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And believe me, I get it. The resolution to every single problem on this planet is actually very simple.
All it would take is for every single human being to say 'i am your brother/sister. I love you. How can I help'.
Unfortunately, human nature is not so collective.
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My friend, I hate to be the one to break this to you. but regardless of the social structure chosen, the conclusion is the same; the vast majority of the population working for a very small number of people at the top.
That is the thumbnail sketch of mankind
Yeah, so maybe instead of doing the same old thing every time and expecting different results, we should try something new.
I haven't heard anything "new" suggested. By anyone
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Jagmeet Singh uses his race card early in the game:
Jagmeet Singh Suggests CBC's Insistent Questioning About Alleged Terrorist Was Racist
"The fact that this is something that I have to say is troublesome."
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OTTAWA — NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh thinks a controversial CBC interview in which he was asked repeatedly to denounce the veneration of alleged Air India mastermind Talwinder Singh Parmar was racist.
"Should I just say 'yes' directly? I think there was definitely some sort of clear problematic line of thought behind that question, so I'm definitely concerned with it," he told reporters Sunday when asked if he felt the questions were racist.
Earlier this month, CBC journalist Terry Milewski, who spent much of his career following the Air India investigation, asked Singh to denounce those in the Sikh community who hang pictures of Parmar — a man believed responsible for the worst terrorism act affecting Canadians — and who celebrate him as a martyr.
Parmar, a naturalized Canadian citizen from British Columbia, was identified by an inquiry into the botched RCMP and CSIS investigation as the leader of the 1985 Air India bombing that killed 329 people, most of them Indo-Canadians. Flight 182 exploded on June 23, after Sikh extremists fighting for an independent state from India planted two bombs on the plane. Parmar was killed by Indian police in 1992.
During the CBC interview on the "Power & Politics" show, Singh did not address Milewski's question directly. He denounced the violence but did not denounce the posters of Parmar. Milewski asked him five times.
"I don't know who is responsible," Singh told Milewski. "But I think we need to find out who is truly responsible, we need to make sure that the investigation results in a conviction of someone who is actually responsible. And we need to, as a society, collectively, unequivocally denounce any time innocent lives are lost. That is something unacceptable.
"All Canadians stand together united against any forms of violence, terror against Canadians, and, in fact, against anyone around the world."
Singh said Sunday that he wasn't sure what Milewski was asking about when the CBC interview veered towards Parmar.
"At the time, I didn't know who he was referring to," the NDP leader said in response to a HuffPost question about why he had not denounced the posters. "But I made it absolutely clear, unequivocally, that I condemn any violence against anyone in the world.... It was offensive to me that that was even a question. It is so obvious, that any Canadian would unequivocally denounce anyone who is held responsible...
"The question, to me, was very troubling. He put that question forward with such an obvious response [expected]. I responded very clearly. I denounce anyone, anyone held responsible for any act of violence perpetrated against any innocent lives. It is just unacceptable. It is, fundamentally, something that we all denounce."
Parmar hasn't been held responsible officially for the Air India bombing — he died before he could be tried. Some Sikhs believe he is innocent and wasn't given a chance to clear his name.
In the Air India inquiry's final report, Canadians learned that CSIS, the RCMP, the Department of External Affairs, local police forces and Transport Canada collectively possessed information before the bombing that:
Sikh extremists in B.C. were planning to bomb one or possibly two Air India planes;
Parmar's group, Babbar Khalsa, was working on a "highly secret project" in the spring of 1985;
Parmar was assessed as the greatest threat in Canada to Indian diplomatic missions and personnel;
In early June, Parmar and his associates conducted experiments in the woods that involved a loud explosion.
Singh said Parmar's pictures were not an issue with which he was familiar. "There is not an issue around this in Ontario, so it is not something I've ever faced...
"I didn't know about the specifics of what [Milewski] was asking about," Singh said, further explaining his response. "Air India happened when I was about five years old, but I'm very clear on, and have been clear on — I've attended memorials with respect to the victims and their families, survivors of this horrible and heinous act.
