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Apple's whole MO is taking old(er) tech, waiting for it to mature, and then implementing it better and user friendly than any other competing company. And they charge a premium for doing that.
Apple's whole MO is taking old(er) tech, waiting for it to mature, and then implementing it better and user friendly than any other competing company. And they charge a premium for doing that.
Too many people wrongly associating "innovation" with being the "first".
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Too many people wrongly associating "innovation" with being the "first".
Agreed. Innovation can also be taking an existing technology and making it better (i.e. more user friendly or more efficient) This is Apple's niche. How often do you use the face unlock or eye tracking on your Samsung phone? I sure don't. Hell, I didn't even use fingerprint unlock until I got my S7 because previous implementations sucked and were unreliable.
As for pricing, they're priced competitively with other flagship phones. Compare it to say the Note 8 - Samsung's current flagship phone. The price difference between the two is very little. I think the number of people who complain about the price are the people who think their subsidized $300 iPhone 6 actually only costs $300. A flagship phone nowadays is going to always be around the $900-1000 mark (unsubsidized) no matter who the manufacturer is.
Smartphones are replacing personal computers. Your comparison to TV's is terrible.
The X also has a infrared camera so no light or lots of light won't affect it.
A computer is a great example. A 5/6 year old computer will be good enough for most tasks. Any computer sold at best buy today will be good enough for most tasks.
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My friend who is an apple fan told me about the new iphone and how its the best one because of the new wireless charging and this new screen.... I looked at him and then just looked away...
FaceID isnt new, just facial renegotiation.. but at least apple made it better then Samsung.. haha...
All apple is doing is taking old tech and just improving, which is fine.. but I hate it when people say its new or apple just invented it, etc
while I am not too thrill with this anniversary iPhone.
FaceID is not old news. yes android has it but the way Apple is implementing it is completely different. Every face recognition on mobile device right now beside the one on microsoft surface is 2D. It can easily be foul by photos and what have you.
People said the Exact same thing when Apple introduce TouchID,
-Android had this years
-its not going to work reliably
-people are just going to go back to go old passcode
-its so easy to lift a print on your own phone and "hack" the fingerprint scanner.
Yes Android had it for year before apple did, and it was a gimmick the whole time. Its easy to be skeptical.
Look at now, TouchID is a very valid security measure. People trust their bank account info lock behind TouchID. Most importantly, legit banking institution recognize this as an acceptable way to secure your account. This didn't happen all those years when Android had fingerprint scanners
Apple is utilizing tech to 3D map your face, the failure rate on the FaceID is far far far less than TouchID (which also 3D maps your fingerprint).
there is 1 in 50,000 of someone else unlocking your phone with the TouchID
there is 1 in million chance of someone else unlocking your phone with the FaceID
This couple with Apple's already good track record on keeping date private and secure could mean an entire new way to approach mobile security
As for the wireless charging, Apple is adopting Qi as their prefer wireless charging platform. Before all you android folks saying Qi has been around for ages, Apple officially adopting the platform means that all the other wireless charging maker can basically go eat shit.
New infrastructure will actually actually consider putting in public wireless charging solution now that they don't have to pick between betamax or vhs.
Innovation does not mean first. Who can remember the first time finger print scanner was put onto a mobile phone? Nobody remembers. Ask anyone when finger printer sensor start to matter in a mobile phone, It was the iphone 5s with the TouchID.
Android is very good with the first on the scene. But mass adaptation of a technology and taking it from gimmick to actually useful? Iphone has a pretty good track record with that.
the screen though, yea I give you that. Samsung is also forcing Apple to take left over pick of OLED screen. I argue that majority of the price increase is due to Apple's unable to source OLED screen at a good price. Can't wait to see breakout of part, revenue on each phone. I bet you Apple is making same if not less money on the X than say iphone 8 or iphon 7
Face recognition is there because they couldn't get the fingerprint sensor under the screen ready in time. That's the same reason Samsung's fingerprint sensors are in such shitty spots.
OS aside is a preference anyway, strictly looking at screens S8 and V30 beat out the X. Samsung and LG have been using OLED for years.
I wonder how the 8/8plus pre-orders gonna look like tomorrow. Same design for the past 4 years now. 6-6s-7-8 incremental updates.
Especially with the X 6 weeks away from pre-order.
The iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus and redesigned iPhone X have arrived. They bring a host of new features and increased price tags (some more than others), but on closer inspection it appears Apple's AAPL -0.88% most fundamental upgrade will not work as expected...
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Apple's new iPhones bring fast charging, but at a cost...
The iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus finally delivered fast charging to the iPhone range years after most of Apple’s rivals. It was essential. Apple makes solid claims about performance too saying it will provide a 50% charge in just 30 minutes.
But there’s a problem: this won’t happen out the box.
Yes, despite Apple pricing its new iPhones as high as $1,149, not a single one of the new iPhones will come with a fast charger as standard. This is because Apple will continue to bundle the Lightning to USB-A charger regardless of model or storage capacity and fast charging will require a more powerful Lightning to USB-C charger.
Needless to say, that don’t come cheap.
Apple currently sells three different Lighting to USB Type-C chargers, the 29W A1540, 61W A1718 and 87W A1719 and they retail for $49, $69 and $79 respectively. Furthermore the chargers all have mixed reviews on Apple’s site. Why? Because none of them come with a cable.
