| Vancouver Auto Chat 2016 VAC Community Head Moderator: Raid3n |
 | | 
07-19-2017, 01:29 AM
|
#1 | | NEWBIE ACCOUNT!
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 12
Thanked 6 Times in 1 Post
Failed 1 Time in 1 Post
| German Brand Dealers
Hi Revscene,
Looking for opinions regarding various German brand auto dealers in the Vancouver BC area. First, I'm not rich, so I don't want to walk in and pay full msrp on a new vehicle. My question is, are BMW, Audi, Lexus willing to negotiate?
I've been reading up on various forums and it seems like our neighbors in the States are getting anywhere between 6% ~ 12% off MSRP. Will I get laughed out of the show room coming in with similar expectations?
Thanks!
| 
|  | |
07-19-2017, 01:36 AM
|
#2 | | To me, there is the Internet and there is RS
Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nanaimo
Posts: 16,672
Thanked 7,787 Times in 3,663 Posts
Failed 1,507 Times in 645 Posts
|
When did Lexus become German?
__________________
Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter. | |
| | |
07-19-2017, 02:18 AM
|
#3 | | Banned By Establishment
Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 7,410
Thanked 660 Times in 199 Posts
Failed 3 Times in 3 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic!  When did Lexus become German? | In World War 2 when Japan was part of the Axis Alliance with Germany 
Anyways sexpot, if you're not rich then you should get a pre-owned car instead of a new one. But to answer your first question, every dealership is willing to negotiate except maybe Porsche.
__________________
Why are you reading this?
Last edited by DJ Milk; 07-19-2017 at 02:30 AM.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 06:59 AM
|
#4 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Ricemond
Posts: 9,956
Thanked 11,555 Times in 4,183 Posts
Failed 490 Times in 249 Posts
|
Most Mercedes stores are corporate owned in Vancouver. That means not nearly as much wiggle room as say a franchised BMW dealership.
Best bang for German buck, I'd say would be Audi. Second best probably be bmw as they have aggressive rates on 3 series.
Try jag. Their xe hasn't been moving much so I'd figure the rates must be pretty decent on them.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 07:06 AM
|
#5 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PENIS
Posts: 4,350
Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,325 Posts
Failed 298 Times in 126 Posts
|
get a VW
__________________ There's a phallic symbol infront of my car Quote: |
MG1: in fact, a new term needs to make its way into the American dictionary. Trump............ he's such a "Trump" = ultimate insult. Like, "yray, you're such a trump."
| bcrdukes yray fucked bcrdukes up the nose
dapperfied yraisis
dapperfied yray so waisis
FastAnna you literally talk out your ass
FastAnna i really cant
FastAnna yray i cant stand you
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 07:14 AM
|
#6 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Ricemond
Posts: 9,956
Thanked 11,555 Times in 4,183 Posts
Failed 490 Times in 249 Posts
|
Dude if you're not rich just buy second hand or buy a vw like yray suggested. That or just buy a corolla. You'll show people how fiscally responsible you are.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 09:41 AM
|
#7 | | Rs has made me the man i am today!
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 604
Posts: 3,023
Thanked 688 Times in 190 Posts
Failed 22 Times in 10 Posts
|
Buy a car because of the car, not the logo in front.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 09:52 AM
|
#8 | | I wish I was where I was when I wished I was here
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: West Coast
Posts: 4,932
Thanked 3,098 Times in 733 Posts
Failed 703 Times in 219 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by mos_skeeto Buy a car because of the car, not the logo in front. | Welcome to the Lower Mainland.
__________________
--------------------------
Cadillac CTS (Current) | |
| | |
07-19-2017, 10:08 AM
|
#9 | | NEWBIE ACCOUNT!
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 12
Thanked 6 Times in 1 Post
Failed 1 Time in 1 Post
|
Thanks for the input everyone. Not rich as I can go around and pick out whatever carefree. But made some good investments in real estate in the last 4 years that it would be a nice treat for my wife and I. Lexus was thrown in there as an alt to the BMW/Audi. Will probably test an IS350, but my wife already said no.
