Trump thread 2.0

[Qmx323]

Turns out "the shrinking middle" isn't just referring to classes

[pastarocket]

-was hoping for maybe, just maybe, Kamala Harris would be elected to be the 47th POTUS.

There goes any joy from hearing the rap song "Fuck Donald Trump"
by rapper YG

It's more like America fucked itself.

[Tapioca]

No matter what side of the spectrum you're on, if you support democracy, you have to be concerned with the continued erosion of faith in democratic institutions.

History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

The progressives haven't built a compelling enough case for the people who are struggling. They have also lost a generation of cis-gendered men who have been left behind and have been easily manipulated to support the Republican party. These are things they need to come to terms with sooner rather than later before they are silenced for a generation.

It's the people around Trump who are brighter and more nefarious that have the opportunity make a lasting impact on their country and the post-WWII international order.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

They're not the same thing.

Think on this for a moment: Trump spent the last 2 weeks (or... 5 years arguably) constantly saying the entire voting system is rigged, but then he won. So is it suddenly not rigged now?

Democracy not working is a way of describing the fact that people don't know what they're voting for anymore and don't understand the issues.

I'm under no pretense that the next governing party in Canada will be anyone besides the Conservative Party... that's a money in the bank bet. It's not necessarily for the right reasons though... it's going to happen because people have become extremely contrarian, which isn't the objective of a democracy.

If you’re some hillbilly in some southern state, do you think you’ll ever “understand the issues” ?

I’ve said this before in the Canadian politics thread, everything is so polarizing these days why should anyone try and understand these complex social issues and feel like they should be concerned?

If you’re broke AF, and Trump says he’s gonna do something for you, that’s probably enough to get your vote. Some guy in a trailer in rural Kentucky doesn’t give a fuck about like.. immigrant rights or abortion.

We’re coming to that in Canada as well, but Canada has done an even worse job of keeping educated people engaged in the issues. Here, like in the states, if someone says they are going to put more money in your pocket, that’s likely
Good enough to get their vote. People become less and less engaged because they are coming to realize nothing ever changes, so you might as well “feel” better off in terms of money in your hand over good feelings in your heart lol

[RevYouUp]

I don’t mind Trump winning. It’s like taboo or some shit if you want him to win around here lmao.

[unit]

trump is mocked around the entire world, not just here bro.

[Hondaracer]

What I’ll say in regards to democracy as well as the stiff two party system breeds this type of thing.

Use Canada as an example, even if I agree with some of Trudeau policies, there is not a chance in hell I would ever vote for him because A) I don’t like him or many of his party members and B) they have a track record of shitting the bed on issues I consider important.

Therefor, I have NO other option other than conservative.

It’s no different in the states, it’s even worse there. Are you Kamala or are you Trump? That’s it.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

No matter what side of the spectrum you're on, if you support democracy, you have to be concerned with the continued erosion of faith in democratic institutions.

History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

The progressives haven't built a compelling enough case for the people who are struggling. They have also lost a generation of cis-gendered men who have been left behind and have been easily manipulated to support the Republican party. These are things they need to come to terms with sooner rather than later before they are silenced for a generation.

It's the people around Trump who are brighter and more nefarious that have the opportunity make a lasting impact on their country and the post-WWII international order.

100 percent. What is even more concerning is that you have foreign elements, Russia for example, who use technology to manipulate voters into thinking that they should vote for Cheeto or not vote at all in the election. The erosion of democracy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fak...ns-2024-11-05/


There had to be some impact from the hoax bomb threats directed at polling stations in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

Foreign interference in elections in the U.S. and Canada, is real for sure.

Then you have the hillbillies in the U.S. South. I'll take Georgia for example.
You think that good 'ol Roscoe has the critical thinking skills to tell whether a bomb threat at a polling station is real or fake?

Probably not. Hillbillies would not have the mental capacity or like what Honda said even care much about the issues of a election in order to make an informed vote or even bother to vote haha.

-probably too busy making moonshine or hunting possum to even bother to vote.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If you’re some hillbilly in some southern state, do you think you’ll ever “understand the issues” ?

