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Adding to that, a lot of the customs in government seem to be based on tradition and some level of respect and decorum, and not explicitly documented for every situation; things like the supreme court justice nomination, the peaceful transition of power, etc.
Rightful or not, Republicans have bullied and pushed their agenda past far past these customs with complete disregard for tradition and history.
Like when you see a mom letting her kid piss into a mall garbage can in public. Sure there was no sign that says to not piss into public garbage cans, but should there really need to be one?
And now that those traditions have been broken, who knows how far future politicians will push them. Meanwhile traditional democrats are following these unspoken traditions (or it could be seen as being too sensitive to not punching down), that the are just letting this happen.
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Don't you think that's all the more reason to investigate and prove these claims out?
In Pennsylvania, during the counting process, lawsuits were filed by the trump campaign to allow proper, bipartisan, observation.
You shouldn't have to go through the courts for that.
Why would that even be challenged?
When the country is split, almost right down the middle, you can't allow questionable practices to linger.
An accusation isn't enough to start a full investigation. There must be some evidence.
I can accuse you of being a terrorist. Does that mean the RCMP will show up at your door tomorrow and take all your hard drives and phones?
No, but if I can show evidence of you being a terrorist, they might.
Simply saying "there must be something going on because I should have won" is literally the worst kind of accusation you could possibly have. But the goal isn't to find corruption, it's to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of his followers, who we've seen can be motivated into violence and terrorism. Like many other groups of different nature.
You only have one ballot, if there was fraud you'd be seeing far more elected Democrats in senate and the house.
What you're seeing in the election is validation of Republicans on the state level, and repudiation of Trump on the presidential level.
Really good point here, if there was fraud, why not rig results to get a bigger win for the House? And most importantly, why not rig it so that Dems win the Senate as well?
^ Led by the king of projection, Trump, hence why that Reddit thread showing a tweet of him in the past condemning others for everything he says/does now exists.
“I pay the most taxes” - paid none
“I am the least racist person in this room” - is racist
“Obama should be working not golfing” - spends every day in office watching tv or playing golf
“I’m the least corrupt person” - most of his friends and associates are either on charges or in jail (or killed themselves)
On and on and on and on and onnnn this list could be longer than this thread.
I have my doubts whether there’s a bigger asshole / more reprehensible person on the entire planet.
that's rule 45 of the internet now.
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Dean Browning, a former commissioner in Lehigh County, Pennsylvania, confused Twitter users on Tuesday when he replied to his own tweet claiming to be a gay Black man who voted for Trump.
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Please contact my firm as soon as possible to expedite this transaction. All it will require is a donation of $1000USD to help free up the funds as Mr. President Donald Trump will overturn the fraudulent votership of the Democratic Party.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Don the con knows the SDNY is waiting for him with a slew of indictments and Deutsche Bank is looking to collect on debt owed so he's gotta con his supporters for more money. It's a bloody cult.
Let me preface this by reiterating that I have no political leanings particularly in US politics where it becomes so polarizing that to even dare call yourself a centrist would oust you from both groups like you were an X-Men member with less purpose than Longneck.
I should also point out that this isn’t about Donald Trump winning his lawsuit; it’s about determining whether or not the most important process in any free country was compromised. This isn’t exactly like 2016 where many automatically blamed an outside power for upheaving the process (you know, 4 years’ worth of conspiracy theories). Not quite. This is about whether the system itself was corrupted by select people for a grand purpose. Should a society not want to examine the data and assess how many admissible votes were not counted as well as how many inadmissible votes were?
Some general issues that were brought up (some through sworn affidavits):
• Issues with mail in ballots either not counting or not admissible due to improper filling out or no witness address.
• Dead people have voted
• Computer glitches
• Not having poll watchers in view
Important to remember an affidavit is not like posting on Twitter. To lie on an affidavit is to commit perjury.
So let’s visit some of the states in question. I will list in point form to avoid a wordy post.
Pennsylvania –
• The state said they can accept ballots after closing which does not sit in line with the law
• They are supposed to segregate ballots after 8pm - The GOP is calling into question whether all counties receiving ballots after 8pm were doing that
• Potentially 650k – 700k compromised votes (This is only hearsay for now)
• The rate of rejected mail-in ballots was 30 times lower than in 2016 (they were sent randomly, not by request). You think there’d be stronger filters in place
• They did actually win one case against Philadelphia:
Bad journalism here. This was later proven to be a typo in the count number (they added an extra zero by mistake) but the idiot felt WELL IT'S BIDEN SO THERE!!!
• Automatic recounts will take place per law
In case anyone wanted to know where votes go after the voter casts their vote, here's the rough order:
Tabulator > County Clerk > Another agency within the State > Media
Lot of telephone going on here. Bad communication can lead to the media to project incorrect numbers
• Canvasing days for the following States: Georgia Nov 20, Pennsylvania Nov 23, Michigan Nov 24, North Carolina Nov 26, Arizona Nov 30, Wisconsin & Nevada Dec 1
Final Thoughts –
So this is what I looked into. The more I researched, the more the sensationalism (or lack thereof) was felt. Even with fraud found, I don’t believe it will make a dent in the numbers. That said, I don’t disagree with the GOP pursuing this if there are laws setup for this particular purpose. Some people just want all the legal votes to be counted and all the illegal votes to be discarded and then tally up the final correct numbers for peace of mind.
