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No one cares. Everyone is just sick and tired of trump.
So, just because you are tired of Trump, you are willing to paint an image for his challenger as an saint when he's in fact no better, if not, far shadier than Trump?
Where is the fucking logic?
And really guys... don't expect Mikey to reply to those specific questions... he's too opportunistic for that. He'd only reply when the trend is in his favor. When trend is questioning about him, he won't reply until the trend is in his favor again. Because he needs to maintain the perfect pristine saint image that left guys like him are the most caring and compassionate person out there and if you are not a lefty like him... you are the complete opposite.
So, just because you are tired of Trump, you are willing to paint an image for his challenger as an saint when he's in fact no better, if not, far shadier than Trump?
Where is the fucking logic?
And really guys... don't expect Mikey to reply to those specific questions... he's too opportunistic for that. He'd only reply when the trend is in his favor. When trend is questioning about him, he won't reply until the trend is in his favor again. Because he needs to maintain the perfect pristine saint image that left guys like him are the most caring and compassionate person out there and if you are not a lefty like him... you are the complete opposite.
far shadier LOL!!!. trump supporters don't care how crooked trump is. trump even said he could shoot someone and people would still vote for him. Why do you hold Biden voters to a higher standard?
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far shadier? that's a laugh dude. for someone who sometimes tries to paint himself as a centrist and not a trump supporter, you're really showing your bias now.
The difference is that I explained why with a set of logic.
Lefties only logic? As long it’s not Trump.
That’s not how to select a leader rationally. It’s called blinded and dare I say, if this whole emailgate blows further, it’s going to be sad for the lefties to believe that their supreme leader is doing all these craps.
The difference is that I explained why with a set of logic.
Lefties only logic? As long it’s not Trump.
That’s not how to select a leader rationally. It’s called blinded and dare I say, if this whole emailgate blows further, it’s going to be sad for the lefties to believe that their supreme leader is doing all these craps.
Yep keep supporting a racist.
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A Dutch security researcher says he accessed President Trump's @realDonaldTrump Twitter account last week by guessing his password: “maga2020!”.
Victor Gevers, a security researcher at the GDI Foundation and chair of the Dutch Institute for Vulnerability Disclosure, which finds and reports security vulnerabilities, told TechCrunch he guessed the president’s account password and was successful on the fifth attempt.
Sure I'll respond to this. Let me start by saying Joe Biden has never been my first choice, so forcing me to come in here and cape for him just isn't realistic in my opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter Biden never deserved a spot as a high ranking position for a Ukrainian firm, you'll never hear me argue against that.
As I've said before, his name carries value, a foreign company will happily pay a person with a name tied to the Vice President of the US to represent them without a second thought. The same way you would never have heard of Willow or Jaden Smith if they weren't the children of Will.
The thing is I can see nuance to all of this. You've heard of the term the lesser of two evils, I see Joe Biden as the representation of just that. I don't see the world as simply black and white as welfare or Hehe do, who can't hold their supported candidate to the fire for his obvious and rampant corruption. This isn't a zero sum argument, if you follow both Trump and Joe Biden's careers, the obvious levels of corruption and criminality are quite apparent when viewing Trump's history.
Do I think Joe Biden and his family have benefited from his place in government? Of course. There is a reason why the average senator at the bottom end is at least a millionaire. You don't acquire that type of wealth through only civil service. To decry Biden, and yet ignore Trump's criminality is what I find disingenuous. Joe Biden has been a public figure for damn a half century, if this is the most dirt you can pull on him, that's pretty weak in my opinion.
Now in terms of this story specifically, I cannot lay any judgement yet. I require more information, and it does not help that the only news sources reporting this story are rightwing in nature, there is a clear bias. As more information comes out, I will be happy to provide more of an opinion.
To me though, this election represents more than this story, it's what Trump represents not only as a person, but to culture in general, and the insidious parts of our society that he provides breath to.
It sounds like this business partner will be going in front of the house representatives, so we'll see how this unfolds.
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Originally Posted by GGnoRE
Genuinely curious to hear your perspective on this... is this still a negligible or acceptable amount of nepotism?
----------------- An e-mail to Hunter Biden's partner from a top Chinese official on July 26, 2017 shows the Chinese energy company CEFC proposed a $5 million "interest-free" loan to the Biden family "based on their trust on [Biden] family[.]"
Less than two weeks later, on August 8, 2017, $5 million was wired from a CEFC-affiliated investment vehicle to a Delaware LLC, which spent the next year transfering nearly $4.8 million directly to Hunter Biden's firm, according to Senate investigators
In a statement emailed to The Federalist and other news organizations, Tony Bobulinski, a former Biden partner, confirmed he was a recipient of an email published by the New York Post last week, dated May 13, 2017, showing Hunter Biden was offered a contract worth $3 million a year for “introductions alone.” The same email included an obscure note to setting aside 10 percent for “the big guy,” which Fox News reported was a reference for Joe Biden which has now been corroborated by Bobulinski.
“Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing,” wrote Bobulinsky, who was recruited to serve as the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings in partnership with the Chinese firm CEFC led by Ye Jianming by Hunter Biden.
A Senate report released last month revealed Ye and his associates held extensive ties with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Bobulinski also confirmed earlier New York Post reporting that Joe Biden had been lying when the Democratic candidate repeatedly denied having discussed business with his son, “or with anyone else.” Joe Biden even went as far as to fat-shame an Iowa voter for pressing the former vice president on the apparent conflicts of interest during a December town hall.
“I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business,” Bobulinski wrote. “I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.”
Bobulinski continued, saying the Chinese were interested less in healthy financial returns on investment than they were “political or influence investment.”
Bobulinski said he had been contacted by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and the Senate Finance Committee Wednesday afternoon and intends to produce the requested documents “in the immediate future.”
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Full statement by Tony Bobulinski, Hunter Biden's business partner
Spoiler!
My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.
This afternoon I received a request from the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs and the Senate Committee on Finance requesting all documents relating to my business affairs with the Biden family as well as various foreign entities and individuals. I have extensive relevant records and communications and I intend to produce those items to both Committees in the immediate future.
I am the grandson of a 37 year Army Intelligence officer, the son of a 20+ year career Naval Officer and the brother of a 28 year career Naval Flight Officer. I myself served our country for 4 years and left the Navy as LT Bobulinski. I held a high level security clearance and was an instructor and then CTO for Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. I take great pride in the time my family and I served this country. I am also not a political person. What few campaign contributions I have made in my life were to Democrats.
If the media and big tech companies had done their jobs over the past several weeks I would be irrelevant in this story. Given my long standing service and devotion to this great country, I could no longer allow my family’s name to be associated or tied to Russian disinformation or implied lies and false narratives dominating the media right now.
After leaving the military I became an institutional investor investing extensively around the world and on every continent. I have traveled to over 50 countries. I believe, hands down, we live in the greatest country in the world.
What I am outlining is fact. I know it is fact because I lived it. I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.
Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.
I realized the Chinese were not really focused on a healthy financial ROI. They were looking at this as a political or influence investment. Once I realized that Hunter wanted to use the company as his personal piggy bank by just taking money out of it as soon as it came from the Chinese, I took steps to prevent that from happening.
The Johnson Report connected some dots in a way that shocked me — it made me realize the Bidens had gone behind my back and gotten paid millions of dollars by the Chinese, even though they told me they hadn’t and wouldn’t do that to their partners.
I would ask the Biden family to address the American people and outline the facts so I can go back to being irrelevant — and so I am not put in a position to have to answer those questions for them.
I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.
To me though, this election represents more than this story, it's what Trump represents not only as a person, but to culture in general, and the insidious parts of our society that he provides breath to.
This is the key quote here. A vote for Biden is a vote AGAINST Trump.
I'll post this video if people want to hear more of what "lefties" think of Biden (and specifically she talks about the ones that are so far left they won't even vote for him). It's long and sometimes cringy humor but give it a chance. Someone was posting Jimmy Dore videos too, and it's important to know that not all "lefties" are "radical" looking for a revolution or something like that. And I know not all right wing people are idiots and morons, although as of now, you can't be a Trump supporter without being an idiot or a moron. There's no argument for it. Wait and see if the GOP cleans up their act in 4 years.
"I want to vote for Biden as much as I want to re-tile my bathroom. But sometimes things become so toxic and dangerous, we have no choice but to get our hands dirty"
Drink every time the moderator asks Biden a follow up question. You will be safe to drive home after the debate.
That's because he answers the question the first time.
trump claims he asked his accountants told him they pre-paid 10's of millions of dollars in taxes. 10's of millions of dollars left his bank account and he didn't know about it? Either he is lying or an idiot that does not know how to run a business.
__________________ Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Sure I'll respond to this. Let me start by saying Joe Biden has never been my first choice, so forcing me to come in here and cape for him just isn't realistic in my opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter Biden never deserved a spot as a high ranking position for a Ukrainian firm, you'll never hear me argue against that.
As I've said before, his name carries value, a foreign company will happily pay a person with a name tied to the Vice President of the US to represent them without a second thought. The same way you would never have heard of Willow or Jaden Smith if they weren't the children of Will.
The thing is I can see nuance to all of this. You've heard of the term the lesser of two evils, I see Joe Biden as the representation of just that. I don't see the world as simply black and white as welfare or Hehe do, who can't hold their supported candidate to the fire for his obvious and rampant corruption. This isn't a zero sum argument, if you follow both Trump and Joe Biden's careers, the obvious levels of corruption and criminality are quite apparent when viewing Trump's history.
Do I think Joe Biden and his family have benefited from his place in government? Of course. There is a reason why the average senator at the bottom end is at least a millionaire. You don't acquire that type of wealth through only civil service. To decry Biden, and yet ignore Trump's criminality is what I find disingenuous. Joe Biden has been a public figure for damn a half century, if this is the most dirt you can pull on him, that's pretty weak in my opinion.