I’ve said this before in the Canadian politics thread, everything is so polarizing these days why should anyone try and understand these complex social issues and feel like they should be concerned?

If you’re broke AF, and Trump says he’s gonna do something for you, that’s probably enough to get your vote. Some guy in a trailer in rural Kentucky doesn’t give a fuck about like.. immigrant rights or abortion.

We’re coming to that in Canada as well, but Canada has done an even worse job of keeping educated people engaged in the issues. Here, like in the states, if someone says they are going to put more money in your pocket, that’s likely
Good enough to get their vote. People become less and less engaged because they are coming to realize nothing ever changes, so you might as well “feel” better off in terms of money in your hand over good feelings in your heart lol

You're really just talking about yourself though.

YOU vote with your wallet and you've made that abundantly clear that it's your priority and that you're perfectly happy to take all the advantages you possibly can (ie: moving to a financially advantageous country while simultaneously calling for obstructing other people's attempts to do the same).

Your politics are YOU politics.

I consider my wallet when I vote, but I don't vote because of it.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

You're really just talking about yourself though.

YOU vote with your wallet and you've made that abundantly clear that it's your priority and that you're perfectly happy to take all the advantages you possibly can (ie: moving to a financially advantageous country while simultaneously calling for obstructing other people's attempts to do the same).

Your politics are YOU politics.

I consider my wallet when I vote, but I don't vote because of it.

Voting otherwise is frivolous. As demonstrated here.

We voted in Turd and literally -none- of his platform has come to fruition. Over a decade.

So why would I vote for anything other than personal gain? Social issues never change.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Voting otherwise is frivolous. As demonstrated here.

We voted in Turd and literally -none- of his platform has come to fruition. Over a decade.

So why would I vote for anything other than personal gain? Social issues never change.

Again, not a fan of Trudeau, but this statement is completely and utterly false.

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

I guess you'll just switch topics again though.

[unit]

that's actually pretty weird to say none of his stuff came to fruition when the first thing he did was legalize weed

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Votes are still being counted but seems like Kamala got about 15m less votes than Biden did (81m v 66m) while Trump got 3m less than last time. Assuming there's a few million still to count that's still a huge dropout of voters from last time.

The turnout operation didn't work otherwise this likely would have been a landslide for Kamala.

This is the craziest thing that everyone is glossing over. What happened to the Democrat votes??? How can Kamala receive 15m less votes? Did the democrats simply just piss off their own voting bases so much that they simply didn’t vote?

[murd0c]

I knew this was going to happen all along, that's what happens when the Dem's toss in their own candidate that's biggest concern was smack talking how bad of a person Trump is. I think the American people are fed up of all the woke BS and tired of being told what they can and cant say and this election really showed it. Say what you want about Trump but he really is the typical American that everyone thinks everyone on the US is like.

With the close to 20million missing votes compared to four years ago you really have to think something was up, if Trump was elected then at least the Dems would still have the House and senate and nothing would of ever been passed. Now the Republicans have control of everything which is no question scary and if some kind of voter fraud did happen back then you could call this karma and hopefully things wont turn close to as bad as people think it will go.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by Alpine

This is the craziest thing that everyone is glossing over. What happened to the Democrat votes??? How can Kamala receive 15m less votes? Did the democrats simply just piss off their own voting bases so much that they simply didn’t vote?

Probably? Kamala was never popular despite them trying to get people like Oprah to pump her up. The media made it sound like she was doing great and then she got absolutely smoked.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

you have to be concerned with the continued erosion of faith in democratic institutions

brexit vote already cemented that

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

Again, not a fan of Trudeau, but this statement is completely and utterly false.

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

I guess you'll just switch topics again though.

lol fuck come on.. look at a chart like this and then look at the promised outlined in the initial campaign.

What some chart says, and reality are 2 different things. Where we are today as a country does not reflect the “promises” made back in the first election. ESPECIALLY when it comes to things like reconciliation, affordability, etc.

If you’re hanging your hat on some stupid social issues that he “achieved” VS tangible change that actually improves quality of life, that has been an abysmal failure by any measure.

Hey, he achieved destroying immigration, focusing heavily on rights and policies that affected fringe minority groups, but we’re all poorer and with worse access to service than ever before! Something must have gone right!