Personally of all the systems in place I would NOT want to see violated, it’s the voting process. It’s really the only way for a serf err I mean citizen to connect with their government. I don’t believe in the defeatest attitude of ‘this is what you got, deal with’ if there’s actually some validity to the claims pursued in the lawsuit. I also don’t brush aside the argument of ‘it’s only 2000 votes, who cares?’ mindset either. This just discourages future voter turnout though I guess that’s what the elite what. Reduce the turnout and control who does show up. Concentrated effort. Fuck that. The main reason for this giant post is because of Remembrance Day. A day for all those who died so democracy / republics can function and the rest of us don't have to wake up knee deep in a trench, eating rations and wondering if we're going to see tomorrow.
Ironically after all this, I confess I don’t even watch news. Keyword: WATCH. I do not need to watch a panel of eight loud mouthed, bobble headed, pocket lining, social grifting, narcissist sellouts including Van “nothingburger” Jones who works for Jeff “Trump’s the boss” Zucker. I only ever watched The Price is Right on CBS, sorry Les “Trump is good for CBS like I am for sexual misconduct” Moonves.
Oh and of course how I can forget the celebrities? I always value the input of a D List Celebrity who earns less than a CPA telling me how I need to think because I’m too stupid to be an individual in a free society. Not to mention Stephen Colbert crying from atop his ivory tower. His tears like acid, stinging the backs of the serfs some 25km below him who have just lost their jobs and homes. Oh poor him, he’s just upset about dat press conference? Let’s all build a bridge up to him, pyramid slave style, wave Biden flags and rest assured he’s safe and no harm will come to him! He can continue to enjoy his $60million net worth like he always has, even before Trump was his president!
I am aware that this echo chamber is tuned in the key of Dbm while I come in here humming in the key of G#MAJ7 but a little dissonance is good for the ears.
It's good that you're taking a lot of time to scrutinize this as best you can but this:
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Some people just want all the legal votes to be counted and all the illegal votes to be discarded and then tally up the final correct numbers for peace of mind.
Is not really why they're doing what they're doing. Because as you said
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Even with fraud found, I don’t believe it will make a dent in the numbers.
And they know this.
This is a campaign in order to support a coup attempt, not a "let's keep our democratic process as clean as possible" attempt. They are doing every last thing to make trump America's first dictator.
You and I might just want peace of mind, because we can think critically. And a lot of other people - who voted for either candidate - do too as well. But that's not trump's goal. trump does NOT want peace of mind or peace of anything.
When you see people parroting the "legal votes" line, you know they are responding to the dog whistle which may be more obvious to some than others (and frankly I'm surprised by some of the people buying into it)
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I think Trumps just building his after presidency career, he's stoking the flames of his followers so that they stay his followers in whatever business he'll seek out after all is said n done... Maybe he'll start a podcast
Let me preface this by reiterating that I have no political leanings particularly in US politics where it becomes so polarizing that to even dare call yourself a centrist would oust you from both groups like you were an X-Men member with less purpose than Longneck.
I should also point out that this isn’t about Donald Trump winning his lawsuit; it’s about determining whether or not the most important process in any free country was compromised. This isn’t exactly like 2016 where many automatically blamed an outside power for upheaving the process (you know, 4 years’ worth of conspiracy theories). Not quite. This is about whether the system itself was corrupted by select people for a grand purpose. Should a society not want to examine the data and assess how many admissible votes were not counted as well as how many inadmissible votes were?
Some general issues that were brought up (some through sworn affidavits
and the earth is flat, just look at all the evidence on youtube.
A postal worker whose allegations of ballot tampering are the basis of Republican calls for investigations has reportedly recanted his story.
Democrats on the House oversight committee said that Richard Hopkins – the worker who claimed in a signed affidavit that a supervisor at the US Postal Service (USPS) in Erie, Pennsylvania, instructed staff to tamper with ballots by backdating ones that arrived late – had recanted the allegations in an interview with investigators for the USPS Inspector General.
Investigators told the committee that Hopkins “did not explain why he signed a false affidavit”, the committee wrote in a statement.
Hopkins admitted to fabricating his claims, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday, citing three officials. After he submitted the affidavit, the South Carolina Republican senator Lindsay Graham, who heads the Senate judiciary committee, called for a federal investigation.
At his bizarre press conference outside Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, Rudy Giuliani called up several witnesses to testify of alleged irregularities at vote-counting facilities – and one, it turns out, is a convicted sex offender.
Poll watcher Darryl Mikell Brooks was convicted in the 1990s of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor. He was charged with exposing himself to two girls aged seven and 11, although he has always maintained his innocence.
He has unsuccessfully stood for office in Trenton, New Jersey on multiple occasions, and was apparently recognised at the press conference by the city’s mayor, Reed Gusciora, who told the site of his reaction: “Here’s New Jersey’s perennial candidate claiming to live in Philadelphia and Giuliani claiming him to be a poll watcher and Philadelphia resident."
with 140 plus million ballots being cast you are going to have some irregularities but that does not mean it was voter fraud.
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Yea you lose all credibility using Giuliani as your source. Still waiting for the Hunter Biden documents which Giuliani falsely promoted but welfare says they're found..
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That's a weird location for a press conference lol wtf
I didn't hear about anymore documents other than those emails?
Even if Giuliani is right about 1m votes... I imagine that'd be spread out over 50 states and include both trump n Biden votes, so that's still not going to do anything for trump, unless Giuliani wants us to believe these are all Biden votes
This is just part of the democratic process. With mail in voting everyone knew there would be issues.
Its good that they get it sorted out so there can be a clear winner. Assuming Biden becomes President its better that the issue is resolved instead of the thought that the election might have been stolen.
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The thing is they will just keep lying and undermining the process continually if trump loses. There’s no acceptance that will come from this. Those of his supporters that were just normal people have already accepted the result, and the crazy people will just continue to believe it was stolen no matter what evidence has been put in front of them.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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