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Yup, 200+ pages of 'my level'. My words were how the woke point to others for their discrepancies and hypocrisy; blaming others for how they love to hate; you illustrate the 'rainbow'.
What's True
Susan Rosenberg has served as vice chair of the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organization that provides fundraising and fiscal sponsorship for the Black Lives Matter Global Movement. She was an active member of revolutionary left-wing movements whose illegal activities included bombing U.S. government buildings and committing armed robberies.
What's Undetermined
In the absence of a single, universally-agreed definition of "terrorism," it is a matter of subjective determination as to whether the actions for which Rosenberg was convicted and imprisoned — possession of weapons and hundreds of pounds of explosives — should be described as acts of "domestic terrorism."
Yup, 200+ pages of 'my level'. My words were how the woke point to others for their discrepancies and hypocrisy; blaming others for how they love to hate; you illustrate the 'rainbow'.
If I say that I do not agree with Rosenberg's actions and believe she is wrong if she is the one who directed such acts, will you say that Trump is wrong in his actions in directing his supporters towards violent acts?
If I say I believe that those who actually performed the violent acts for the purpose of BLM or other left-wing movements are wrong, will you say that the alt-right insurrectionists at the Capitol are also wrong?
Although I do side with the core purpose of what certain liberal causes are fighting against. How they are doing it with violence or inciting violence, I personally condemn.
I understand how Trump supporters believe what they believe, and although I do not agree with it, they are justified in those beliefs. How they do it with violence or inciting violence, I also personally condemn.
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If I say that I do not agree with Rosenberg's actions and believe she is wrong if she is the one who directed such acts, will you say that Trump is wrong in his actions in directing his supporters towards violent acts?
If I say I believe that those who actually performed the violent acts for the purpose of BLM or other left-wing movements are wrong, will you say that the alt-right insurrectionists at the Capitol are also wrong?
Although I do side with the core purpose of what certain liberal causes are fighting against. How they are doing it with violence or inciting violence, I personally condemn.
I understand how Trump supporters believe what they believe, and although I do not agree with it, they are justified in those beliefs. How they do it with violence or inciting violence, I also personally condemn.
Zedbra if you thanked the post, then own up and say you condemn the violence. I don't remember ever reading you posting anything that condemns the violence, only those that say democrats are part of it too, and that the BLM promoted violence too.
Zedbra if you thanked the post, then own up and say you condemn the violence. I don't remember ever reading you posting anything that condemns the violence, only those that say democrats are part of it too, and that the BLM promoted violence too.
Is that important for you? I condemn all violence, of course; and so should all virtuous humans. Everything else is rhetorical lip service in any manner if you try to justify violence. Nonetheless, many people posting here are just "good for thee, but not for me" and choose to belittle people versus physical violence; without any need for justification. Is that allowed? I'm raising sons and teaching them that only little people bully others for being different; and never let little people take a big space in your mind.
So, where do you draw the line between violence versus online assault? Will you and everyone else here that lines up to belittle another person for having a different opinion, condemn their words? Will you? Who else? Look at the responses here, ask them. Blaming Trump only goes so far until you have to realize your own words are what is truly worth condemning as you are the very same hateful person you point and say is someone elses' fault you act like a spiteful person; without any consideration to making this world a better place by setting any sort of respectful example.
Thought there was a breakthrough, yet back to the same old rhetoric; pointing fingers everywhere else except towards himself in order to avoid actually condemning the violence incited by Trump and enacted by his supporters.
Oh look over there, online assault. Look over there, bullying. Just don't look over where I am, standing quietly beside the alt right insurrectionists, not saying anything as they enact violence at the urging of Trump.
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Is that important for you? I condemn all violence, of course; and so should all virtuous humans. Everything else is rhetorical lip service in any manner if you try to justify violence. Nonetheless, many people posting here are just "good for thee, but not for me" and choose to belittle people versus physical violence; without any need for justification. Is that allowed? I'm raising sons and teaching them that only little people bully others for being different; and never let little people take a big space in your mind.
So, where do you draw the line between violence versus online assault? Will you and everyone else here that lines up to belittle another person for having a different opinion, condemn their words? Will you? Who else? Look at the responses here, ask them. Blaming Trump only goes so far until you have to realize your own words are what is truly worth condemning as you are the very same hateful person you point and say is someone elses' fault you act like a spiteful person; without any consideration to making this world a better place by setting any sort of respectful example.
