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Manic! 10-10-2020 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 9002207)
Can't speak to those other twelve suspects, but man you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between this Caserta fellow and your average BLM/antifa protester

https://youtu.be/ZlBQ9uD7nW4

But BLM/Antifa is funded by Soros.

68style 10-10-2020 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9002184)
2000 people where supose to show up at candice coon owens blexit event at the whitehose. Olny around 500 showed up. Even worse most had there airfair and hotel paid for. I wonder where she got the money.

Lol did they stay at a Trump owned hotel? It wouldn’t surprise me, he doesn’t even try the slightest bit to hide it anymore

Manic! 10-11-2020 11:51 AM

The fact they wanted 2000 people but got less than 500 even when paying them shows how bad the trump campain is doing. Obama whould have had no problem packing the event.

Patriot rally in Denver. guy sprays a security gaurd working for a TV station then gets shot by security guard and dies.

https://i.redd.it/3endrbqtsds51.jpg

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/guard-i...ests-1.5141405

bcedhk 10-11-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9002246)
The fact they wanted 2000 people but got less than 500 even when paying them shows how bad the trump campain is doing. Obama whould have had no problem packing the event.

Patriot rally in Denver. guy sprays a security gaurd working for a TV station then gets shot by security guard and dies.

https://i.redd.it/3endrbqtsds51.jpg

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/guard-i...ests-1.5141405

I wonder if Kyle Rittenhouse's fan group will defend the security guard's action?

Manic! 10-11-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bcedhk (Post 9002252)
I wonder if Kyle Rittenhouse's fan group will defend the security guard's action?

They claiming he BLM put police confirmed he is a security guard.

320icar 10-11-2020 01:20 PM

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

StylinRed 10-11-2020 01:49 PM

I dunno if being pepper sprayed is worthy of being shot, but it's America, the land of crazy

Odd though that more ppl are defending the hired security than that kid who was being attacked, with a gun too, and fired in self defense

Also interesting that the police arrested the security guard, but let that kid go home

But again America is full of nuts, and whether Trump wins or loses I don't see that craziness going away

westopher 10-11-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 9002260)
I dunno if being pepper sprayed is worthy of being shot, but it's America, the land of crazy

Odd though that more ppl are defending the hired security than that kid who was being attacked, with a gun too, and fired in self defense

Well it’s the security guards job to be there. If he just showed up there with a gun for no reason and shot two other people it’s pretty far off this situation.
I still think the escalation of force here though is ridiculous.

SkinnyPupp 10-11-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 9002260)

Odd though that more ppl are defending the hired security than that kid who was being attacked, with a gun too, and fired in self defense

Do you mean that or are you being obtuse?

StylinRed 10-11-2020 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9002261)
Well it’s the security guards job to be there. If he just showed up there with a gun for no reason and shot two other people it’s pretty far off this situation.
I still think the escalation of force here though is ridiculous.

The kid had a right to be at the protests too though, different situations, but similar

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9002264)
Do you mean that or are you being obtuse?

Teehee :lol

westopher 10-11-2020 05:06 PM

He had a right to be there, but he didn’t have the right to carry an illegally obtained firearm to the protests.
There’s a very clear difference in the motives and situations. The only similarities are that someone was shot at a protest.

welfare 10-11-2020 07:05 PM

They say Biden is up on Trump among Latino voters in Florida at 58% with Trump at 32%

A 30,000 car caravan would seem to indicate otherwise.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mi/ar-BB19Ubq1

SkinnyPupp 10-11-2020 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 9002282)
They say Biden is up on Trump among Latino voters in Florida at 58% with Trump at 32%

A 30,000 car caravan would seem to indicate otherwise.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mi/ar-BB19Ubq1

Awesome

Manic! 10-11-2020 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 9002282)
They say Biden is up on Trump among Latino voters in Florida at 58% with Trump at 32%

A 30,000 car caravan would seem to indicate otherwise.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mi/ar-BB19Ubq1

5,809,000
Hispanics and Latinos in Florida

quasi 10-11-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9002246)

He won't do that again.

Bouncing Bettys 10-11-2020 07:44 PM


Manic! 10-11-2020 09:06 PM

Matthew Doloff did nothing wrong.

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/getty4.png

Colorado self-defense law allows people to use force to defend themselves or others when they reasonably believe it necessary to protect against imminent harm, and they use only the degree of force appropriate for the situation.

In some cases, this means you can use deadly force. You do not have to withdraw from an altercation before defending yourself. To raise your right to defend yourself, though, you cannot be the aggressor.

