Trump thread 2.0

[underscore]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

That's not hurt feelings, that's being brainwashed into thinking what you're doing is righteous.

And who did the brainwashing to make them think that? Someone with hurt feelings.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by The7even

Wheres the minority part?

I just told you, I wasn't born in the states, much less the western hemisphere. I was an immigrant, until I earned my citizenship. English is my third language.

If you're going to ignore all that and still say I'm not a minority because I'm white then I'll conveniently point out that even then, as a race, whites are a minority in the world.

Either way, I'm a minority.

I found this really funny -- As a white dude you consider yourself a minority in the US, based on overall world demographic population, and not within the US only?

That's not how it works. That sort of outlook is making me understand better how wacky your mind functions here.

The US demographic for white demo's is 58.9, or 75% if you include partly Hispanic.

You are not a minority.

[mikemhg]

There's a good debate to by made with The7even here, I think the name calling and those types of silly arguments don't solve much, and won't pivot any opinions.

If anything this just shows how silo'd people are within their media. The7even, when speaking about black people, you essentially mentioned the exact same black "voices" that any white conservative/right leaning person would mention, you didn't go outside of that in the slightest. I think you should dive into the writings of W. E. B. Du Bois for a more academic and meaningful outlook on the subject.

Tell me the types of media you digest, where do you get your news?

You speak about Chicago for example and state that "80% of the kids don't have parents", where do you get that data?

Also, lets stay on the subject of Chicago, rightwing folks love to use Chicago as a dog whistle for whatever reason, I suppose it's convenient.

Why do you think parts of Chicago (I assume you're speaking about the Southside) are in that current state? Historically, what do you think caused that state of economic environment?

[sonick]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I found this really funny -- As a white dude you consider yourself a minority in the US, based on overall world demographic population, and not within the US only?

That's not how it works. That sort of outlook is making me understand better how wacky your mind functions here.

The US demographic for white demo's is 58.9, or 75% if you include partly Hispanic.

You are not a minority.

He probably considers Elon Musk a minority based on his definition lol

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

There's a good debate to by made with The7even here, I think the name calling and those types of silly arguments don't solve much, and won't pivot any opinions.

If anything this just shows how silo'd people are within their media. The7even, when speaking about black people, you essentially mentioned the exact same black "voices" that any white conservative/right leaning person would mention, you didn't go outside of that in the slightest. I think you should dive into the writings of W. E. B. Du Bois for a more academic and meaningful outlook on the subject.

Tell me the types of media you digest, where do you get your news?

You speak about Chicago for example and state that "80% of the kids don't have parents", where do you get that data?

Also, lets stay on the subject of Chicago, rightwing folks love to use Chicago as a dog whistle for whatever reason, I suppose it's convenient.

Why do you think parts of Chicago (I assume you're speaking about the Southside) are in that current state? Historically, what do you think caused that state of economic environment?

no no no no!!!! Stop it Mikey, youre gonna scare him off kinda like you guys chased away charles in charge and the tranny hater guy. RS is gonna be a circle jerk of liberals and socialists soon.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

There's a good debate to by made with The7even here, I think the name calling and those types of silly arguments don't solve much, and won't pivot any opinions.

If anything this just shows how silo'd people are within their media. The7even, when speaking about black people, you essentially mentioned the exact same black "voices" that any white conservative/right leaning person would mention, you didn't go outside of that in the slightest. I think you should dive into the writings of W. E. B. Du Bois for a more academic and meaningful outlook on the subject.

Tell me the types of media you digest, where do you get your news?

You speak about Chicago for example and state that "80% of the kids don't have parents", where do you get that data?

Also, lets stay on the subject of Chicago, rightwing folks love to use Chicago as a dog whistle for whatever reason, I suppose it's convenient.

Why do you think parts of Chicago (I assume you're speaking about the Southside) are in that current state? Historically, what do you think caused that state of economic environment?

I wouldn't mind debate but honestly I'm tired.

I live here, in the states, and have for the past 26 years, I'm 38 now. I will never be able to convince someone not living here the reality of the situation when I am here, in the middle of it, and these guys spew liberal talking points.

The wisest course is for me to just give up, and I do because there is, at the end of it all, no harm done to me. These neighborhoods that I'd like to see get cleaned up and fixed can only be fixed with the acceptance of reality, acknowledgment of the democratic parties failures that have been in place for 70 years and have produced only more pain and misery for those unfortunate enough to be at the receiving end of a liberals pity.

