS and Golf R.

I can't stand the mentality here....the CTR...actually, all these hot hatches, their strong points were never just straight line speed, it is more meaningful to see how fast they go around a track and comparing those times is more appropriate of these beasts.

^^ thats already been proven around the 'ring, destroying the competition

I think you nailed it man!

the target audience will most likely drag at a stop light at least once during their ownership....... so this is somewhat relevent... i guess...

and yes.... track test has proven, the CTR is the fastest among the competition (STi, EVO X, Focus RS and Golf R)....

As for the RS3 and AMG... I am sure they are faster... but lets be real here... if you got the coin for those 2, you are not going to cross shop for the CTR and the rest... you will probably cross shop a used C63/M3... and worry abt warranty... or die-hard wanting the new car smell...

People were saying the FRS is a piece of shit because it gets beat by a Sienna in a straight line. Suddenly everyone forgets that FRS was supposed to shine on the track not on a drag strip.

I think that's a poor example. I'm not saying the frs is bad, but it's not just a little underpowered, its way too underpowered. I know it's not all about power (I owned an NA Miata lol) but nowadays we can have the best of almost every world

If you want power, there is always a Nissan 370Z at the same price with Toyota 86.

When did the price drop, it actually dropped that far?!?! That's a lot of car for the money

Yep, both can be had for 30k, definitely not a hard choice if you were in the market

It's kinda misleading though. You can get a base 370Z for $30k, but Nissan did take away a lot of stuff to make it that price. And you can't add anything to that base model. I'd imagine people who want to buy a 370Z would at least want LSD and 4-piston sport brakes. After all you probably don't want an open diff with close to 350hp. You will need to get the $34k version to get those.

Lol @ buying German luxury car for the resale

A wild Type R came out to play today at Mission

http://i.imgur.com/oYml8yl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ssJXygG.jpg

Yeah, people were telling me how cheap the 370Z was. That's because they're just window shopping and looking at the base price which gives you nothing. Anyone serious in getting a 370Z wouldn't skip out on all the "necessities" that would quickly drive the price up.

What's interesting is that you can't add any options to the 370z. And so the pricing is sort of weird:
Base: $30k
Sport: $34k
Touring: $44k
Nismo: $48k

That's a pretty big jump from Sport to Touring.....

Wondered if the owner was here lol saw it a few times delivering to the store (fedex) but now im over at VTC ;o

I can personally attest to how incredibly maddening it is to drive a 350z with an open diff. Worst idea ever. That said, if you are open to mods, that base 370z is still a lot of car for the money. If you are mechanically inclined then adding a new diff, and upgrading brakes isn't that big a deal.

Wish I knew who you were as I would have said hi!. Looks like you were in the tower at T3. The CTR overheated as some of them are reportedly doing so now and the condom tires weren't the greatest idea from Honda either.