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Apple's Lightning to USB-C fast chargers are expensive (this is the cheapest) and a compatible cable costs extra
And you will need one because the bundled Lightning to USB-A cable won’t fit. Of course Apple sells individual Lighting to USB-C cables in 1 metre and 2 metre variants and they cost $25 and $35 respectively. So this means users will need to pay a minimum of $74 to add fast wired charging to a new iPhone - that’s a total outlay of $1,224 in the case of the 256GB iPhone X.
Expect wait! Because that’s probably not the end of your costs.
While Apple confirmed to me the requirements for iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus fast wired charging, it has yet to confirm whether the Qi-compatible wireless charging of the new models will be compliant with Qi’s existing 15W fast wireless charging standard. AppleInsider explains users may instead require ‘AirPower’ certified devices (Apple’s customisation of the Qi standard) for a premium wireless charging experience.
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All Apple's new iPhones support wireless charging, but is fast wireless charging another optional extra?
How much will an Apple AirPower matt cost? We don’t know. Apple showed matts off at the launch, but they won’t go on sale until 2018. Then again the optional AirPods’ wireless charging case expected to cost $70, bringing both fast wired and wireless charging to your Apple gadgets is likely to be far more expensive than most users imagined. And that’s before you think about having chargers in multiple locations.
Feel free to do the math based on the iPhone model which interests you:
iPhone X - 64GB ($999), 256GB ($1,149)
iPhone 8 - 64GB ($699), 256GB ($849)
iPhone 8 Plus - 64GB ($799), 256GB ($949)
Fast wired charger - 29W ($49), 61W ($69) 87W ($79)
Lighting to USB-C cable - 1m ($25), 2m ($35)
AirPower charging matt (Unknown)
AirPods wireless charging case ($70 expected)
Ultimately iPhone fans will pay what they wish to pay, no-one is being forced to part with their money. But with new models costing over $1,000 and many fast charging Android phones costing less than the cost of Apple’s optional fast charging accessories, it is understandable if some think Tim Cook has finally gone too far...
TLDR:
- No quick charge USB-C cable or charger included
- USB-C cable sold separately from fast charger
- Prepare to get nickle and dime'd to death.
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^ slightly annoyed they didn't just ditch Lightning and go universal with Type-C since it's already on Macbooks. At least there's Qi so it's a step in the right direction to eliminate some of the proprietary crap
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while I am not too thrill with this anniversary Before all you android folks saying Qi has been around for ages, Apple officially adopting the platform means that all the other wireless charging maker can basically go eat shit.
don't understand why it always has to come to an Apple v. the other guys argument
I'm also confused by your statement as Apple clearly emphasized in the announcement to go with an open standard so that it'll be compatible with 3rd party wireless chargers.
there is 1 in 50,000 of someone else unlocking your phone with the TouchID
there is 1 in million chance of someone else unlocking your phone with the FaceID
Wouldn't identical twins be more likely to have the same face than the same fingerprints? The chances of someone having identical twins is about 1 in 350. Maybe they meant 1 in a million of someone who is not their twin?
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Face recognition is there because they couldn't get the fingerprint sensor under the screen ready in time. That's the same reason Samsung's fingerprint sensors are in such shitty spots.
The goal would be to have both forms of identification in order to properly unlock
TLDR:
- No quick charge USB-C cable or charger included
- USB-C cable sold separately from fast charger
- Prepare to get nickle and dime'd to death.
I think them making boatloads of cash from the quickcharger/acccessories market is only part of their decision to go with 1A out of the box though. If you have used quick charging on any phone you'll know that the battery life cycle of the battery decrease the more you quickcharge it. For a normal user who uses their phone as a daily driver, the battery lasts them the whole day. It's probably in their best interest to not quickcharge their phone all the time for longevity
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A computer is a great example. A 5/6 year old computer will be good enough for most tasks. Any computer sold at best buy today will be good enough for most tasks.
Same with cell phone that's 5 to 6 years are still good for more people. Heck my mom was still using my iphone 4 till this year and it was good enough for her needs. The only reason she change to a 1+1 was because the battery die. I am still using an Iphone 6s and is good enough for me.
Best buy computer is like those cheapo brand 1+1, Moto, Mii etc etc..... those phones are good for most users. Might not like the best, or have the latest tech but for average joe is perfect.
Same with cell phone that's 5 to 6 years are still good for more people. Heck my mom was still using my iphone 4 till this year and it was good enough for her needs. The only reason she change to a 1+1 was because the battery die. I am still using an Iphone 6s and is good enough for me.
Best buy computer is like those cheapo brand 1+1, Moto, Mii etc etc..... those phones are good for most users. Might not like the best, or have the latest tech but for average joe is perfect.
And that's why all these new features are gimmicks. The problem is Apple and other companies have to make new phones every year or there stock prices will drop. So so they are forced to come up with some new feature/gimmick every year. Sooner or later they will be out of idea's.
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^ slightly annoyed they didn't just ditch Lightning and go universal with Type-C since it's already on Macbooks. At least there's Qi so it's a step in the right direction to eliminate some of the proprietary crap
don't understand why it always has to come to an Apple v. the other guys argument
I'm also confused by your statement as Apple clearly emphasized in the announcement to go with an open standard so that it'll be compatible with 3rd party wireless chargers.
I think you were thrown off by the term open source.
Currently there are multiple different wireless charging protocol, some are open source some are not. Android phones from various manufacture utilize one or ther other protocol sometimes multiple protocol.
What I mean is Apple is officially backing Qi, it signals the death of other charging protocol. which mean people can focus their energy on making Qi protocol public wirelesss charging facilities and equipment. It has nothing to do with whether you can use 3rd party wireless charger.
Imagine having proximity wall charger install in malls etc
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