Bro. You can't disagree with my proposal without offering a viable alternative. c'mon man.

I live in Coquitlam as well and deal with the Pinetree/colony farms on a daily basis.

we need new road infrastructure immediately across metro Vancouver. Saying traffic is bad and my neighborhood wont handle increased volume is just plain nimbyism.

Like I said, if you think traffic in our hood is bad now. Wait until you really see the effects of a closed Pattullo. Increased traffic is coming to both our neighborhoods and we have to either deal with it or change current road configurations.

BrokeBack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess%27_paradox

Braess Paradox bro. More road != Less Congestion.

More roads invariably lead to the same amount of congestion over time. The only things that reduce congestion is transit and making neighbourhoods more liveable.

I love driving but making more roads doesn't solve anything, it only makes it worse. It encourages sprawl which leads to more cars which leads to more roads which leads to more cars.....

Getting cars off the roads and localizing travel is what we need to do.

I am not in opposition with you on a new bridge across the river. I totally support another bridge. However, forcing your idea of a N-S bridge that connects SFPR (HWY #17) and Schoolhouse won't be feasible. There was a proposal that was presented not too long ago about your idea of a bridge connecting SFPR and King Edward (not Schoolhouse). That didn't fly for some reason.

As for an alternate solution, I should have shared two ideas: (1) build a twin of the Pattullo and have 2 bridges side by side each accommodating one way traffic. While the new one is being built, old Pattullo is open for traffic. Or, (2) a bridge that connects SFPR (HWY #17) cor Bridgeview Road to an bridge that spans the Fraser River and crossing over United Blvd and terminating into HWY 1 between Braid and the Coquitlam exit.

Peace and cheers, bro!

why can't we just charge .50 for all bridges and 1.00 for port mann and golden ears.
like seriously. why the hell is this so hard to understand? The capital outlay to build the toll structure shouldn't be super duper since technology and expertise is already available with treo --- economies of scale!

If i were playing sim city i'd just demolish all of lower new west minister from highway 1 to queensburough and build a proper highway along with a shorter height bridge then restrict large boats from going further up the river. Make it some cheap 50 million trestle bridge with a proper interchange on the other side with no lights or none of that crap. Build the entire highway into the side of the mountain to send all the noise to the river and away from the city then build a properly flowing quieter city above.

Might be a bit of a stretch but it might be possible to fill in the shores of the fraser and build a highway on that to avoid the entire city...

Since both those options are never going to happen, and it's doubtful a new bridge will do much to alleviate traffic since you have so many lights on the other side, I think the best option is to give everyone free parking at every skytrain and make it a single fare for a 90 minute ride anywhere in the city then toll every bridge 1$. Would cut out so many pointless trips across the bridge that only ad to the congestion and would promote transiting instead.

100x this. The roads are congested for a variety of reasons and number of lanes sits very low on the list.

I cringe every time I recall driving once from Seattle during afternoon rush hour. There were lanes everywhere and yet everything was still crawling. More lanes means more frustrated lane changes and more pressure to be in the right lane for the right exits, which in turn means more accidents. We have at least one or two almost every day on major arteries when everyone is heading home, and then Port Mann or Hwy1 around Boundary get clogged up even though they both have plenty of lanes. People's inability to keep their distance and zip merge is probably part of the reason.

Separate from that, there are ways to make traffic more efficient with relatively low number of lanes. However, the next problem is that doing things such as eliminating left turns or introducing more traffic circles would confuse the hell out of the general driving public.

Yep leaving SEA to VAN during rush hours is a nightmare with no accident. If theres an accident, you might as well take an hour nap. God forbid if you didnt take the express lane out of downtown....

More roads or bridges is not the permanent solution for traffic congestion. Having less drivers behind the wheel is. I'm ok with making driving so much more expensive that most people need to adapt to public transport. I think that's where we're heading anyways.

Unfortunate for people whom commute west or east..
Now need a long detour or forced to pay TREO

Public transportation is only useful if you have a point A to point B type job. home - office - home.

Is a plumber just supposed to load their tools and 20 ft long pieces of pipe on the sky train?

Sales and marketing. Don't worry just put your display cases and oversized samples in the disabled seating section of the train.

Did you just order a pizza? don't worry. the delivery guy is on the B-line. Should be there in hour and thirty minutes.

:pokerface:

just another unhappy reminder to those of us who have to deal with the patullo... closures starts this april 29th in the evening:

Change habits now in anticipation of Pattullo congestion, says New Westminster mayor - British Columbia - CBC News

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2451522.1460755832...d-new-west.jpg

Translink spending $100 million to repair the bridge.

In 2 years Translink will spend $XXX million tearing it down and building a new one.

:fulloffuck:

or we can have an earthquake like kumamoto and knock it down right after we had finish refurbing it.. all done in 2 minutes! ;)

Patullo's main issues:

Bridge must be demolished and reconstructed in THE SAME SPOT.
You have the train bridge on the East and the Skytrain on the West, and if those weren't bad enough, you only have a small corridor of space on the New West side because of residential housing.

Now if you were to move the bridge, you only have 1 option: East. Go towards Braid, because downtown New West is West and there is no viable landing for a bridge anywhere there with the Quay.

Patullo is built where it is solely because the Fraser gets much thinner there, making the crossing a shorter span. As proposed, going to Schoolhouse would almost DOUBLE the span, and that's not a cheap bridge to make just afew km's down from a WAAAAAY overpriced Portmann.

GLHF, I don't see the Patullo being rebuilt until it collapses and there are casualties. :facepalm:

Is it single lane traffic in each direction the entire day, between April 29 and Sept?

from my post above:

Translink wanted to build a new bridge. The transportation plebiscite killed that opportunity. Now they gotta do what they gotta do.

Ah the putullo, nothing wakes you up in the morning better than the ass clenching terror of a semi pulling up next to you on one side, and the strong presence of reinforced plastic separating you from a head on collision on the other side. All in a lane fit for a vehicle the size of a Tonka truck.

what you said pretty much brackets my work day :cry:

Especially when it comes to crucial public infrastructure, I just don't understand why the government (municipal, provincial, and federal) cannot go into debt to come up with the necessary funds to fund the project. The plebiscite wasn't only just a loud and clear protest from the citizens that Metro Vancouver do not want a new transit tax, it was also every bit as much of a protest against the completely incompetent body otherwise known as TransLink.

are those tolls in the last part?

see #2:

Pattullo Bridge: 5 things you may not have known - British Columbia - CBC News

wow. just wasting time here because my work meeting got canceled because those people who were supposed to be in attendance are stuck behind a dead semi blocking the bridge and this came up on my newsfeed:

Incredible they managed to do something in a shorter than intended time period.

This company who did this work should be bookmarked and used again. Knowing translink though they probably wont...

Those patullo newsfeed post was quite well written and communicated a lot of good info. Whoever put that out did a good job!

IMO put up a new bridge and toll it. I'm so tired of waiting in traffic at this point. TBH they should just combine the rail bridge beside it too so that the rail company can pitch in for the infrastructure.