I stopped caring a long time ago. Babies getting killed in drive by shootings? It must be because of racism.
Rape? Murder? Lack of impulse control? No self respect? No accountability? No pride in one's own community? All racism.
Someone tries to offer a solution that isn't pointing a finger at past injustices? Also racism.
Disagree with blaming everything on racism? Believe it or not, racism!

My job is not my only source of income, and I make upwards of $120k/year just watching it all. Watching it all burn. All liberal cities are like this, drug infested, crime ridden, and if you dare look at the demographic you are racist. Recognizing patterns? Also racist. Offering a solution, racist too. So yeah, I gave up.

People will believe what they want to believe. I'll be working on retiring before 47 years of age and enjoying my life. If I make it, I'm sure it'll be my white privilege that gets me there not my hard work. But like I said, it doesn't matter. I'm sure I'll be accused of not giving a shit either because I'm racist, not because I'm tired of fighting the know it alls. The black men and women who I have to help and who told me stories that prove my point and who by the way say all the things I've said here must just be wrong.

I know it all sounds like a rant but not all of it is, a lot of it is realization that people can't change their opinions because they believe it'll make them look foolish, it's just human nature. In reality, only experiencing all of this has the potential to sway opinion.

Oh, and this just in, one of the guys I work with just got shot and is critical condition, he wasn't even the target, they were targeting each other.


https://abc7chicago.com/off-duty-coo...port/13627242/

Oh hey, look, a guy just murdered another guy in his jail cell, the jail I work for too, just a day or so ago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...ok-county-jail

It was the racism that made him do it I bet.

All this just this week.


So yeah, I'm gonna go play baldurs gate 3 now.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

no no no no!!!! Stop it Mikey, youre gonna scare him off kinda like you guys chased away charles in charge and the tranny hater guy. RS is gonna be a circle jerk of liberals and socialists soon.

I revisited this thread.................. talk about chasing away people BNR32, Zhang Fei, Noob Boi, etc.


https://www.revscene.net/forums/6608...ads-posts.html

Breast Pump, anyone?


There's a revscene history thread somewhere, but cannot find, ATM.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by The7even

I wouldn't mind debate but honestly I'm tired.

I live here, in the states, and have for the past 26 years, I'm 38 now. I will never be able to convince someone not living here the reality of the situation when I am here, in the middle of it, and these guys spew liberal talking points.

The wisest course is for me to just give up, and I do because there is, at the end of it all, no harm done to me. These neighborhoods that I'd like to see get cleaned up and fixed can only be fixed with the acceptance of reality, acknowledgment of the democratic parties failures that have been in place for 70 years and have produced only more pain and misery for those unfortunate enough to be at the receiving end of a liberals pity.

I stopped caring a long time ago. Babies getting killed in drive by shootings? It must be because of racism.
Rape? Murder? Lack of impulse control? No self respect? No accountability? No pride in one's own community? All racism.
Someone tries to offer a solution that isn't pointing a finger at past injustices? Also racism.
Disagree with blaming everything on racism? Believe it or not, racism!

My job is not my only source of income, and I make upwards of $120k/year just watching it all. Watching it all burn. All liberal cities are like this, drug infested, crime ridden, and if you dare look at the demographic you are racist. Recognizing patterns? Also racist. Offering a solution, racist too. So yeah, I gave up.

People will believe what they want to believe. I'll be working on retiring before 47 years of age and enjoying my life. If I make it, I'm sure it'll be my white privilege that gets me there not my hard work. But like I said, it doesn't matter. I'm sure I'll be accused of not giving a shit either because I'm racist, not because I'm tired of fighting the know it alls. The black men and women who I have to help and who told me stories that prove my point and who by the way say all the things I've said here must just be wrong.

I know it all sounds like a rant but not all of it is, a lot of it is realization that people can't change their opinions because they believe it'll make them look foolish, it's just human nature. In reality, only experiencing all of this has the potential to sway opinion.

Oh, and this just in, one of the guys I work with just got shot and is critical condition, he wasn't even the target, they were targeting each other.


https://abc7chicago.com/off-duty-coo...port/13627242/

Oh hey, look, a guy just murdered another guy in his jail cell, the jail I work for too, just a day or so ago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...ok-county-jail

It was the racism that made him do it I bet.

All this just this week.


So yeah, I'm gonna go play baldurs gate 3 now.

I understand if you don't feel like debate, that's fine.

I think you're conflating things bit, there is a definitive difference between Democrat, and "Liberal" ideas. These are not the same things. I wouldn't even call the Democratic parry "Liberal" to be honest.