"I've talked about how everyone denounces it.... At the time, I didn't know what [Milewski's] goal was, what he was trying to achieve, I made it very clear, I denounce anyone held responsible. We've had inquiries, we've had courts, anyone held responsible needs to be denounced and, in fact, there are still a lot of questions that are unanswered, and people have questions about this. People need to have justice."
In 2007, pictures of Parmar at a Vaisakhi parade in Surrey, B.C. created an uproar and a controversy for then B.C. premier Gordon Campbell, his provincial Liberals and some Conservative MPs when they attended the event to court the community's votes.
Milewski told HuffPost that Parmar's photo was also displayed for years in the dining hall of a large gurdwara, a Sikh temple, in Mississauga, Ont.
Asked Sunday if posters are appropriate, Singh responded: "I'm not here to tell what a community should or shouldn't do.
"I can tell you as a leader of a party that I'm fundamentally opposed to violence, fundamentally opposed to any innocent lives being taken, fundamentally opposed to any violence being perpetrated against people.
"The fact that this is something that I have to say is troublesome. The fact that that is not an obvious question to you, or anyone asking the question, why would you assume otherwise? It's obvious to anyone that's a leader in this country that they would denounce acts of violence.
"It's obvious that anyone would denounce something as heinous and as tragic as that incident. The fact that that question is even being raised makes me wonder why it is being raised."
He added that he felt the "premise" around the question was racist.
In an emailed response, Milewski said the questioning that Singh finds offensive never happened.
"Nobody asked him to condemn the Air India bombing. Instead, he was asked whether it was '"appropriate' to celebrate Canada's worst mass-murderer with 'martyr' posters. He declined to answer then and declines to say now whether the posters should come down because, 'I'm not here to tell what a community should or shouldn't do.'"
FTR, what he calls "offensive" never happened. He was not asked to condemn the bombing. Only the veneration of the bomber. On that, silence.
— Terry Milewski (@CBCTerry) October 16, 2017
During his press conference, Singh declined to say whether he personally supports an independent state for Sikhs.
"It's a choice of the people in the community, so it is not [up to] me to determine."
Describing himself as a "human rights champion," Singh said he supports the right of self-determination and "the peaceful exercise of that right."
"So whether it is in Punjab, for the people of Punjab, or whether it is in Catalonia, for the people of that region, whether it is in Basque, wherever that is, whether it is in Quebec, it's a basic right. Everyone should be able to do that."
Blogs from HuffPost Canada:
Singh spoke with reporters after addressing a crowd of approximately 450 New Democrats gathered in an Ottawa convention hall to celebrate their new leader and project momentum as he heads off on a six-week cross-country tour, from St. John's to Victoria.
He is scheduled to speak at NDP conventions in Regina later this month and then B.C. in November.
Describing his tour, Singh said he is a "high-risk, high-reward" candidate who will be pursuing voters in suburban areas of the country with a message of progressive politics.
The NDP leader said he is on a two-year campaign to win the next election in 2019.
"They are fundamentally important to building a coalition of folks to form government," he said of the vote-rich areas. The NDP leader said he is on a two-year campaign to win the next election in 2019.
During his 20-minute speech, he spoke of the Liberal government and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as a party and person who cannot be trusted, who are out to privatize public infrastructure assets and to look out for the very rich while claiming to work for the middle class.
While the 38-year-old new leader is charismatic, some have expressed doubt that he can carry his party into government in such a short time.
"If this was 2016, I think we could have. I think we're pushing it to say 2019," said Barbara Zarboni, president of the Ottawa–Orleans riding association.
But others suggested that if anyone call pull off the feat, it is Singh.
"I never voted until I met Jagmeet, because I never thought it was worth it. You know? He is transformational, really," said Mandeep Singh, who has been volunteering for Singh since his last provincial run in 2014.
The NDP leader's skill in connecting with people could propel him to government in 2019, he added, comparing him to former U.S. president Barack Obama. "I think Jagmeet is going to do it. I really truly believe that."
