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They can't? Cost of goods is going to increase regardless of any government policy. Once again it just comes down to basic economics and to a more massively simplified degree supply and demand.
So the complaint is that they're giving us back money they took from us. Where else would that money come from if not from us?
You got it right. Gas prices are just the leading precursor to all prices because it affects so many swaths of the pricing in everyday life. The earlier we recognize and accept this, the better you can adjust and adapt to the changes. Cold hard truth is government isn't going to be able to do jack-all to prevent prices from going up, and blaming party A or party B is doing yourself a disservice by trying to lay blame to any certain individual or organization. Best case government scenario in a supply constrained scenario like this, is that the people in power aren't abusing power and being corrupt as fuck to line their own pockets ( plenty of examples around the world where this happens on a daily basis, and crisises only exacerbate the rate of pilfering )
There is nothing they can effectively do short of inventing a time machine and preventing certain things from occuring. Such is the global intertwined economy. Pepper your anuses everyone.
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03-25-2022, 03:44 PM
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Hmmm. Can someone tell me why Albertans are getting temporary relief from their provincial gas tax AND an electricity rebate from their government?
Why is our provincial government not enacting similar measures to deal with gas price increases? https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-...ices-1.5809018
The Alberta government will stop collecting its fuel tax at the start of April and plans to offer a $150 electricity rebate in an effort to help Albertans deal with rapidly rising fuel and energy costs.
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney made the announcement on Monday, calling it a “bold decision” that gives “real relief.”
“This is a fiscally responsible measure that will only provide this relief if, in fact, the province is generating significantly additional revenues, Kenney said.
The provincial gas tax amounts to 13 cents per litre of gasoline and diesel and would not be collected as long as the cost of West Texas Intermediate remains above US $90
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03-25-2022, 03:48 PM
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You want to fight rising prices?
Leave your company and get a new job and/or find ways to increase your income.
If you're halfway competent at what you do and can put two sentences together in an interview, companies are throwing money at talent. It's the best job market in a generation. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inf...e%20COVID%2D19.
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03-25-2022, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pastarocket  Hmmm. Can someone tell me why Albertans are getting temporary relief from their provincial gas tax AND an electricity rebate from their government?
From your previous point:
The point that I am making is that this government, heck many governments, just give voters money in the form of rebates from one hand and take money back from you with another hand. | I'm confused. Are we saying that Alberta is doing better because they're handing back MORE of their taxpayers money from one hand and taking it from another?
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03-25-2022, 03:51 PM
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03-25-2022, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tapioca You want to fight rising prices?
Leave your company and get a new job and/or find ways to increase your income.
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03-25-2022, 04:37 PM
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Giving a rebate to EV drivers is pretty retarded.
I surmise that the administrative work of confirming said rebate based on the type of vehicle was the barrier there (would've been more costly to apply a means based payment system as opposed to a blanket credit for all basic coverage carriers).
That's the only rationale I can think of there.
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03-25-2022, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mikemhg Giving a rebate to EV drivers is pretty retarded.
I surmise that the administrative work of confirming said rebate based on the type of vehicle was the barrier there (would've been more costly to apply a means based payment system as opposed to a blanket credit for all basic coverage carriers).
That's the only rationale I can think of there. | Yep, if they work to exclude a certain subset. The savings might well be eaten up entirely up just by the administrative work to do so.
Then when something slips through the cracks, and you know there's going to be the one that slips through... They'll go crying to the news about how stupid they drive a EV and got a cheque anyways and ICBC are criminals for giving them money mistakenly or something.
Also the complainers from the EV drivers that say they deserve a rebate as well because they pay ICBC insurance just like the rest of the population!
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03-25-2022, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mikemhg Giving a rebate to EV drivers is pretty retarded.
I surmise that the administrative work of confirming said rebate based on the type of vehicle was the barrier there (would've been more costly to apply a means based payment system as opposed to a blanket credit for all basic coverage carriers).
