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04-03-2016, 07:25 AM
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I would hope it's capable, Ford was selling 400,000+ Mustangs a year in the 60's with no robots and nothing resembling lean efficiency in place. Considering the lack of drivetrain parts it's also much less complicated to put together than a conventional car.
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04-03-2016, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 68style  I would hope it's capable, Ford was selling 400,000+ Mustangs a year in the 60's with no robots and nothing resembling lean efficiency in place. Considering the lack of drivetrain parts it's also much less complicated to put together than a conventional car. | but back in those days, ford was doing everything in house, even making their own steel, not getting parts from outsourcing or outside suppliers, and they had more than one assembly plant going at the same time. i don't know how many manufacturing plants tesla has (i know they have one in europe making the model s that is running at capacity), and they also have to make versions for overseas markets as well.
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04-03-2016, 08:06 AM
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If they're using TPS it shouldn't be a problem though. Their biggest restriction is the physical size of the factory and having enough money to make it happen... Which, considering they just "borrowed" $253million and counting interest free for the next 1.5 years (Model3 deposits), should make things a lot easier.
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04-03-2016, 08:28 AM
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I wonder how much the 253K+ reservation has shocked the auto industry...just like when Apple introduced iphone 4, people went crazy, and every company jumped onto their boat to make something similar.
Toyota, GM, BMW, and Nissan Management would have been calling meetings like crazy these days.
I am the only person in the family who paid the reservation, the day it was announced I got 10+ message from my uncles and cousins asking whether they should wait or reserve one immediately. The actual numbers could be doubling or tripling.
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04-03-2016, 09:34 AM
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These bozos probably still trying to figure how to make that same car and only charge 35k or less and have infrastructure in place to support. They havent innovated anything for years, still making the same old ICE vehicles and boring ass Prius with the shitiest designs year over year saved for BMW.
But Elon is also bat shit crazy, known to bet the farm on his work. High risk high reward. Wonder if they can do half a mil or even a mil reservation by next year.
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04-03-2016, 09:37 AM
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Is it a proprietary plug at Tesla charging stations? or does the system just not recognize non-Teslas and won't allow charge? I hope the other companies that jump in at the EV hype won't create proprietary stations. Quote:
Originally Posted by Nlkko Elon said in the key note they hope to begin production late 2017. So likely early 2018 for delivery. | yeah for employees/current owners
then next priority is US west coast...no word on Canada. If you didn't line-up or reserve the eve of the announcement I'd hazard a guess you won't get delivery until H2 2019. Don't forget that the X despite being a different beast was delayed twice by almost 2 years Quote:
Originally Posted by thumper i don't know how many manufacturing plants tesla has (i know they have one in europe making the model s that is running at capacity), and they also have to make versions for overseas markets as well. | I don't think there's any in Europe? just the one in Fremont and the gigafactory in Nevada that's not even fully operational yet. I think there's talks about opening another gigafactory in Japan
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04-03-2016, 10:24 AM
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I don't think there's any in Europe? just the one in Fremont and the gigafactory in Nevada that's not even fully operational yet. I think there's talks about opening another gigafactory in Japan
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04-03-2016, 10:28 AM
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here's something i didn't know. amsterdam taxi service uses the tesla model s in their fleet... 167 of them  :  Home - Taxi Electric
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04-03-2016, 12:36 PM
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I have the biggest hard on for Tesla, but to those who made reservations:
1- is it $35,000 CAD or USD?
2- have you read this: Tesla Model 3 vs. Chevrolet Bolt: Battle of the long-range EVs - thoughts?
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04-03-2016, 12:58 PM
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^ The only thing that would go against the Model 3 is possible delay in delivery. Dude has design for the Bolt. Really? It looks like every other ugly hybrid/EV.
The Superchargers are proprietary in the sense that it currently locks to Tesla owners only. If they decide to share it (very likely) then they will just do a software unlock. It's free for Tesla owners so they'll probably have to charge something/work out or deal with other car manufacturers.
Most of the charging is done at home anyways so it's not like it's a huge cost to them.
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04-03-2016, 07:53 PM
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there is no way the Bolt is going to win the battle, only advantage GM has is the production line and ready to be delivered in 2017, but with all the Model 3 publicity people are ready to wait.
Will BMW make something similar? I guess they continue the i-B$, then make all their series with the e-option (plug in hybrid)
Will Toyota make something similar? Good luck with the Prius design
Will Nissan and VW make something similar? they are the best Tesla rivals, the e-golf, e-up, Renault Zoe, Leaf. Without something new this year, their market share will definitely get swallowed in 2017.
EDIT: 276K by end of Sat...crazy
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04-03-2016, 08:36 PM
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god, it's going to be a long wait for some people. Good thing you can get your money back. I'll wait until first wave of problems sort themselves out.
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04-03-2016, 08:44 PM
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So its 35k usd base price. They mentioned average optioned car will be 42k usd.
Canadians are paying 46-55k cad?(who knows what exchange will be when it finally out)
Is it worth for an electric car? Will fuel costs saved be worth it?