Singh has yet to quit his current job as an Ontario MPP for Bramalea–Gore–Malton. He said he expects to do so in the coming weeks.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
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I think what I'm getting at though, is that the current idea of "work" for sustainability doesn't resonate very well for me. A recent TED talk I watched said that 60% of people didn't enjoy their jobs; and of those, IIRC 30% hated their jobs. That's a very large portion of the population that spend the majority of their lives doing something that they do not like. We can talk about "choices" and opportunities all day, but that's just the reality of the situation right now (even with opportunities given). The reason I'm both excited and terrified of AI is that I'm hoping it'll free up human capital to allow us to become unshackled to this type of lifestyle, but only if we apply it properly.
Have you ever asked yourself 'what is wealth? What is poverty?'
Wealth and poverty are not actually measured by income. Though many like to think of it as being that two dimensional.
These are actually states of mind.
If you look at someone living on the poverty line in Canada, they would actually be considered living in conditions of great wealth by Nigerian standards.
Or if you look at conditions of poverty in the 1930's, they were drastically worse than what we consider poverty today.
Of course, the same can be said of wealth. A person living in great wealth in a country with a very low GDP would be thought of as living in poverty in a more wealthy country.
It is all relative to our direct environment and what we've become accustomed to. It is all in our minds.
When you see immigrants come to Canada from war torn, poor countries. Countries where some could only wish to have a job. Any job. How do you think they feel about their job here? Do you think they are dissatisfied? Do they hate their job?
I'm reminded of a brilliant quote that really captures the essence of what I mean.
"The richest ones are not those who have the most, but those who need the least"
From what I gather, you believe the issue is simple; if people don't like their job, rid them of that job. If people need/want money, give them money.
And I believe the issue is as complex as human beings themselves.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Have you ever asked yourself 'what is wealth? What is poverty?'
Wealth and poverty are not actually measured by income. Though many like to think of it as being that two dimensional.
These are actually states of mind.
If you look at someone living on the poverty line in Canada, they would actually be considered living in conditions of great wealth by Nigerian standards.
Or if you look at conditions of poverty in the 1930's, they were drastically worse than what we consider poverty today.
Of course, the same can be said of wealth. A person living in great wealth in a country with a very low GDP would be thought of as living in poverty in a more wealthy country.
It is all relative to our direct environment and what we've become accustomed to. It is all in our minds.
When you see immigrants come to Canada from war torn, poor countries. Countries where some could only wish to have a job. Any job. How do you think they feel about their job here? Do you think they are dissatisfied? Do they hate their job?
I'm reminded of a brilliant quote that really captures the essence of what I mean.
"The richest ones are not those who have the most, but those who need the least"
From what I gather, you believe the issue is simple; if people don't like their job, rid them of that job. If people need/want money, give them money.
And I believe the issue is as complex as human beings themselves.
Everything is indeed relative. Sure, we can compare ourselves to Nigeria and pat ourselves on the back and say hey good job. But the question is, should we? We should always strive to be better, and not compare ourselves to worse. If that was the case, we will stop working to innovate and improve and just say "we're already better off than a decade ago, this is good enough!"
But it's never good enough, and it shouldn't. In my opinion, the whole point of life is to maximize the human experience. Our current framework of "jobs" don't provide the same sense of satisfaction that it used to. And it very well might use to provide satisfaction to previous generations; but it doesn't now. That's why we need to try to find ways to fix it. And again, circling back, a lot of jobs simply won't exist.
Jagmeet Singh uses his race card early in the game:
Jagmeet Singh Suggests CBC's Insistent Questioning About Alleged Terrorist Was Racist
"The fact that this is something that I have to say is troublesome."
This guy kept asking him to condemn the actions of some members of his race/religion regarding an event that happened when he was 5 years old. Some see the alleged bomber as innocent and have posters of him. His response was that he condemns any and all violence, which wasn't good enough for the reporter.
He's only being questioned on this because of his race and religion.