Liberal polices are in place in many countries throughout the world, they do not have the same problems that exist within the US. Norway Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, Germany, Australia are all liberal countries that don't carry the same problems that exist in the US.

Perhaps it's hard to wrap your head around that because the problems exist based on a multitude of contributing factors.

Criminality isn't a racial thing, it's always been socioeconomic. How do we know that? Because all races commit crimes. Choose any community where crime exists (any black, white, native, latino, etc.), what is the defining through-line? Economic status.

I'm not sure what posting a random gang shooting or a beating in prison means exactly, because they were black? I don't see you posting any white crimes, why is that? Do you think criminality exists only in the black community, but not white? I'm trying to understand your rationale here.

It seems you're cherry-picking a single black community and extrapolating that as meaning an entire race of people are criminals. It's very myopic.

You do realize gang conflict is circular? Meaning I kill you, you kill me, my friend kills you, you kill my friend. The cycle continues. War is no different, why do you think the Russians/Ukrainians will likely never stop their regional conflict with one another (even when formal war ceases)? It is extremely difficult to break a cycle of inherent violence.

I agree with you there should be accountability, and that communities should enact change and improvements as opposed to blaming the past. Guess what, that's happening:

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news...e-james-crown/

There is finally investment being made into the South and West side in order to stimulate economic growth within those communities. How about we see how some of those economic policies play out in these places before indicting an entire race based on some dog whistle guise of criminality?

Also, not sure why you're referencing your income in this discussion, seems irrelevant here, but ball out, buddy.

[westopher]

Honestly glad he referenced his salary now since he called me poor. Now I at least don't have to feel bad.
It's just one big walking conformation bias. Black people bad, see this bad thing? The person who did it was black.
We can all cherry pick as many things as we want to back up our subjective views on anything. You can make any group look like they are the cause of violence, but the point lies, what made these groups violent? It all comes down to lack of opportunity for success. Unless someone is a true sociopath, you don't hear of most criminals coming from a background which allows them a multitude of opportunities.
This is all basic big picture stuff.
Blacks in large cities in the US will make up a larger portion of crime because they are a larger demographic in communities that create and environment where that is the only opportunity for financial gain or power.
Why did that happen? Because of systematic racism that existed for literally centuries in the US.
The issue here is that if you cant acknowledge that it had an effect on current situations because 30 years ago people decided it wasn't cool to use the N word anymore and it all became magically equal, you'll just never get it. You will just continue to be the racist guy that thinks black people bad because of "culture" instead of getting the root causes. Keep the us vs. Them mentality until you retire at 47 of of your "baller" wage and sit on your porch and give dirty looks when a black kid rides his bike by like a real life cosplay of gran Torino adjusted for your neighbourhood.

[68style]

I would expect my world view to be extremely myopic if I worked in the prison system as well.

He said he's tired of stuff, I'm tired of the same stuff he's tired of too... but from a different perspective. Tired of listening to doom and gloomers who believe the entire USA is falling apart. I've been all over the USA since things opened up and some areas are worse than before for a variety of reasons but all this doom and gloom and talk of cesspools in every "liberal" city (how does one arrive at that conclusion anyway? Aren't polls like 55/45 at the very worse in any given city?) is laughable.

Look beyond the prisons and police interactions, there's so much vibrancy and so many great initiatives going on. Then again, a lot of what I was involved with was charitable or benefit type campaigns so I guess I was surrounded by people with good ideas who ARE making a difference, not dealing with people who stabby stabby others. One of those cities was *gasp* CHICAGO. Oh my god... I can't believe I survived my trip there given how you talk about it!! I even went and stood in line outside a jazz club in a seedy area and lived to write this message. Amazing.

It's funny to say we can't comment on the USA because we don't live there, but then it's okay to paint every city in the USA as a cesspool if it's tinted blue from an electoral perspective without ever having visited most of them. No hypocrisy there at all.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I understand if you don't feel like debate, that's fine.

Thanks, fren! I'll reply to this just to clear some things up.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Liberal polices are in place in many countries throughout the world, they do not have the same problems that exist within the US. Norway Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, Germany, Australia are all liberal countries that don't carry the same problems that exist in the US.

Correct. It is also why those policies would not work in the US, because of the freedoms and the problems that come with those freedoms are not something those countries have to wrestle with.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Perhaps it's hard to wrap your head around that because the problems exist based on a multitude of contributing factors.

I understand that. I lived in one of the countries mentioned before coming to the states.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Criminality isn't a racial thing

Agreed, 100%

Originally Posted by mikemhg

it's always been socioeconomic. How do we know that? Because all races commit crimes. .