I didn't say anything other than ask that you condemn the violence and call out that it was wrong. I did not belittle you, stop trying to play the victim card.
I didn't say anything other than ask that you condemn the violence and call out that it was wrong. I did not belittle you, stop trying to play the victim card.
I'm no victim; I stand behind my words without shame. How you choose to view them - that's all you.
I've pondered having my two boys, 10 and 12, read this thread together and ask their perception of the people posting here. They don't know anything about politics, we don't talk about it here, and I'm curious about their perceptions and how they fit within the virtues we strive to live within, such as temperance and prudence; I admire their civility within purity and the ability to speak the truth of what they see and comprehend. What do you think they will say? I think we'll have a break-through alright.
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This is the most indirect, manipulative, gaslighting bullshit man.
You want to disagree, that's fine. Be direct and stop acting like you aren’t a part of the disagreements. You come in here, want to disagree with people, then get upset and talk about how "everyone is so full of hate." Be clear, state your opinions with convictions and quit beating around the bush. People have every right to call you out on it if you want to partake in the discussion, just like you have the right to speak your words.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Nothing about that video looks like propaganda before I even click on it... not the giant yellow letters or the socialist tag or the “left” description... not even going to click it and give them the “view” they’re so desperately seeking.
YouTube isn’t a legitimate source of news my friends.
This is the most indirect, manipulative, gaslighting bullshit man.
You want to disagree, that's fine. Be direct and stop acting like you aren’t a part of the disagreements. You come in here, want to disagree with people, then get upset and talk about how "everyone is so full of hate." Be clear, state your opinions with convictions and quit beating around the bush. People have every right to call you out on it if you want to partake in the discussion, just like you have the right to speak your words.
YES thank you. These manipulative tactics must continued to be called out directly if we are ever going to get to direct transparent discourse of substance.
And Zedbra, instead of asking your two boys about their perception of the people posting here, why don't you point the mirror at yourself and ask your two boys about their perception of being used as cannon fodder in their father's attempt to misdirect and weasel his way out of direct accountability and confrontation for his statements (or lack thereof)? Disgraceful.
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I was planning on reading this thread to my dog, see which posts make her whimper more than others and let you guys know which ones of you should be ashamed of yourselves and which ones made her wag her tail the most.
It would have nothing to do with how I framed the posts, like, with intonations and stuff... or when I handed out treats... or how I defined words/situations she was unsure of. Nope... none at all. She's also 14, so she's got more life experience than some people's kids around here and I have no doubts about her ability to grasp the social, economic or cultural ramifications of things that have transpired.
Nothing about that video looks like propaganda before I even click on it... not the giant yellow letters or the socialist tag or the “left” description... not even going to click it and give them the “view” they’re so desperately seeking.
YouTube isn’t a legitimate source of news my friends.
Jimmy Dore, formerly of The Young Turks, who has recently called out TYT for not being left enough and for taking Establishment money, is propagandizing for who exactly? Jimmy often points out that he is just a lowly comedian making a show out of his garage, so I don't know where you got the impression that he or I claimed him to be a legitimate news source. Back when Jon Stewart used to host The Daily Show, he would often point out that he is just the host of a comedy show, yet many young people got their news from that show and could find more elements of the truth from pointing out the absurdities of the establishment powers and media. That is how he likely sees himself.
He is interviewing Glen Greenwald, a Pulitzer Prize and George Polk Award winning journalist. His image is included in video's title image btw. He isn't considered legitimate to you? Jimmy is literally reading out headlines and articles from "legitimate" news articles.
No source is truely legitimate these days, especially the corporate establishment media. Look at how they, and the Establishment in Washington under Biden, have circled the wagons to defend hedge funds against r/wallstreetbets and regular people investing in the stock market. They have literally attempted to label this movement as hate speech and claimed that Trump supporters and neo nazis are behind it all, when in fact it is just people from all over the political spectrum using capitalism to combat the worst extremes of capitalism.
Often times I will hear of breaking news on places like twitter, see footage and reports from people on the ground, etc. Then I wait and wait for the MSM to cover it and see all the spin and information left out which doesn't suit their agendas. They have been corporatized and made to serve those in power so they can keep that power and wealth.