TL;DR - not interested in used, but would like a deal and not pay full price.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 10:18 AM
|
#10 | | I subscribe to Revscene
Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,910
Thanked 5,039 Times in 1,144 Posts
Failed 16 Times in 14 Posts
|
just use a service like unhaggle.
Save you a bit of money, but also a bunch of dealer BS.
My buddy had a great experience with this service and a new VW last year.
Note: this method is really only applicable if you know exactly what you want.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 10:23 AM
|
#11 | | NEWBIE ACCOUNT!
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 12
Thanked 6 Times in 1 Post
Failed 1 Time in 1 Post
| Quote:
Originally Posted by The Producer just use a service like unhaggle.
Save you a bit of money, but also a bunch of dealer BS.
My buddy had a great experience with this service and a new VW last year.
Note: this method is really only applicable if you know exactly what you want. | Very true, we used Unhaggle for the pricing guidelines and invoice cost for our Honda last year. Call me weird, but I actually like going dealer to dealer and negotiating  | |
| | |
07-19-2017, 11:11 AM
|
#12 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Neverland
Posts: 2,705
Thanked 641 Times in 339 Posts
Failed 191 Times in 65 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by sexpot Very true, we used Unhaggle for the pricing guidelines and invoice cost for our Honda last year. Call me weird, but I actually like going dealer to dealer and negotiating | Now try that same idea at German Auto Dealer like Benz lol | |
| | |
07-19-2017, 03:08 PM
|
#13 | | Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 308
Thanked 396 Times in 95 Posts
Failed 4 Times in 2 Posts
|
It also depends on dealer's inventory level on specific model you are looking for. For example dealer will do whatever they can to push some model they have a lot in stock, so you can get better discount or even close at dealer's cost. But for some model such as Civic Type R or M2 that dealer won't have much allocation and high demand. You will be lucky to get one at MSRP, don't even think about discount.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 03:46 PM
|
#14 | | I subscribe to the Fight Club ONLY
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC
Posts: 7,187
Thanked 6,941 Times in 2,821 Posts
Failed 255 Times in 141 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Milk But to answer your first question, every dealership is willing to negotiate except maybe Porsche. | How "unwilling to negotiate" would a local Porsche dealership be? Or would I have to go to Victoria or Calgary to land myself a good deal?
According to the US forums, it seems like our southern neighbours can generally expect ~5% off MSRP (from Porsche).
Last edited by Traum; 07-19-2017 at 03:54 PM.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 03:47 PM
|
#15 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PENIS
Posts: 4,350
Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,325 Posts
Failed 298 Times in 126 Posts
| I RETRACT MY POST ABOUT VW, JUST GET A CAR2GO MEMBERSHIP.
anyhow, what car do you want?
__________________ There's a phallic symbol infront of my car Quote: |
MG1: in fact, a new term needs to make its way into the American dictionary. Trump............ he's such a "Trump" = ultimate insult. Like, "yray, you're such a trump."
| bcrdukes yray fucked bcrdukes up the nose
dapperfied yraisis
dapperfied yray so waisis
FastAnna you literally talk out your ass
FastAnna i really cant
FastAnna yray i cant stand you
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 04:55 PM
|
#16 | | Rs has made me the man i am today!
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 604
Posts: 3,023
Thanked 688 Times in 190 Posts
Failed 22 Times in 10 Posts
|
I think it's kinda funny when people get excited about how much they saved on something vs the value of the thing you're getting. Car A is 30,000 msrp and Car B is 35,000 with a 5000 discount and all of the sudden that means that car is better. I guess the secret is to start high and discount like those shitty jewellery shops that have 40% off year round.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 07:51 PM
|
#17 | | I don't get it
Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: GVR
Posts: 406
Thanked 357 Times in 146 Posts
Failed 66 Times in 8 Posts
|
It's not about the dealerships whether they are willing to negotiate on sale prices, sometimes it's the PA or managers that you speak with.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 10:09 PM
|
#18 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 22,114
Thanked 9,873 Times in 3,928 Posts
Failed 881 Times in 421 Posts
|
someone who wants a new, upscale vehicle can't be looking for a deal?