I vehemently disagree. Totally incorrect. It is based on culture mainly and THEN on socioeconomics. And I would argue that of those two, culture is 95% the contributing factor.

All races do commit crime, but you can ALWAYS, if you're not afraid, quantify that. Of said races which one commits the most and by how much. If the numbers are overwhelmingly skewed for one race then you can start to ask questions, like why, and you can then go from there. That is not racist, it is the natural progression of things. The left acts as if merely bringing up these facts is akin to asking for a genocide.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

what is the defining through-line? Economic status.

Culture. Thomas Sowell points this out in his book Black Rednecks & White liberals. The culture of the black communities that are crime ridden in the US all stem from one place.... and I'm sure you'll be surprised to hear me say this because you know, I'm racist.. but it stems from literally Europe, Great Britain to be exact. The garbage thug / ghetto culture that is so celebrated all began in the south (of the US) where the slaves then picked up on it. Years later after the slaves were freed, black people found that culture to be something that distinguished them from white people, and they embraced it while white people shamed other whites for behaving that way. That practice in effect still today. You see white trash? You call it out, "redneck" "trailer trash" "white trash" etc.. and it should be called out and shamed, relentlessly.

I used to be poor and committed no crime. In fact, I would rather starve than hurt someone for their rightfully earned meal.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I don't see you posting any white crimes, why is that? Do you think criminality exists only in the black community, but not white? I'm trying to understand your rationale here.

My rationale is that white people are 70% of the US and black people are 13% yet black people are responsible for about 55-60% of all violent crime.
Source: FBI

If you can not see that an issue exists, I don't know what else to say.

Clearly there exists a problem with one group that does not exist with others.

There are Africans that migrate to the US that are poorer than the blacks living here and their crime rates are near zero. It isn't economic, it's cultural.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

It seems you're cherry-picking a single black community and extrapolating that as meaning an entire race of people are criminals. It's very myopic.

Nothing to do with race but that doesn't mean that you can't point out a community and acknowledge that is has problems that others do not.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

You do realize gang conflict is circular? Meaning I kill you, you kill me, my friend kills you, you kill my friend. The cycle continues. War is no different, why do you think the Russians/Ukrainians will likely never stop their regional conflict with one another (even when formal war ceases)? It is extremely difficult to break a cycle of inherent violence.

I lived through a war, so yes, I do understand.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I agree with you there should be accountability, and that communities should enact change and improvements as opposed to blaming the past. Guess what, that's happening:

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news...e-james-crown/

There is finally investment being made into the South and West side in order to stimulate economic growth within those communities. How about we see how some of those economic policies play out in these places before indicting an entire race based on some dog whistle guise of criminality?

It won't work. Because no matter how much money you pour into the solution, the problem is not money, it is culture. It's why all businesses are moving out of those areas, it can not be solved this way. That is my point. Liberal or Dem policies are wrong and their solutions are all trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist while ignoring one that does because they're too scared to admit it.

Like I said earlier, it has been 70 years of these stupid policies and throwing money at the problem and no solution and to continue down and double down is insanity.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Also, not sure why you're referencing your income in this discussion, seems irrelevant here, but ball out, buddy.

My salary is mediocre considering how much money people are making doing way better and easier things, so it wasn't me trying to say anything with that salary figure except to point out the fact that I am STANDING BY, doing NOTHING while getting paid to watch an entire city melt down. That is lunacy to me. We have a no chase policy in Chicago now and no foot pursuit policy. Criminals are being let out left and right, more victims are created all while I'm told to do nothing and getting paid very decently for it. That's all there was to it.

Anyway, take care.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by westopher

Honestly glad he referenced his salary now since he called me poor. Now I at least don't have to feel bad.
It's just one big walking conformation bias. Black people bad, see this bad thing? The person who did it was black.
We can all cherry pick as many things as we want to back up our subjective views on anything. You can make any group look like they are the cause of violence, but the point lies, what made these groups violent? It all comes down to lack of opportunity for success. Unless someone is a true sociopath, you don't hear of most criminals coming from a background which allows them a multitude of opportunities.
This is all basic big picture stuff.
Blacks in large cities in the US will make up a larger portion of crime because they are a larger demographic in communities that create and environment where that is the only opportunity for financial gain or power.
Why did that happen? Because of systematic racism that existed for literally centuries in the US.
The issue here is that if you cant acknowledge that it had an effect on current situations because 30 years ago people decided it wasn't cool to use the N word anymore and it all became magically equal, you'll just never get it. You will just continue to be the racist guy that thinks black people bad because of "culture" instead of getting the root causes. Keep the us vs. Them mentality until you retire at 47 of of your "baller" wage and sit on your porch and give dirty looks when a black kid rides his bike by like a real life cosplay of gran Torino adjusted for your neighbourhood.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were a reddit moderator.