That's the only rationale I can think of there. | I agree, probably too much administrative work. But I am stunned that they aren’t doing it - how can ICBC not know the make and model of your car? It’s not like there are hundreds of EV models out there, is there?
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03-25-2022, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pastarocket Hmmm. Can someone tell me why Albertans are getting temporary relief from their provincial gas tax AND an electricity rebate from their government? | Bcos Jason Kenney knows he messed up BAD during COVID, so he is doing whatever he can to please Alberta voters?
Disclaimer -- I have a decidedly biased view towards Kenney.
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03-25-2022, 06:06 PM
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Putting my computer programmer hat on, if ICBC has any semblance of a modern relational database system to track their insurance policies (hint -- they have to), it should be dead easy to script out the additional programming logic that will assign the appropriate rebate amount based on the vehicle's fuel type. Fuel type is something that ICBC policies already track, so the data should already be there. I can't imagine how it would take more than a few hours to write that programming code up.
Of course, that's something an ICBC database programmer would know. The thought may not have crossed policy makers' minds since they are not the workers implementing this, or they might have decided against it of whatever reason. But at the implementation level, it is really, *REALLY* easy to do. Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemhg Giving a rebate to EV drivers is pretty retarded.
I surmise that the administrative work of confirming said rebate based on the type of vehicle was the barrier there (would've been more costly to apply a means based payment system as opposed to a blanket credit for all basic coverage carriers).
That's the only rationale I can think of there. | | |
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03-25-2022, 06:16 PM
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If only government cared as much about housing prices as they do about gas prices....
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03-25-2022, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tapioca You want to fight rising prices?
Leave your company and get a new job and/or find ways to increase your income.
If you're halfway competent at what you do and can put two sentences together in an interview, companies are throwing money at talent. It's the best job market in a generation. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inf...e%20COVID%2D19. | Get rich. Let everyone else perish. Got it
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03-25-2022, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Traum Putting my computer programmer hat on, if ICBC has any semblance of a modern relational database system to track their insurance policies (hint -- they have to), it should be dead easy to script out the additional programming logic that will assign the appropriate rebate amount based on the vehicle's fuel type. Fuel type is something that ICBC policies already track, so the data should already be there. I can't imagine how it would take more than a few hours to write that programming code up.
Of course, that's something an ICBC database programmer would know. The thought may not have crossed policy makers' minds since they are not the workers implementing this, or they might have decided against it of whatever reason. But at the implementation level, it is really, *REALLY* easy to do. | The ones making the decisions probably didn't even bother asking the PM's, let alone the devs. If they work in waterfall, that "project" might have taken months when instead they can just do a blanket handout now. Or they just want to appeal to everyone, so EV owners aren't left out  | |
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03-27-2022, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sonick To echo some of the above, the point is relieving the DIFFERENCE in the gas price increase, not to pay for tanks of gas.
Assuming we are accounting for a 10 cent premium per litre (e.g. 1.90/l to 2.00/lr), assuming an avg tank is 50 litres, thats $5 per fill-up premium. $110 would cover more than 20 fill-ups which I think is more than reasonable.
Even if you double the price difference to 20 cents (e.g. 1.80/l to 2.00/l) thats 10 fill-ups it covers, which is 5 months assuming bi-weekly fill-ups.
I am fine with this, and expected WAY less from the gov't. | I was waiting for someone to point out the math for this to everyone complaining that this "won't cover a single tank of gas!"
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03-28-2022, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sonick To echo some of the above, the point is relieving the DIFFERENCE in the gas price increase, not to pay for tanks of gas.
Assuming we are accounting for a 10 cent premium per litre (e.g. 1.90/l to 2.00/lr), assuming an avg tank is 50 litres, thats $5 per fill-up premium. $110 would cover more than 20 fill-ups which I think is more than reasonable.
Even if you double the price difference to 20 cents (e.g. 1.80/l to 2.00/l) thats 10 fill-ups it covers, which is 5 months assuming bi-weekly fill-ups.
