Metro Vancouver gas prices could hit $1.54 a litre by the weekend: GasBuddy

[hud 91gt]

I thought it was pretty clear in the experience I was talking about. Some people are good at mental math naturally… yes. Most need that monetary handling experience. It’s like the next step after showing your 3 year old 2 toys. “One fish, and one more fish equals 2 fish.”

[pastarocket]

An article in the Daily Shit about gas stations and electric chargers.

…Interesting.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...j33T5okgTY8uTE


A proposed policy by City of Vancouver staff would enact significantly higher fees on gas stations and commercial parking lots, such as parkades, if they do not install electric-battery charging equipment at their facilities starting in the middle of this decade.


To encourage these businesses to install charging equipment, their municipal business license fee would be set at $10,000 annually if they do not make charging available starting in 2025.

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[JDMDreams]

I was in n Van and a petrol Canada there had fast chargers, pretty cool, there was an id4 charging, but they don't have the plug for Tesla and the Tesla there had the big adaptor

[GLOW]

wonder what the requirements will be, if it's that vague, run 1 gfci 120v plug call it a day

[bcrdukes]

Petro Canada will be betting big on building out an electrical infrastructure to support the EV market.

[320icar]

As long as the station has the space for a few extra spots, why not? Most stations have Tim Hortons or food things connected. And lord knows when you have a wife and kids that the bathroom break is already a good 20 minutes, on a quick charger that’s a good % of battery

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

An article in the Daily Shit about gas stations and electric chargers.

…Interesting.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...j33T5okgTY8uTE


A proposed policy by City of Vancouver staff would enact significantly higher fees on gas stations and commercial parking lots, such as parkades, if they do not install electric-battery charging equipment at their facilities starting in the middle of this decade.


To encourage these businesses to install charging equipment, their municipal business license fee would be set at $10,000 annually if they do not make charging available starting in 2025.

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If the stations have space its a no brainier but some do not and also don't have the power available. In the past during hot days in the summer we have had all out power go out because we tripped the main breaker. My parents only charge the Tesla and Porsche hybrid at 120v.

[Hehe]

I think for CoV to be requiring EV charging for stations is a good initiative to move toward a sustainable future.

Nevertheless, it almost seems to me another one of those "yeah, I think that's a good idea" while ignoring what it actually means IRL.

If they require DC fast charging of anything more than 25kwh, that requires 3 phase power. Now, the upgrade costs an arm and leg, but worse yet, BCHydro is a bitch if you ever ask them about 3 phase power unless you are a farm or industrial.

I've been trying to get 3 phase power on a project that I'm working on, and let's just say it's not as simple as calling BC Hydro and tell them you are looking to do an upgrade. There's design involved, study, codes (electrical AND BCHydro's own liking), etc.

Should they put this into a mandatory requirement, I hope they work something out with BC Hydro that makes getting 3 phase power a bit easier. There's no need for so much approval process, bordering buraucratical about who gets what (my project's neighbour has a little shop with 3 phase, and somehow that's of my concern as well when doing MY application )

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Hehe

I think for CoV to be requiring EV charging for stations is a good initiative to move toward a sustainable future.

Nevertheless, it almost seems to me another one of those "yeah, I think that's a good idea" while ignoring what it actually means IRL.

If they require DC fast charging of anything more than 25kwh, that requires 3 phase power. Now, the upgrade costs an arm and leg, but worse yet, BCHydro is a bitch if you ever ask them about 3 phase power unless you are a farm or industrial.

I've been trying to get 3 phase power on a project that I'm working on, and let's just say it's not as simple as calling BC Hydro and tell them you are looking to do an upgrade. There's design involved, study, codes (electrical AND BCHydro's own liking), etc.

Should they put this into a mandatory requirement, I hope they work something out with BC Hydro that makes getting 3 phase power a bit easier. There's no need for so much approval process, bordering buraucratical about who gets what (my project's neighbour has a little shop with 3 phase, and somehow that's of my concern as well when doing MY application )

Can you give me a quick simple run down of what 3 phase power is and what it entails?


On a different note, when seeing 1.899 on a gas station sign means it's cheap. What a life we are in.

[Traum]

Once again, I'd say CoV is just virtue signaling again without taking any practical issues into consideration. But hey, isn't that the norm for the current POS CoV government? Stewart and his group of Councilors are absolutely the biggest idiots the City has ever seen.