Bouncing Bettys 10-11-2020 09:45 PM

In the picture you posted, Doloff is advancing, attempting to disarm either Keltner's pepper spray or the gun under his vest. Keltner rightly swats him away and steps back. Someone aggressively tries to take your holstered weapon, your pepper spray, your phone, or any other property, you are going to instinctively try to stop that. Doloff seemingly angered by being swatted in the face, then draws his weapon. For whatever reason, my guess is frantic panic in knowing he is about to be shot, he uses the one weapon (non-lethal) he has in hand, and pepper sprays Doloff.

*Removed twitter link to a compiling of all the still images, as it depicts Keltner's death. Not sure how best to provide such evidence without posting in violation of rules or for decency.

**Here's a few frames leading up to the final exchange:

From the footage available, I don't see much of a self defence argument for Doloff.

Manic! 10-11-2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 9002295)
In the picture you posted, Doloff is advancing, attempting to disarm either Keltner's pepper spray or the gun under his vest. Keltner rightly swats him away and steps back. Someone aggressively tries to take your holstered weapon, your pepper spray, your phone, or any other property, you are going to instinctively try to stop that. Doloff seemingly angered by being swatted in the face, then draws his weapon. For whatever reason, my guess is frantic panic in knowing he is about to be shot, he uses the one weapon (non-lethal) he has in hand, and pepper sprays Doloff.

*Removed twitter link to all a compiling of all the still images as it depicts Keltner's death. Not sure how best to provide such evidence without posting in violation of rules or for decency.

**Here's a few frames leading up to the final exchange:
https://twitter.com/SomeSneakyB/stat...90086205698049

From the footage available, I don't see much of a self defence argument for Doloff.

I don't think I can post it but if you watch the video of the shooting he charges at the shooter after getting into a confrontation with another person who he pushed.

Manic! 10-11-2020 10:11 PM

He slaped him first

https://i.imgur.com/ZJPiD7D.mp4

But we are not laywers and america is fckd.

Bouncing Bettys 10-11-2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9002297)
I don't think I can post it but if you watch the video of the shooting he charges at the shooter after getting into a confrontation with another person who he pushed.

None of that changes the fact that Keltner stepped back from Doloff as Doloff draws his gun and points it at Keltner. Despite all of the altercations, Keltner never reaches for his gun. He clearly did not believe he was in lethal danger until it was too late. In a blink of an eye, all he had in hand was a non-lethal weapon to defend himself.

StylinRed 10-11-2020 10:54 PM

Well well how the turn tables

We need to increase our deterrents so that when the US goes to complete shit we can defend ourselves from them :lol

Manic! 10-11-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 9002299)
None of that changes the fact that Keltner stepped back from Doloff as Doloff draws his gun and points it at Keltner. Despite all of the altercations, Keltner never reaches for his gun. He clearly did not believe he was in lethal danger until it was too late. In a blink of an eye, all he had in hand was a non-lethal weapon to defend himself.

That's up to a judge or jury to decide. but there was no way of knowing if Keltner had a gun or not at the time of the shooting. Better safe than sorry is what gun owners say.

welfare 10-12-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9002284)
5,809,000
Hispanics and Latinos in Florida

Thanks for digging up those figures.
So you'd think with Biden being that far ahead of Trump in the polls, his campaign could muster up more than a 500 golf cart convoy :lol

How much faith do you have in these polls?

Manic! 10-12-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 9002328)
Thanks for digging up those figures.
So you'd think with Biden being that far ahead of Trump in the polls, his campaign could muster up more than a 500 golf cart convoy :lol

How much faith do you have in these polls?

trumps going to lose.

Biden supporters are to busy working to go to rallies. Fun fact majority of people who vote don't go to political events and wear close with candidates pictures on them.

Also this.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...246382830.html

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Thousands of people took to the streets of Miami on Saturday for what was billed as an Anti-Socialist and Anti-Communist Caravan to demand the liberation of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua and warn the United Sates about the dangers of socialism.

Organizers claimed that about 20,000 people took part in the car rally, a method used to prevent the spread of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19. After leaving the Magic City Casino area, the caravan headed to the Brigade 2506 monument and the Plaza de la Cubanidad on West Flagler Street.

The Patriotic Organizing Committee, made up of Cuban exile organizations such as the Brigade 2506 and the Directorio Democratico, said there was [U]no political-party involvement in the rally[/U], although the majority of the participants carried signs supporting President Donald Trump.
So it was not a trump rally it was a Anti-Socialist and Anti-Communist rally and not everyone there was a trump supporter.


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