Civic Type R

[keifun]

Originally Posted by nsx042003

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me

No option for Sunlight/Phoenix Yellow?

[Galactic_Phantom]

Originally Posted by gilly

True dat. considering it is also a limited production car.

Wait what? This is limited production? Source??

[Traum]

Various reviewers seem to be throwing around a 3000 units for the US -- at least for this first production run. To me, that is not a limited production type of car -- it is definitely still a mass produced vehicle. But it certainly isn't a huge number of cars.

I also wonder how many cars Canada will get too... Maybe 500 or less?

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by gilly

they couldn't have just been slimey and make up a bunch of BS fees that added up to that mark-up?

gotta appreciate the honesty though...no holding back...gotta give them credit for including the freight and PDI

hmm BMW M2 or a Civic...tough choice

[BaoTurbo]

Originally Posted by Traum

LOL~ $25k market premium. WTF is this stealership smoking?

Originally Posted by gilly

60% markup LOL

[TouringTeg]

deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2

[Badhobz]

People are cray cray. Why pay almost 30k markup for a car that's slower than the sti and golf r 0-60 and looks like a friggin gundam

[BaoTurbo]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

People are cray cray. Why pay almost 30k markup for a car that's slower than the sti and golf r 0-60 and looks like a friggin gundam

That price isn't including province/state tax yet too. A fully loaded and taxed Golf R is still 10k cheaper than that Type R before taxes. And with that 10k+ you can make your Golf R with the same or more HP as Type R and still have money left over for mechanical mods (rims, tires, suspension)

[G0rilla]

Dont forget anything over 55k requires luxury tax too. Lol 'luxury" and "civic", theres two words I never thought would be in the same sentence.

[twitchyzero]

is luxury tax counted from the base price or does dealer mark-up get included?

[Qmx323]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

is luxury tax counted from the base price or does dealer mark-up get included?

From total purchase price.

So yes its in the 15% bracket

[european]

I'd like to see what Spoon and Mugen will have for the new CTR

[oldsnail]

Canada will only have 2 colors

championship white and black pearl.

my honda rep said that the 2017's are basically all held with deposits.

[tofu1413]

Originally Posted by G0rilla

Dont forget anything over 55k requires luxury tax too. Lol 'luxury" and "civic", theres two words I never thought would be in the same sentence.

factory 20" wheels on a civic...... already

[ZN6]

Originally Posted by gilly

Spoiler!

dafuq? at least they're upfront on the gouging. this is all pretax as well.

Never thought I'd see the day when a civic is priced higher than an S4

[Bender Unit]

Originally Posted by gilly

Spoiler!

This is US Pricing $33,900 US
Don't know how it link to our BC luxury 15% ($54,999+ vehicle)
But that's a crazy markup

No Canadian Price release yet.
rumor $42,000 CAD MSRP

[Traum]

What I'm curious about is how much the Canadian dealer markup would be.

Generally, our stealerships here don't tend to be as bloody greedy as their US counterparts. I suspect some might even sell it at MSRP.

[BaoTurbo]

Originally Posted by Traum

What I'm curious about is how much the Canadian dealer markup would be.

Generally, our stealerships here don't tend to be as bloody greedy as their US counterparts. I suspect some might even sell it at MSRP.

It will just be a bidding war to the highest bidder just like when the RS came out. Someone is bound to buy it at a ridiculous price and that ONE salesperson is just going to be the luckiest one LOL

[donjalapeno]

2017s and 2018s are all sold at my dealership. Were getting like 3 of these cars per year apparently lol

[twitchyzero]

even if the gouge is real there's some solace in knowing your floor mats may fetch thousands and thousands of dollars one day

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by donjalapeno

2017s and 2018s are all sold at my dealership. Were getting like 3 of these cars per year apparently lol

lol, does Acura dealer get more NSX's per year?

[teggy604]

Originally Posted by european

I'd like to see what Spoon and Mugen will have for the new CTR

It will be interesting. Factory is 306bhp but let's see how much more HP you can extract with simple bolt ons, and retune on the stock turbo. Maybe 450bhp?