In addition to the power (supply) issue that has already been mentioned, why would anyone think that a gas station is a good place to install EV chargers? Anyone with any common sense or rudimentary understanding of how EVs and charging works knows that charging takes time -- it makes me wonder whether the City Hall idiots charge their cell phones. Gas stations would be the least appropriate place to install chargers. Shopping malls / plazas and street parking spaces are far more appropriate locations for charger installations. In particular, street parking spaces are absolutely the most appropriate and viable place in implement this initiative because city streets are under direct jurisdiction and management by City Hall, meaning they are the boss to do whatever they like -- pending public consultations where appropriate, of course. But hey, doing street parking installation of EV chargers would mean City Hall would actually have to do their own work, and it is far easier to just pass the bucket of responsibility to private business owners -- esp when there are significant costs involved.

Can't wait to get rid of every single damn person at the Cov gov in the October election.

[underscore]

I guess the assumption is that as gas use drops and EV use increases the chargers will slowly take over the gas stations, but it still seems odd to put them there now. Why direct traffic to a place that's already busy?

Not to mention aren't EV's the most dangerous (aside from in an accident) when charging, particularly fast charging? Wouldn't you want that as far away from a bunch of open fuel as possible?

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Traum

Once again, I'd say CoV is just virtue signaling again without taking any practical issues into consideration. But hey, isn't that the norm for the current POS CoV government? Stewart and his group of Councilors are absolutely the biggest idiots the City has ever seen.

In addition to the power (supply) issue that has already been mentioned, why would anyone think that a gas station is a good place to install EV chargers? Anyone with any common sense or rudimentary understanding of how EVs and charging works knows that charging takes time -- it makes me wonder whether the City Hall idiots charge their cell phones. Gas stations would be the least appropriate place to install chargers. Shopping malls / plazas and street parking spaces are far more appropriate locations for charger installations. In particular, street parking spaces are absolutely the most appropriate and viable place in implement this initiative because city streets are under direct jurisdiction and management by City Hall, meaning they are the boss to do whatever they like -- pending public consultations where appropriate, of course. But hey, doing street parking installation of EV chargers would mean City Hall would actually have to do their own work, and it is far easier to just pass the bucket of responsibility to private business owners -- esp when there are significant costs involved.

Can't wait to get rid of every single damn person at the Cov gov in the October election.

And then elect in a new council of idiots

[JDMDreams]

Honestly I think most people can live off 120v, unless you drive more than 100 km a day, have experienced two family's ev daily experience over the last year. Over 45000 km traveled between two EVs. Charging with 120v is totally fine, maybe the occasional 240v charge if we drove extra that week. But that's like once or twice a month. Plus you get to laugh at the pick up drivers trying to floor it to pass you.

[68style]

It's almost a guarantee now in Richmond that if you're sitting at a light in the left lane and there's a parked car up ahead in the right lane, a Tesla will come creeping up next to you ready to blast off

[Simplex123]

Originally Posted by Traum

In addition to the power (supply) issue that has already been mentioned, why would anyone think that a gas station is a good place to install EV chargers? Anyone with any common sense or rudimentary understanding of how EVs and charging works knows that charging takes time -- it makes me wonder whether the City Hall idiots charge their cell phones. Gas stations would be the least appropriate place to install chargers. Shopping malls / plazas and street parking spaces are far more appropriate locations for charger installations.

Their ask is quite half-assed I would say. They only require gas stations to supply a minimum of 50kW and parking lots of 60+ stalls, a min of 26.6kW (lots less than 60 are exempt). With a fee of only 10k and an average estimate of 7-8 years to recoup their $100-136k investment into charging stations, I would think that a big chunk of business owners are just going to eat that $10k fine for the first few years until closer to 2030 when the legacy car manufacturers are more or less fully on EVs.

Logistically for the City, street parking would only make sense off the main streets as parking is already quite limited, but that would only benefit the local residents of those inside streets. And like you mentioned, they would have to hire more bylaw officers to work those streets since assholes are definitely going to park there all day when they're either full or not even charging - making it not as feasible. It's much easier to offload that responsibility onto the gas station or parkade management.

Considering places where people frequent by car, it makes sense to me that they are targeting these two categories. As there are going to be more EV's on the road, they're going to be having less gas customers - and even those small stations may free up more spots for EV charging instead. Not that there are many malls/mid-sized plazas in Vancouver proper (can only count PC/Oakridge/City Square/Kingsgate for malls and King Ed/Champlain/Renfrew for plazas), but these guys would probably pony up the money themselves since EV charging attracts consumers - so there's no reason to introduce any fees to them at this point.

The City has already imposed new bylaws for new residential/commercial builds - and with anything the City owns, it will hopefully be funded by the fees that they will be be collecting from this.

[Traum]

Logistically for curbside charging, I think it'd make the most sense to install these street level chargers at places that already have street parking meters. If you do it that way, it doesn't necessarily take up additional parking space. L3 charging would certainly be fantastic if the electrical infrastructure at the location can support it, but even just L2 charging would be perfectly adequate since we're in the city. The idea is to make charge points prevalent so that people would no longer have range anxiety, and that would help boost adopt rates -- assuming EV supply can catch up to consumer demand, of course. But like you said, stepped up enforcement would be required to make sure people don't hog the spot.

