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as a beginner, i dont think you should learn the heel/toe or rev match method just yet. you should just downshift into the next lower gear or two if low rpms, and release the clutch slowly. then turn. its safer to do that way.
it might wear the clutch/synchros a little bit but at least your not learning heel/toe or rev match which may cause an accident during main roads.
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Originally Posted by Traum
1) in all of the cars that I have driven -- as in, every single one -- 1st gear has a tranny lockout feature that prevents you from shifting into 1st unless you are going really, really slow. So I'd suggest that unless you think there is an absolute need for it, just take the corner in 2nd if you are already cruising up to the turn in 2nd.
This isn't entirely true, 1st typically lacks syncromesh. A proper double down into 1st can get you into gear, takes practice, even harder if you have a heavy ass race clutch. The issue is handling the the excess torque and wheel spin in first, but less of an issue in a turbo awd car which can benefit from the extra revs to keep you into boost.
I regularly double down into 1, it feels as seamless as shifting from 3-2. I would not recommend this for someone still learning to rev match and heel/toe.
As mentioned before, complete your braking before the corner with wheel straight and your downshift. You should be in gear, not coasting as mentioned. Look ahead through the corner, turn in looking ahead, and feed on throttle smoothly. The more throttle you apply the less steering lock you should be applying, meaning unwind the wheel.
As others have said, for a newbie, the majority of cars do not need to be put into first gear when already in motion... you can easily go 5km/h in second gear no problem, exceptions of course above but that's more for advanced driving.
True that you should never coast with the clutch in at any time, you need power on demand to get out of emergency situations.
Also true that all your braking should be all done before you start turning a corner at all... unless we're talking about throwing a car into a corner while braking for some oversteer on purpose...
Glad to read all the great discussion from my forum question! Yesterday I went for a drive and yes I geared down fully before entering the corner and the turn was much smoother with much more control. This was much better than trying to change the gears in the middle of the turn as I had done the previous day. By the way my car has auto rev matching so I did not have to to do this myself. Thanks for all the help everone!
Not sure how else I am supposed to interpret the bolded part other than "coasting in neutral"?
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Originally Posted by XplicitLuder
by coast i thought he meant keep it in 2nd and as you turn dont touch anything. no brakes or gas
Leading up to the turn he said clutch in, coast the turn and apply power/clutch out. As I'm picturing this in my head, the gear lever is in 2nd but he's got his foot stepping on the clutch pedal the entire time until after he makes the turn.
I think you should get get comfortable driving the manual first, for a month. I drove around after work for a hour or two to get the hang of smoothing the shifts and the feel of the car. Its now been a year and I am a much better manual driver, but I still think I still need some experience. Honestly you learn some tricks here and there every few days or weeks of driving, and recently I just started learning and getting better at heel toe but, its not necessary imo. Going for right turns, I tend to downshift into third or second gear, depending on the speed you're approaching the corners at.
Highway off ramps leading to turns, I just go to fourth or third. That should be enough power to exit, unless you're going really slow, then go into second. Takes time but you'll eventually get the hang of it. Its really fun and nerve racking at the beginning stage but it just comes as natural as typing on the keyboard after a while bro. Don't rush it.
I think the RPM range you're in is more important than the actual gear. All cars have different gear ratios, if you can keep your car in the 2-3k range when in corners you should be okay. If you're just cruising down the street significantly lower.
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