[dark0821]

^ LOL.. bolt ons with a tune does not net you 50% hp increase.. I will say you should be expecting maybe 350-360hp range....

But you have to realise 360hp thru just the front wheels is... well lets just see how clever the LSD is....


on a different topic, did you see the rumour that Honda is thinking of releasing an AWD version? lolol I guess everyone who jumped on the band wagon early are just kicking themselves ....

[nns]

Article explaining the 3 exhaust pipes. Thought it was interesting how they were honest about not piping artificial sounds through the stereo. Very honest of Honda.

Civic Type R Middle Exhaust - Why the Civic Type R Has Three Tailpipes

The 2017 Honda Civic Type R is here, and it's a knockout. The most hardcore Civic ever packs 306 turbocharged horses and claims to be the fastest front-drive car to ever lap the Nurburgring.

But what's up with that triple-tip exhaust? Some folks seem to think it's just an unnecessary styling feature, but it's much more than that—it's a precisely engineered, fully functional addition that's crucial to the Type R's aural experience. Road & Track spoke with Rob Keough, senior product planner for the 10th-generation Civic, to find out why a four-cylinder car is breathing through three tailpipes of two different diameters.

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"Traditionally with these big flow exhaust systems, when you get up into highway speeds, you can get a lot of droning, booming, buzzing—not very comfortable for high speed cruising," Keough told R&T. Honda wanted to offer a sporty, engaging sound in aggressive driving, without punishing drivers on long commutes or highway trips. And the automaker wanted to do so without resorting to stereo-enhanced engine sounds or complex (and expensive) multi-mode muffler systems.

The solution is to split the single exhaust into three pipes just behind the rear axle. The two outer pipes include large straight-flow mufflers. The center, smaller diameter pipe is a resonator, shaped and sized to perform a particular aural trick.


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At low speed—say, as you're full-throttle accelerating from a dead stop—some of the exhaust flows through the center resonator, generating a louder, more aggressive growl. "You'll hear it both outside and inside the car," Keough said. As you settle in to high speed cruising, the exhaust flowing through the center outlet hits a resonant frequency. The resonator gets stuffed with air, stalling the airflow; the resulting backpressure diverts the exhaust to flow exclusively through the larger outboard mufflers, reducing the cabin noise at highway speeds.

"It basically diminishes the resonator effect at that point, attenuating the sound inside the car," Keough said. "You still get your big flow through the outboard pipes, but you get a more refined in-cabin experience at high-speed cruising. " Under certain conditions, the center resonator can actually begin sucking air in, Keough said, creating a venturi effect flowing out through the outboard pipes.

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"When it’s not flowing through the center resonator, it’s not generating that extra resonance. So it’s not like you have zero exhaust sound, but you’re not generating this extra sporty sound that comes from the resonator," Keough told R&T. Additional insulation and aerodynamic tweaks to the Civic Type R help reduce in-cabin noise on the highway even further.


HONDA
While the exhaust system precisely manipulates sound and flow based on RPM and speed, there are zero moving parts and no electronics involved. That stays in line with the Type R's identity as a raw, honest machine, not the type of vehicle where you'd expect to find faked exhaust notes coming through the stereo. It also helps keep the one-trim-level-only Civic Type R's sticker price in the $34,000 range. "We didn’t build in servos or flap valves," Keough said. "This is a very simply designed system where you’re getting the effect without additional moving parts. It's a very durable, low cost and effective solution."

Of course, the Civic Type R is the kind of car that aftermarket tuners love to fiddle with—especially now that it's coming to the US market for the very first time. I asked Keough if he'll be frustrated to see owners cutting out this painstakingly-engineered three-tip system and replacing it with a big, boomy exhaust.

"We kind of anticipate that," he said. "We wanted to deliver a high quality, sporty, but refined experience for this customer, but we already know some kids are gonna want more noise. We’re not going to be particularly offended."

[donjalapeno]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

lol, does Acura dealer get more NSX's per year?

Don't know about Acura. Im pretty each dealership has atleast one in the showroom no?