Originally Posted by Amaru (Post 8830159)

No.

I like your choice of car though, definitely a contender. I personally have a small issue with the image associated with American muscle but there's no question it's a great car these days.

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8830177)

Lexus RC-F
$85,400 + tax & fees

https://amd.c.yimg.jp/amd/20141021-2...000-7-view.jpg

Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8830214)

Compared to everything else on this list? Not really.

It uses the same motor as the Corvette Z06. 640hp, 0-60 in 3.6 sec and can top 200mph. Pricing undercuts all its competition but inflation puts all car prices through the roof.

Originally Posted by Amaru (Post 8830218)

Disagree. See this build I created last night online, with all the additional options fitted to suit my personal taste... http://bit.ly/2n5lzlA

^^ has similar to the options list on my M4 and less than $1k difference in price between the two. $94k after tax. Another $5k of room in the budget to add some more options if needed.

I think this is the most appealing alternative for me personally (M4 being the other) in this price range. No-one else has posted something that's made me wetter upon seeing the pics in this thread

Originally Posted by Teriyaki (Post 8830225)

Went to price out a 3-series touring with X-drive because that's always what I envisioned the perfect family hauler to be if one could afford it. Then... I found out BMW only sells it in the 330xi model, AND it was priced at 47k. That seems lower than I remember. Have BMW's gotten cheaper? or maybe its just some stupid low base price and you have to pay 8k just for an automatic. In any case, this is my pick because does anyone REALLY need more than a 3 series touring.

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane (Post 8830220)

LOL WUT? what is this "image" you speak of?

Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8830228)

C&D lists:

CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)

M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k

US Dollars

ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.

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I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.

Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8830228)

C&D lists:

CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)

M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k

US Dollars

ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.

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I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane (Post 8830227)

in reality, no one really needs more than a corolla s. excluding people who use vehicles for work obviously.

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8830235)

lol, you mad bro.

Because taking 3 hours to get there by bus fucking sucks. and hauling gear to where ever your going to by bus also fucking sucks.

Originally Posted by Amaru (Post 8830246)

True, no argument from me on that one.

But you know what else sucks, man?

Buying a Toyota Corolla instead of a $95,000 BMW or Mercedes or Mustang... or any other sexy 500hp luxury sports coupe posted in this thread... when you're not the one paying, and you don't get to keep the change.

Or fuck it... hauling your gear around in a cramped little econo car sucks too. Not as much as the bus, but it's not as nice as doing the same thing in a brand new Acura RDX or Audi Q7 or BMW 550i.

....

If I mad, bro, you also mad, bro. :noyoudidnt:

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 8830117)

M2/M3 for me no question.
The M2 is the only new car I have any interest in that I could possibly be allowed to financially cripple myself for. The M3 is in the parameters of the thread for me, but no chance in real life.

Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8830266)

decisions, decisions...

2016 BMW M2 6MT w/ M Performance Exhaust - $72000 (Richmond) https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/6018329491.html

M2 Coupe, 6 speed manual, and M performance exhaust ($3450 option). 7100kms

Exterior Color: Long Beach Blue Metallic
Interior: Black Dakota Leather w/ Blue Contrast Stitching

Price: $72000

2016 BMW M3 (sedan) 6spd manual - $72800 (Vancouver)
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/6032141083.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_...r0_600x450.jpg


but...

:(

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8830333)

That M3 is used.

It has to be brand new, under $100k.

Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8830334)

that response was for westpoher, showing he dosen't have to "financially cripple" himself overpaying for new.

Originally Posted by Amaru (Post 8830221)

Over the C63S and M4? Really? I don't mind it and haven't driven it personally, but the reviews aren't flattering.

Reason for choosing over German options? (genuinely curious)



Well, Caddillac has always positioned itself as the value-oriented choice for ppl who want 0-60 times below 4 seconds but can't fork out $90k for a Bimmer or Audi or whatever..... they offer the same performance minus a bit of fit and finish and drop $10k or more from the price tag.

Now, you're basically saying that the CTS-V is MORE than the German comparables in this market segment, which is a big shift in strategy for Cadillac if true.... and honestly, it has to be a great car in many ways to justify being more expensive than a Merc, BMW, and Lexus. People will pay $10k just to get one of those badges on the hood of their car, nevermind the actual refinement of German or even Japanese cars (generally).

Also, M4 is generally pegged at 3.7-3.9s for the 0-60 on DCT models (which is 90% of all M4's), and YouTube has vids of stock M4's doing 3.6s on street tires in the right conditions. I imagine the Merc is close (IIRC they're claiming 3.9s in the brochure), too....

....so the CTS-V is basically identical in performance to the Germans, but costs more and isn't German. Might still be a great car worth the money, I don't really know, but it's a tough ask to try and get someone to pay extra for a Cadillac with similar performance when there's proven ///M's and AMG's that are cheaper.

On a side note: Kids, please beware with advertised power numbers... Porsche and BMW are notorious, for instance, for underrating numbers. The M4 is advertised as having 425bhp and most dyno runs I've seen show at least 425hp to the WHEELS, with some ppl estimating that the real torque is up to 100lb-ft more than BMW claims in their brochure. No idea why, but I know that you can't rely on specs anymore to determine who will be faster in the real world. Remember when the GTR first launched, and it "only" had 480bhp but somehow destroyed $300k supercars on any track or in any drag race?

(also, can you re-create the advertised times in the real world? I sure can't in my M4, and I doubt you can post that 3.6s 0-60 time in a RWD 500bhp Cadillac either .... unless you have a perfectly configured car on new tires during a summer day with 18ºC ambient temps and tire pressures between 233 and 239psi and Sebastian Vettel at the wheel, that is. Otherwise, expect 4.0-4.5s on most days if the brochure says 3.6s, and less once your tires begin to disintegrate -- after 2 runs)