Our current framework of "jobs" don't provide the same sense of satisfaction that it used to. And it very well might use to provide satisfaction to previous generations; but it doesn't now. That's why we need to try to find ways to fix it
Ok but why is there a lack of satisfaction? The jobs didn't get worse. So why have the people changed?
Isn't understanding the answer to that question more important than pacifying the people?
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
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This guy kept asking him to condemn the actions of some members of his race/religion regarding an event that happened when he was 5 years old. Some see the alleged bomber as innocent and have posters of him. His response was that he condemns any and all violence, which wasn't good enough for the reporter.
He's only being questioned on this because of his race and religion.
Well firstly, it's not racist because sykh isn't a race.
Secondly, people parading with posters of the alleged weren't doing so because they thought he was innocent.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Well firstly, it's not racist because sykh isn't a race.
Secondly, people parading with posters of the alleged weren't doing so because they thought he was innocent.
Ah, I didn't realize that Singh had no race. My bad.
And, obviously, these raceless people who have posters, I mean, every politician out there has had the same repeated questions asked to them in every interview, right? And no answer they gave was good enough for the reporter, right?
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If you're not intelligent enough to see what Mr. Singh is doing here, I'm not going to bother explaining
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If you're not intelligent enough to see what Mr. Singh is doing here, I'm not going to bother explaining
Those people he's being asked to condemn, I'm going to racistly assume, are probably votes that he is counting on. The reporting is trying to force him to commit political suicide.
But. if he wasn't an Indian guy, nobody would be asking him this question
Oh ffs, I'm sick of seeing this dog whistle from closet racists such as yourself.
"Chinese are all scammers"
"I'm not racist cause China isn't a race!"
"Muslims are all terrorists"
"Muslims aren't a race!"
and wtf is "sykh"?
i don't recall making any stereotypical blanket statements about race.
but thanks for passing judgment
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
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-Norm Franz
Those people he's being asked to condemn, I'm going to racistly assume, are probably votes that he is counting on. The reporting is trying to force him to commit political suicide.
But. if he wasn't an Indian guy, nobody would be asking him this question
the reporter asked a question regarding a faction of sikhs who believe in the separatist movement, and consider parmar a hero for his alleged terrorist attack.
and the only discourse of mr. singh is to cry 'racist', because the question made him uncomfortable.
i guess softball is the only sport allowed when it comes to identity politics
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
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Andrew Scheers father is a deacon of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Ottawa. The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Ottawa paid tens of thousands of dollars to keep children who where abused quiet and not go to the police.
Maybe someone should ask Scheer about that and also ask if he denounces the Roman Catholic church, a church that systematically abused tens of thousands of children and then tried to cover it up.
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Don't forget to ask newly re-elected Naheed Nenshi about his thoughts on ISIS. It's not racist to do so, cause Muslims ain't a race!!
OT, but Calgary's municipal elections are going to go down along with the 2013 BC provincial election, Brexit and the 2014 Ontario election as the archetype of political polls being mistaken. I've always wondered how elections in France always get it so consistently right when polling in Anglophone countries is full of endless fails.
^ I didn't follow the Calgary election closely. What were the polling numbers?
Polls consistently showed Bill Smith with a double digit percentage point lead over Nenshi, up to election day. The biggest lead gave Smith nearly half of all voters (Smith 48%, Nenshi 31%, Chabot 6%, 13% undecided) and a 36-point lead among the 18-34 vote. The final tally was Nenshi 51.41%, Smith 43.73%, Chabot 3.08%
Andrew Scheers father is a deacon of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Ottawa. The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Ottawa paid tens of thousands of dollars to keep children who where abused quiet and not go to the police.
Maybe someone should ask Scheer about that and also ask if he denounces the Roman Catholic church, a church that systematically abused tens of thousands of children and then tried to cover it up.
No one asked Singh to denounce Sikhism.
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Don't forget to ask newly re-elected Naheed Nenshi about his thoughts on ISIS. It's not racist to do so, cause Muslims ain't a race!!
I wonder how difficult it would be for him to denounce ISIS if he were asked.
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