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04-03-2016, 09:07 PM
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Will fuel costs saved be worth it?
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04-04-2016, 12:36 AM
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It's kind of a "hide the weenie" game for electric cars... They still use lots of fossil fuels in production (plastics, etc) and electricity isn't made for free especially in California they buy it from BC... And lithium batteries are absolute toxic nightmares.... I think the go green people are a little out to lunch nevermind the people trying to "save money on gas" by spending $55k+ on a new vehicle.
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04-04-2016, 12:45 AM
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^ I would invite you to study more about EVs. This is a post Elon post 10 years ago that explains some of the environmental effects of EVs: https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/sec...een-you-and-me
There is not a single doubt it is greener than internal combustion engine cars. I will still keep my V8 luxury car because it's a toy and because I can. But for daily driver, I will drive a Tesla any days.
It is not 100% clean, yet. But it's a step in the right direction.
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04-04-2016, 01:05 AM
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#142 | | I keep RS good
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Originally Posted by 68style I would hope it's capable, Ford was selling 400,000+ Mustangs a year in the 60's with no robots and nothing resembling lean efficiency in place. Considering the lack of drivetrain parts it's also much less complicated to put together than a conventional car. | the computer and battery both probably take more effort in parts, design, and materials and putting together than a whole car from the 60's haha...
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04-04-2016, 02:00 AM
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My wife put down a deposit for delivery in CA, she was the 25th person for that location according to sales. I think given the price, model 3 is great for people who commute and already have 2 cars (with the Tesla 3 replacing one of the ICE)
In my wife's case, she does about 50~70miles per day between work, pick up kid and (sometimes) family, and other stuff like groceries.
A Tesla 3 would be enough for her to cover 2-3 days of driving (assuming she forgets) and the space is more than plenty for groceries and a kid.
We are not giving up our ICE car, so that would stay for anything longer than the ~200miles range roundtrip.
And assuming she can get it fairly quickly, she might still qualify for about 10k USD in incentives from both fed and state gov. We see it as a great deal.
If the Tesla 3 goes well, we might get rid of ICE cars all together and just stick to rentals if we need to take a road trip.
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04-04-2016, 05:57 AM
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Tesla's plugs are proprietary. Besides even if the plug is compatible, they can lock out others because there is also a software standard. They haven't done so yet, but it is an option available. Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchyzero Is it a proprietary plug at Tesla charging stations? or does the system just not recognize non-Teslas and won't allow charge? I hope the other companies that jump in at the EV hype won't create proprietary stations.
yeah for employees/current owners
then next priority is US west coast...no word on Canada. If you didn't line-up or reserve the eve of the announcement I'd hazard a guess you won't get delivery until H2 2019. Don't forget that the X despite being a different beast was delayed twice by almost 2 years
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Originally Posted by asian_XL I wonder how much the 253K+ reservation has shocked the auto industry...just like when Apple introduced iphone 4, people went crazy, and every company jumped onto their boat to make something similar.
Toyota, GM, BMW, and Nissan Management would have been calling meetings like crazy these days.
I am the only person in the family who paid the reservation, the day it was announced I got 10+ message from my uncles and cousins asking whether they should wait or reserve one immediately. The actual numbers could be doubling or tripling. | can i ask you how much is the cost of electricity in HK? are there charging stations everywhere, or do you have to do it at home? is electricity generation from coal or nuclear power plant?
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HK$1.1 per kilowatt hr = CAD18cents? it is double more expensive than in Canada.
there are 10 locations with superchargers in the city (the highest density in the world as per Musk said), and all of them require you to pay for the parking first in order to get your car charged up.
HK$8/hr to park ($1.4cad) x 1hr charging time VS. HK$40~50 ($7cad) charging it at home.
I believe it is coal, but who cares when the pollution from China is much worse
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Originally Posted by 68style It's kind of a "hide the weenie" game for electric cars... They still use lots of fossil fuels in production (plastics, etc) and electricity isn't made for free especially in California they buy it from BC... And lithium batteries are absolute toxic nightmares.... I think the go green people are a little out to lunch nevermind the people trying to "save money on gas" by spending $55k+ on a new vehicle. | Ah, the old "petrol head" argument against EV from 15 years ago
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Originally Posted by asian_XL HK$1.1 per kilowatt hr = CAD18cents? it is double more expensive than in Canada.
there are 10 locations with superchargers in the city (the highest density in the world as per Musk said), and all of them require you to pay for the parking first in order to get your car charged up.
HK$8/hr to park ($1.4cad) x 1hr charging time VS. HK$40~50 ($7cad) charging it at home.
I believe it is coal, but who cares when the pollution from China is much worse | HK uses coal, gas, and diesel generators and also buys nuclear power from China
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04-04-2016, 09:19 PM
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I would only buy an EV like the Model S or 3 if I had the capability to charge at home overnight.
Waiting 20+ minutes at a "charge station" is still unacceptable to me.
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