Review (and possibly proposed changes) to ICBC Collector Motor Vehicle Program
 

This is not something of my own doing, but has been brought to my attention through a friend on Facebook. Since his blurb is well-written and already mirrors many of my thoughts quite closely, I am not going to re-invent the wheel, and will just quote him here:

ICBC Collector Motor Vehicle Program Review Survey

As an enthusiast, I personally do not see any reasons or advantages in any of the proposed changes to make it harder (ie. takes longer) for someone to collector / vintage plate an older vehicle. IMO, 25 years is already a pretty good age. Increasing that to anything longer would only make it more difficult for people to keep and preserve these cars, so it is against the intentions of the Collector / Vintage program to preserve automotive history in the first place.

I don't care about collectors plate.

It's only good for going to car show or taking your car in for maintenance.
I don't think you're even allowed to go shopping with that plate.
You can't even change rims or get a coilover...or put better sound system.

On the other hand, Transport Canada is trying to push 25 year importation law instead of 15.
That should be decreased to 10 or even 5. Thank you very much.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehicl...-index-448.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_i...vehicle#Canada
"In March 2007, Transport Canada initiated proposed rulemaking to change the importation laws such that vehicles not originally manufactured to Canadian-market specifications would be eligible for import only once they are 25 years old, rather than the present 15-year cutoff rule."

Ok but you as a car enthusiast, what 25+year old car would you keep stock though?
If you get a first gen Civic or Corolla, I'm sure you would do some kind of custom rebuild or restoration with some updated goodies.
Same as if you get European or American cars.

The only reason I could see somebody might wanna keep their car stock is maybe something like Ferrari 250 GTO where historical value is so high, just so that you won't hurt resale value.

Timpo, if you don't care about collector plates, I dunno why you would even bother commenting in the thread.

Also, don't be so single-minded with your approach to "car enthusiasts". Enthusiasm comes in many forms and shapes, and the older I get, the more I appreciate this diversity. My automotive enthusiasm very much comes with a high performance flavour, so many of my cars tend to get modified one way or another. But that doesn't mean I have to disapprove of other enthusiasts' preferences. I personally do not understand the draw of the Stance Nation crowd, but if they enjoy what they are doing, who am I to judge them for how they want to tweak their cars?

Given the chance, I would absolutely love to have and collector plate a bone stock ITR. I know that one isn't legal for collector status yet, but if I could somehow afford (and find) it, it is certainly what I would love to do. Another idea is a bone stock NA Miata of some sort. This one is totally attainable, and is already valid for collector status.

You are failing to understand that an enthusiast can choose to keep a car stock. Especially when I already have a nicely and mildly modified car, why would I have to modify an everyday classic vehicle? Or maybe I'm hitting my midlife crisis, and that I just want the same car I had in hs to re-live my youth?

Learn to appreciate diversity a little. You might even grow wiser and more mature as a result. :)

Thanks for posting this. I will fill out the survey.

I am an owner of a stock 2001 CDM ITR. I have owned plenty of modified plenty of cars but this car is fantastic in stock form. I am restoring it to OEM stock over time. My plan is to continue to collect parts to restore the body in a few years. I have a replacement OEM fender and side mirror (aftermarket fender and cracked mirror) and still need OEM Type R stickers, windshield mouldings and side window mouldings.

Yes you can do some modifications and still receive collector plates. Example: wheels that are period correct and up to 1" larger in diameter.

http://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registra...tus.pdf#page=4

:rukidding:

If you don't know wtf you're talking about, then don't say anything at all.

You can't drive a collector plated car to work. Everything else is fair game - even driving it to the grocery store.

And as TouringTeg mentioned above, certain period correct and safety modifications are allowed.

Timpo got confused with Vintage plates and collectors plate.

Vintage plate is the one where you are only allowed to drive on special occasions or to repairs.

Collectors plate are for any pleasure use. Just cant be used for going to work/school.

Just a quick note, the upcoming changes to the collector program in 2017 involves the modified collector program up to 1974. This means that you would be able to modify your car I.e power train, suspension, brakes, appearance.