I am fine with this, and expected WAY less from the gov't. | ^This.
I'm really surprised that the general population (and a lot of people on here apparently) can't seem to figure out this math. I thought it would be common sense. Nobody ever said they are paying for all your tanks of gas, only trying to subsidize for the difference.
With that being said, depending on how long gas prices stay this high for, $110 may or may not be enough. Overall I'm satisfied that there's at least something.
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03-28-2022, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xXSupa ^This.
I'm really surprised that the general population (and a lot of people on here apparently) can't seem to figure out this math. I thought it would be common sense. Nobody ever said they are paying for all your tanks of gas, only trying to subsidize for the difference.. | We wouldn't have so many problems if regular ppl understood basic financial math.
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03-28-2022, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoFire We wouldn't have so many problems if regular ppl understood basic financial math. | Not even financial math, just basic fucking math.
"I drove an extra 50km to save 8 cents on gas!!"
Also, off topic, but this is a story that I will carry to my death - I was at a gas station, and bill came out to $5.10...so I give cashier $10, and a dime. She looks at me and goes "uh, you don't need to give me that dime". I'm like wtf, it's so you can just give me a $5 bill back, instead of counting $4.90 in change. And she's adamant that she can't take the dime, I'm 'paying extra'. I try one more time before giving up and taking the $4.90 in change.
In hindsight I should have taken the $4.90, added my dime, and asked for a $5 bill.
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Reminds me of the time I went to the Burrard BMO and asked for "eighteen hundred in hundreds" and she asked me how many bills I wanted 
She was blonde too but shirley no correlation
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Originally Posted by inv4zn Not even financial math, just basic fucking math.
"I drove an extra 50km to save 8 cents on gas!!"
Also, off topic, but this is a story that I will carry to my death - I was at a gas station, and bill came out to $5.10...so I give cashier $10, and a dime. She looks at me and goes "uh, you don't need to give me that dime". I'm like wtf, it's so you can just give me a $5 bill back, instead of counting $4.90 in change. And she's adamant that she can't take the dime, I'm 'paying extra'. I try one more time before giving up and taking the $4.90 in change.
In hindsight I should have taken the $4.90, added my dime, and asked for a $5 bill. | People under-30 have no fucking idea how to count change or do math in their heads - you may has well given her a severed sheep's head. This coupled with the amount of Immigrants/Internationals working in service only since the Pandemic started I don't even bother with coins anymore. Tried giving a random cashier downtown $1.35 including dimes and nickels I swear they told me they never seen these things before.
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03-29-2022, 09:16 AM
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03-29-2022, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CivicBlues People under-30 have no fucking idea how to count change or do math in their heads - you may has well given her a severed sheep's head. This coupled with the amount of Immigrants/Internationals working in service only since the Pandemic started I don't even bother with coins anymore. Tried giving a random cashier downtown $1.35 including dimes and nickels I swear they told me they never seen these things before. | I don't think it's fair to group all people under 30 into one category. It really doesn't have much to do with age, and more with education level and IQ
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03-29-2022, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xXSupa I don't think it's fair to group all people under 30 into one category. It really doesn't have much to do with age, and more with education level and IQ | Really?
It totally has to do experience… which is basically age. Anyone under a certain age has zero experience with cash. A world of credit/debit and cell phones.
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Math is not a western world strong suit. I remember when I was in high school and students that came from Asia would skip math class but would still get 90+ percent on their exams. When I ask them, they respond we learn this in elementary lol.
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Originally Posted by hud 91gt Really?
It totally has to do experience… which is basically age. Anyone under a certain age has zero experience with cash. A world of credit/debit and cell phones. | Experience can be increased with age but experience doesn't necessarily equal age. If someone is educated in the matter they can be experienced even at a young age. Just because a person is older doesn't make them smarter either. I've seen lots of dumb people over 30.
Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but I have no problem doing basic financial math, and had no problem even in my early 20s.
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