In CoV at least, IMO the biggest obstacle for the transition into EVs is charging. We all know tons of people rely on overnight street parking at their residence, and there is often no way for those vehicles to access charging at home. IMO, the City has a responsibility to resolve this, but I just don't think they are actually interested in addressing these real life everyday problems that residents face. It is much easier to just pass the responsibility off, or to blanket ban natural gas use in all new builds.

Originally Posted by Simplex123

Logistically for the City, street parking would only make sense off the main streets as parking is already quite limited, but that would only benefit the local residents of those inside streets. And like you mentioned, they would have to hire more bylaw officers to work those streets since assholes are definitely going to park there all day when they're either full or not even charging - making it not as feasible. It's much easier to offload that responsibility onto the gas station or parkade management.

Considering places where people frequent by car, it makes sense to me that they are targeting these two categories. As there are going to be more EV's on the road, they're going to be having less gas customers - and even those small stations may free up more spots for EV charging instead. Not that there are many malls/mid-sized plazas in Vancouver proper (can only count PC/Oakridge/City Square/Kingsgate for malls and King Ed/Champlain/Renfrew for plazas), but these guys would probably pony up the money themselves since EV charging attracts consumers - so there's no reason to introduce any fees to them at this point.

The City has already imposed new bylaws for new residential/commercial builds - and with anything the City owns, it will hopefully be funded by the fees that they will be be collecting from this.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

Can you give me a quick simple run down of what 3 phase power is and what it entails?


On a different note, when seeing 1.899 on a gas station sign means it's cheap. What a life we are in.

3 phase basically gives you more power (maximum draw at any single time) with added consistency/stability of power as it load balances on separate phase, which are crucial when you are running heavy tools with big electrical motors that can't afford to skip a beat.

It's not usually for a residential setting unless you have some serious workshop that draws huge powers. However, just about any industrial and farm with warmhouse would have 3phase power in them, so they aren't exactly rare.

It's just BC Hydro being a bitch when one tries to request a lot of power, which I personally don't understand. They are in business to sell power, and yet, it almost seems that they are afraid that one requests too much power.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Hehe

3 phase basically gives you more power (maximum draw at any single time) with added consistency/stability of power as it load balances on separate phase, which are crucial when you are running heavy tools with big electrical motors that can't afford to skip a beat.

It's not usually for a residential setting unless you have some serious workshop that draws huge powers. However, just about any industrial and farm with warmhouse would have 3phase power in them, so they aren't exactly rare.

It's just BC Hydro being a bitch when one tries to request a lot of power, which I personally don't understand. They are in business to sell power, and yet, it almost seems that they are afraid that one requests too much power.

From what I understand, most residential areas have a limited bandwidth for power, a 3 phase would probably have too much potential draw and cause brown out states for the rest of the block? With the increasing popularity of EVs there's already news of blown transformers all the time and power grids getting upgraded as things blow up.

[underscore]

Yeah their systems can only supply so much before it needs to have the capacity increased. That's not quick to do, and I highly doubt they'd try to downgrade someone so I imagine they're cautious about what they approve. It's also not cheap.

[Acura604]

2.16/L REG ! ! ! prepare your butthole.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/0...cord-forecast/

Metro Vancouver drivers are bracing themselves for yet another spike in gas prices, with the potential for records to break once again.

According to En-Pro International chief petroleum analyst Roger McKnight, the price at the pump for a litre of regular could rise as much as five cents into Friday morning, with highs hitting $2.16.


It’s not just Metro Vancouver that’s expecting to see a bump in prices either — the Greater Toronto Area is also set to potentially see a rise into record territory, with Enpro preparing people to expect a four-cent increase to kick off the weekend.

[MarkyMark]

They need to up the card payments to over $200 if I'm going to get bent over it would be nice to do it in one transaction.

[JDMDreams]

Meh, according to gas buddy pr is $1.26 us per l so x 1.3 is $1.65 per liter

[TOS'd]

Originally Posted by Acura604

It’s not just Metro Vancouver that’s expecting to see a bump in prices either — the Greater Toronto Area is also set to potentially see a rise into record territory, with Enpro preparing people to expect a four-cent increase to kick off the weekend.

Saw 191.9 last night in GTA.

[Alpine]

Record profits for Shell!

[Traum]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Meh, according to gas buddy pr is $1.26 us per l so x 1.3 is $1.65 per liter

Based on past experience, PR just sets their gas prices to be 20 - 25¢/L cheaper than Lower Mainland gas. So when our prices go up tomorrow, I'm sure PR's gas prices will just follow.