Also, you should feel bad. I did say it's not my only source of income and what SkinnyPoop believes is life changing money for him are my bi-weekly swings in my fidelity portfolio. But even then, I bet he's better off than you.

TL;DR you should feel bad, poorcuck

[punkwax]

If westo is a poorcuck while owning two shining examples of sought after M3’s here in the 604 then sign me the fuck up.

You’re trying to take the piss out of the wrong guy, my dude.

[westopher]

I'd be the first guy to tell you I'm poor, but, I'm living just fine. I'm just happy my mom raised me not to blame those worse off than me for my (or the worlds) problems. I'm no victim, and honestly it must be exhausting to be a middle aged, middle class white guy that thinks he is. It's pretty embarrassing to be honest.

[Badhobz]

Yeah!!
for a non crime committing white guy, he’s doing great in Vancouver

[westopher]

I commit crimes but it's all just petty drug related crimes.

[mikemhg]

Jeez, resorting to calling someone a brokie sure as hell doesn't legitimize any argument

Thanks for responding to me either way The7even, a lot of what you're purporting notably through Sowell is basic pseudo-intellectual racism.

His and your arguments deduce everything to learned culture as opposed to how individuals act when faced with poverty, and discrimination. It's sort of akin to the chicken and the egg argument.

Speaking to crime (you never posed any data there), but research also suggests that police practices such as racial profiling and over-policing in areas where minorities live also result in disproportionately high numbers of crime suspects from minority groups. Another case of chicken or the egg argument, which begets the causation behind that data? To ignore that and simply chalk it up to "culture" ignores that. I do believe that childhood exposure to violence certainly contributes to criminality, perhaps that's where you're going with that.

Based on that, one can concede that there is a portion of a cultural element, but I firmly believe it is not the sole factor, whatsoever.

Guess what, I also worked in the prison system when I first graduated college. I worked at North Fraser Pretrial during the golden years leading up to the 2010 Olympics. It was a place full of white/brown/native UN/RS/Wolf Pack gangsters, along with all the homeless we swept up off the streets to make Vancouver look nice for all the visitors coming to the city.

Working in those conditions made me learn a lot, and if anything changed my view of what causes criminality, most notably from a racial perspective. It's fascinating that we both worked in similar environments but came to a much different conclusion of race and crime.

I believe the demographic in which you work around has clouded your overall view on the subject.

[mikemhg]

One more question for you The7even, going back to culture.

The crime you speak of within black communities is perpetrated by blacks against other blacks. I've had many discussions with people within my community as to why that is. I believe a lot of that is a self-hatred that has ingrained itself in some of the black culture within America, caused by segregation, racism, and media. To me, that's sad, more than anything else.

I'm curious though, when speaking about culture, what is US culture in the first place, and how can culture be so simply painted on a wide swath of individuals? There are many black affluent communities in the US that have no such issues you're speaking of, so how can that be a cultural issue, writ-large?

A question for you. What is US culture anyways? White people encompass the wide majority of mass shooters within the US:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...hooter-s-race/

Whites are 3 times more prevalent than blacks when committing mass shootings. Why is that? Is that a cultural thing? Can we say that whites have a violent culture?

[westopher]

Worth noting that white shooters are also often motivated by racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.
Addressing those issues would objectively create a safer community.

[Manic!]

Trumps mugshot is coming tomorrow.

[mikemhg]

I wanna see a perp walk. That would be epic

[Manic!]

Fresh off the press. trumps mugshot.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...der-rcna101670

Charges: Thirteen counts — three of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer; two of conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree; two of conspiracy to commit false statements; two of false statements and writings; one of violation of the Georgia RICO Act; one of conspiracy to commit filing false documents; one of filing false documents; one of conspiracy to commit to impersonating a public officer.

[Hondaracer]

So I really couldn’t care less about any of this. However, had a bit of a chuckle re: “This time is going to be different”

I was at the gym finishing up a workout riding the bike and “breaking news” trump turning himself in goes across the TV

Went and showered and walked passed the TV literally 5 minutes later “trump out on $200,000 bail”

Lol

[SkinnyPupp]

[Manic!]

Looks like the Georgia trial will be televised. This will be even bigger than the OJ trial. Wall to wall coverage on all media platforms.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...-tv-rcna101014