Journalists used to be regular people, seeking to get the truth out, to protect people and keep those in power and the systems of that power in check. Beat the pavement, seek out sources, put yourself in harm's way. Now they work for profit and to justify their existence by crafting ways to generate traffic to their employers with more and more outrageous headlines and poorly researched, poorly written puff pieces. Have you noticed how often spelling and grammar mistakes are included? Or how they literally recycle articles written by others? Covid had really shown how many of them are elitists as they sit in zoom calls from their expensive condos and talk with each other about how they miss travelling the world, going to concerts, shopping for antiques, etc. Listen to CBC radio for a day and you'll get the idea. They have become, or at least they believe themselves to be, an elitist class, and they serve those in power.
Don't be so quick to dismiss information. You can figure out pretty quick the motivations and agendas of sources. Follow the money as they say. Can't take anything at face value.
Nothing about that video looks like propaganda before I even click on it... not the giant yellow letters or the socialist tag or the “left” description... not even going to click it and give them the “view” they’re so desperately seeking.
YouTube isn’t a legitimate source of news my friends.
Jimmy dore himself is left leaning for sure, but is more a centrist than anything and calls out bullshit on either side. But like anything he is a guy in his garage and it’s his opinion, not news
This is the most indirect, manipulative, gaslighting bullshit man.
You want to disagree, that's fine. Be direct and stop acting like you aren’t a part of the disagreements. You come in here, want to disagree with people, then get upset and talk about how "everyone is so full of hate." Be clear, state your opinions with convictions and quit beating around the bush. People have every right to call you out on it if you want to partake in the discussion, just like you have the right to speak your words.
I am direct and have clearly stated my opinions and disagreements; when there is in disagreement then the common retort is try to try stick words into my statements that better suits another's opinion. My words just don't call you out and label you in seditious terms; your words illustrate those convictions and lack of virtues perfectly. Break through.
It's black and white - even a child can see it. The days of agreeing to disagree are seemingly passed, as illustrated here for 200 pages.
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If you’d like to “agree to disagree” just go ahead? What’s stopping you from holding yourself back from a retort?
You think you’re above what’s going on yet you are participating in it. You want to talk about hypocrisy?
The way to “agree to disagree” is to stop the conversation and move on. Even a child knows that when you try to get the last word, you’re just extending the disagreement.
My feelings aren’t hurt because I think you’re wrong, nor would I ever accuse someone of “bullying me” when their viewpoints don’t line up with mine and I CONTINUE to enter the conversation and argument on my own accord. When you remove yourself from the conversation and someone continues to push their viewpoints and statements onto you without asking for it, sure.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I'm no victim; I stand behind my words without shame. How you choose to view them - that's all you.
I've pondered having my two boys, 10 and 12, read this thread together and ask their perception of the people posting here. They don't know anything about politics, we don't talk about it here, and I'm curious about their perceptions and how they fit within the virtues we strive to live within, such as temperance and prudence; I admire their civility within purity and the ability to speak the truth of what they see and comprehend. What do you think they will say? I think we'll have a break-through alright.
Words =/= actions. The way you speak of things does not reflect how you've maintained yourself on these boards.
And I would throw your second line right back at you. How you choose to view these words, that's all you.
I feel like people in here are pretty level-headed, if you disagree with some one, you'd have to expect them to disagree right back. There have been some heated discussions all over the place with (hondaracer for example right off the top of my head)and others as well, but no one ever plays the victim card.
I'm a little wary about bringing kids into anything that's political, and there are many reasons:
a) I'd like them to form their own opinion. You are a parent to them, whatever you show them, they'll have a tendency to take your side.
b) They probably just aren't interested - I know I wasn't
c) They most likely won't understand - I know I didn't
At the end of the day, the kids thing, it's your choice. I don't disagree with you because there's no "correct time" to teach them just like there's no "correct time" to have kids. I line of thinking is to let them decide themselves.
If you’d like to “agree to disagree” just go ahead? What’s stopping you from holding yourself back from a retort?
You think you’re above what’s going on yet you are participating in it. You want to talk about hypocrisy?
The way to “agree to disagree” is to stop the conversation and move on. Even a child knows that when you try to get the last word, you’re just extending the disagreement.
My feelings aren’t hurt because I think you’re wrong, nor would I ever accuse someone of “bullying me” when their viewpoints don’t line up with mine and I CONTINUE to enter the conversation and argument on my own accord. When you remove yourself from the conversation and someone continues to push their viewpoints and statements onto you without asking for it, sure.
That's what I was waiting for. When the left don't like their own words and actions given back in context - shut it down and take it away; for 'the good'.
Then commend yourself. Let the others atone to their words. I tip my hat to your righteousness in this manner. Sadly, I don't give everyone a participation trophy; they live on their own merits.
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