Now in terms of this story specifically, I cannot lay any judgement yet. I require more information, and it does not help that the only news sources reporting this story are rightwing in nature, there is a clear bias. As more information comes out, I will be happy to provide more of an opinion.
To me though, this election represents more than this story, it's what Trump represents not only as a person, but to culture in general, and the insidious parts of our society that he provides breath to.
It sounds like this business partner will be going in front of the house representatives, so we'll see how this unfolds
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FYI, if you want to read further on Biden's connection to China, there is a deep investigative report released yesterday by Christopher Balding, Associate Professor at Peking University HSBC School of Business Shenzhen, China and also Bloomberg contributor. I believe this is as unbiased as you can probably get. Even if you are supporting Biden as a lesser of two evils, which I have no qualms about, I think this is important to know.
First, I did not write the report and I am not responsible for the report. I have gone over the report with a fine tooth comb and can find nothing factually wrong with the report. Everything is cited and documented. Arguably the only weakness is that we do not have internal emails between Chinese players or the Chinese and Bidens that would make explicit what the links clearly imply.
Second, I will not be disclosing the individual who did write this report. They have very valid reasons to fear for both their personal safety and professional risks. Throughout the years that I have known this individual we never discussed politics. I have never heard them criticize any political party other than the CCP. They are not a Republican.
Third, it was my very real wish that the press would have reported on the documented evidence in this report and left me and the author entirely out of this situation. I did not vote for Trump in 2016 and will not vote for him in 2020. This information however is entirely valid public interest information that the press has simply refused to cover due to their own partisan wishes. I have serious policy differences with President Trump. I am pro-immigration. I would like to see more free trade efforts to shift trade away from China and into partner countries from Mexico to Vietnam and India. I believe that institution building in Asia is vital and America needs to take that lead. However, I cannot in good conscience allow documented evidence of the variety presented here go unreported by partisans who are simply choosing to hide information.
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Balding's summary of the report
Spoiler!
Hunter Biden is partnered with the Chinese state. Entire investment partnership is Chinese state money from social security fund to China Development Bank. It is actually a subsidiary of the Bank of China. This is not remotely anything less than a Chinese state funded play.
Though the entire size of the fund cannot be reconstructed, the Taiwanese cofounder who is now detained in China, reports it to be NOT $1-1.5 billion but $6.5 billion. This would make Hunters stake worth at a minimum at least $50 million if he was to sell it.
Disturbingly, everyone on the Chinese side are clearly linked with influence and intelligence organizations. China uses very innocuous sounding organization names to hide PLA, United Front, or Ministry of Foreign Affairs influence/intelligence operations. This report cannot say Hunter was the target of such an operation or that China even targeted him. However, based upon the clear pattern of individuals and organizations surrounding him it is an entirely reasonable conclusion.
Finally, the believed Godfather in arranging everything is a gentleman named Yang Jiechi. He is currently the CCP Director of Foreign Affairs leading strategist for America, Politburo member one of the most powerful men in China, and Xi confidant. Why does this matter?
He met regularly with Joe Biden during his stint as Chinese ambassador the US when Biden chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Later he was Minister of Foreign Affairs when the investment partnership was made official in 2013. Importantly, the Taiwanese national listed MOFA institutions as the key clients in helping to arrange everything. Yang would clearly have known the importance of Hunter Biden and undoubtedly would have been informed of any dealings. Given that he is now the point person in China for dealing with the US this raises major concerns about a Biden administration dealing impartially with an individual in this capacity. These are documented facts from Chinese corporate records like IPO prospectuses and media. They raise very valid concerns about Biden linkages to China.
Joe Biden’s compromising partnership with the Communist Party of China runs via Yang Jiechi (CPC’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission). YANG met frequently with BIDEN during his tenure at the Chinese embassy in Washington.
Hunter Biden’s 2013 Bohai Harvest Rosemont investment partnership was set-up by Ministry of Foreign Affairs institutions who are tasked with garnering influence with foreign leaders during YANG’s tenure as Foreign Minister.
HUNTER has a direct line to the Politburo, according to SOURCE A, a senior finance professional in China.
Michael Lin, a Taiwanese national now detained in China, brokered the BHR partnership and partners with MOFA foreign influence organizations.
LIN is a POI for his work on behalf of China, as confirmed by SOURCE B and SOURCE C (at two separate national intelligence agencies).
BHR is a state managed operation. Leading shareholder in BHR is a Bank of China which lists BHR as a subsidiary and BHR’s partners are SOEs that funnel revenue/assets to BHR.
HUNTER continues to hold 10% in BHR. He visited China in 2010 and met with major Chinese government financial companies that would later back BHR.
HUNTER’s BHR stake (purchased for $400,000) is now likely be worth approx. $50 million (fees and capital appreciation based on BHR’s $6.5 billion AUM as stated by Michael Lin).
HUNTER also did business with Chinese tycoons linked with the Chinese military and against the interests of US national security.
BIDEN’s foreign policy stance towards China (formerly hawkish), turned positive despite China’s country’s rising geopolitical assertiveness.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
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