As someone else has pointed out already, you would be able to use your car for pleasure use. Another advantage of a modified collector is being able to protect your vehicle for the appraised value or declared value.

I personally would want them to raise it to the mid 90s but maybe in another 20 years.

The program is fucked.

This can get collector plates:
http://i.imgur.com/x2QAEDI.jpg

But this (I) can't:
http://www3.telus.net/bryster/IMG_3936.jpg

I don't actually want collector plates because I want to drive the car to work, but even if I did I couldn't. I welcome any changes that actually make the program reasonable and make sense.

icbc always trying to make more money

:ahwow:

You know, the only semi-plausible explanation I can think of that could spur the proposed changes (of increasing the vehicle age requirement) is it might make ICBC a little more money. But that line of thinking is so absurd and completely against the "official stance" of preserving automotive history. If I have a decent condition 23 year old car (say, NA Miata), I might find it worthwhile to gradually restore it back to "exceptional OEM state" over 2 years, after which it'll qualify for collector plate. But if the requirement becomes 30 years, I might as well just ditch the car and purchase something else (or abandon the plans altogether) because 7 years is a really long wait. So the net result is, there'll be fewer collector vehicles, and the automotive history preservation goal will fail.

The only proposed change i agreed with in that survey was to allow a 3rd party (body shop or what have you) to verify quality of vehicle for collector status application.

And even then, it should only be an option (which is what the survey wording says), instead of a mandatory thing.

How cheap is collector plate though?

Does it actually deter you from building your Miata project?

Maybe the Mustang owner wanted to drive it on daily basis. Whereas truck driver just wanted to keep the truck in his garage. Who knows.
I guess the Mustang owner really wanted to keep his aftermarket(I think?) wheels?

I think the concept of the program is good, but in the end a high value car should not be allowed to insure for a low value rate. All the translates to is when it is involved in an accident the rest of the "regular" drivers foot the bill to repair. That I do no agree with. I don't need any more reasons for my insurance rates to go up. I have the max discount I can get and still pay out the nose to insure my cars.

Edit: I do believe truly collectable and limited run cars should receive some sort of special treatment as long as they are driven within the guidelines of the insurance. However this time of year I see a very large number of people with collectors plates using them for not so "pleasurable" uses like commuting to work 5 days a week....every day.....for the past 2 months.

Personally the only think that irks my chain is the modified classic. It's been stuck at pre 1958 since who knows when, meanwhile the 25 year rule changes every year. There are so many gorgeous cars from the 60-70's that are on the road that can't be collector plated due to their modified status. One day I'd love to get collector plates on my car,but right now it's not happening.

You're an idiot. This is no different than someone registering their "regular" car for "Pleasure use only" and paying a lower premium based on that.

Should those people get in a collision and ICBC finds out they were using their cars for commuting to work (Which they will, It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together) ICBC will deny them insurance coverage.

Im the idiot for voicing my opinion?
Eat a bag of dicks there buds!

There is a difference. The rates for a far more valuable car (collectors car) are less than Jane's 91 Corolla (regular Joe with pleasure only insurance) are vastly different.

As for a collision, prove that they did not use one of the allotted days to make that commute. Unless there is someone constantly monitoring them they are fully insured operating a vehicle for far less than anyone else.

I don't think Collector Plate cars are allowed any use for going to/from work at all. A pleasure use vehicle has that allotment, and it is allowed 6 days per month to use it for work.

They should scrap the Collector Motor Vehicle Program and allow one plate for multiple cars. I would like to own a couple of more cars but having to insure a car that I am barley going to drive is stupid.

I know what you're getting at, and in theory, I agree with it as well. However, executing this requires a fundamental shift in how auto insurance is issued. Instead of having insurance (mostly) tied to a vehicle, it needs to be tied to the driver.

I figured it was like that, however I could not find anything other than saying that Collectors plates were for "Pleasure Use" only.
But under ICBC Pleasure use allows for a limited number of work runs a month.

From the ICBC page:

Collector vehicles