it's also in some cultures to try and negotiate when possible...a car purchase is definitely one of those times. If paying MSRP, maybe throw in some swags. some options. or a better warranty.
maybe Vancouver dealers are getting comfortable with people who show-up, not wanting a test drive but ready to sit-down for the transaction, no questions asked.
good luck OP, post a pic when you take delivery of it.
| |
| | |
07-19-2017, 10:42 PM
|
#19 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: vancouver
Posts: 2,416
Thanked 938 Times in 288 Posts
Failed 286 Times in 94 Posts
|
get a smart car and do some speeding in lion`s gate
| |
| | |
07-20-2017, 07:35 AM
|
#20 | | I don't like cheese but I love milk!
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Van
Posts: 1,980
Thanked 895 Times in 243 Posts
Failed 105 Times in 49 Posts
|
BMW has $3500 factory credit, 0.9% APR on MY2017 340xi right now.
You can usually get 5-7% off MSRP from the dealer.
48month/80k km. leasing residual rate is 48%
Basically cost just under $600+tax per month to lease it with the basic premium package.
FYI that's cheaper than what my brother is paying to lease his Sienna minivan, and cheaper than lease payment on a lexus is300 when i was shopping last year.
Stock is probably very limited tho since MY2018 is going hit the show room in 1 month.
| |
| | |
07-20-2017, 07:13 PM
|
#21 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: vancouver
Posts: 841
Thanked 810 Times in 179 Posts
Failed 41 Times in 14 Posts
|
Any dealer will want to move inventory that has been sitting too long for various reasons. ie. odd colors, unpopular options, base models, last model year, cancelled orders, overstock. Just lease it and let the dealer deal with it after.
| |
| | |
07-20-2017, 11:42 PM
|
#22 | | NEWBIE ACCOUNT!
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 12
Thanked 6 Times in 1 Post
Failed 1 Time in 1 Post
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferra BMW has $3500 factory credit, 0.9% APR on MY2017 340xi right now.
You can usually get 5-7% off MSRP from the dealer.
48month/80k km. leasing residual rate is 48%
Basically cost just under $600+tax per month to lease it with the basic premium package.
FYI that's cheaper than what my brother is paying to lease his Sienna minivan, and cheaper than lease payment on a lexus is300 when i was shopping last year.
Stock is probably very limited tho since MY2018 is going hit the show room in 1 month. | Thank you Ferra, this post pretty much hit the nail on the head with my experiences so far. BMW was more accommodating when I went to see them with Audi coming in second. Richmond Lexus was the worst as they did not want to budge on pricing.
Not quite the discount levels as you see posted on various bimmer/audi forums. But I'll take something better than nothing | |
| | |
07-21-2017, 10:44 AM
|
#23 | | RS.net, where our google ads make absolutely no sense!
Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rmd
Posts: 924
Thanked 435 Times in 194 Posts
Failed 16 Times in 13 Posts
|
Use Unhaggle for free to see what range (below MSRP) you can negotiate. That can be your starting point if you really want to negotiate in person.
| |
| | |
07-22-2017, 01:15 AM
|
#24 | | 2013, 2016, 2017 & 2018 NHL Fantasy RS1 Champion
Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 7,092
Thanked 1,294 Times in 600 Posts
Failed 65 Times in 37 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Traum How "unwilling to negotiate" would a local Porsche dealership be? Or would I have to go to Victoria or Calgary to land myself a good deal?
According to the US forums, it seems like our southern neighbours can generally expect ~5% off MSRP (from Porsche). | Curious as well
| |
| | |
07-22-2017, 09:32 AM
|
#25 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Neverland
Posts: 2,705
Thanked 641 Times in 339 Posts
Failed 191 Times in 65 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by yray get a VW | VW is doing 0% financing right now for general models other than Golf R, Touareg, or Beetle.
| |
| | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
| | |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:09 AM.
|
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!