If it was between Trudeau and Trump in Canada, trump would likely win in a landslide here too because again, people are tired of the liberal BS. Besides being a completely unlikable person dragging his party into the grave, people have had enough of the social policies.

Edit* also L O fucking L on that chart when you start scrolling through the pages of the actual “achieved” markers there, holy fuck what a shit show we are hanging out hat on those items being the “achieved” portions Jesus Christ.

[Dbone]

Brexit drives me nuts. I'm still dealing with that shit at work.

What blows my mind as well is that a lot of old people voted for that, and many of those (like my aunt) are now dead. I don't think that vote would go through again but here we are.

100 years ago the Poles had to go into Ukraine to drive the Soviets out. It obviously didn't work out, but they seem to be arming up to do it again. Tump's win suddenly makes this 3 day special military operation look like it could spread in Europe, especially if he blows NATO up as he has hinted at.

And why wouldn't China take Taiwan?

[CivicBlues]

What's even more crazy is that states like NJ and VA, Kamala only won those by 4-5% points. That's fucking insane. The democratic base totally shit the bed and didn't leave the house. Almost 600K voters in NJ alone didn't bother to vote yesterday vs 2020.

[JD¹³]

Anyone who wasn't stuck in their own echo-chamber knew this was going to be the result. The Biden administration was terrible, and Harris as the 2IC did almost nothing within her role over the last four years. Suddenly she's going to make drastic changes when she takes over? No one genuinely believed her message.

Biden has been a real-life marionette for years. The debate and then his removal proves he hasn't been competent enough to be in charge for some time. The Democratic party and all the media networks were parroting that he was "sharp as a tac" for weeks and then immediately after he gets exposed at the debate they submarined their own candidate and tried to appoint Harris. Harris was not a democratically elected representative within her own party. She is one of the lowest rated VP's in US history and was blown out of every primary in her own bid to get the party nomination. This is the same game the Democrats pulled with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in 2016, and they achieved the same result.

If the Republicans had put up any other candidate this would have been an even bigger bloodbath than it is. The voter numbers prove that over 10 million past Democrat voters didn't come out for Harris. Tim Walz and the Democrats didn't even win his county in Minnesota! The writing was on the wall for this as soon as the televised debate ended and Democrats tried to install Harris as President. If you actually thought Harris had a chance and believed polls (see 2016 again) you need to reevaluate your views on American politics.

[unit]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

If the Republicans had put up any other candidate this would have been an even bigger bloodbath than it is.

doubt that. trump is the king of the republicans and even if he raped a baby the same people would still vote for him. in 4 years when a new candidate comes along there will be more division on the right since their king will be gone.

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

What's even more crazy is that states like NJ and VA, Kamala only won those by 4-5% points. That's fucking insane. The democratic base totally shit the bed and didn't leave the house. Almost 600K voters in NJ alone didn't bother to vote yesterday vs 2020.

Check out the most recent numbers. Obama won with mid 60m votes. Hillary received mid 60 million votes. Biden won with 81 million votes. And Kamala will receive mid 60 million votes.

Are you telling me that 20% of the Democratic Party will only vote for a white man for president??

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Probably? Kamala was never popular despite them trying to get people like Oprah to pump her up. The media made it sound like she was doing great and then she got absolutely smoked.

It’s even stranger than that . Obama mid 60 million votes. Hillary mid 60 million votes. Kamala mid 60 million votes. Biden 81 million votes. 20% of democrats will only vote for a white man?

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

lol fuck come on.. look at a chart like this and then look at the promised outlined in the initial campaign.

What some chart says, and reality are 2 different things. Where we are today as a country does not reflect the “promises” made back in the first election. ESPECIALLY when it comes to things like reconciliation, affordability, etc.

If you’re hanging your hat on some stupid social issues that he “achieved” VS tangible change that actually improves quality of life, that has been an abysmal failure by any measure.

Hey, he achieved destroying immigration, focusing heavily on rights and policies that affected fringe minority groups, but we’re all poorer and with worse access to service than ever before! Something must have gone right!

If it was between Trudeau and Trump in Canada, trump would likely win in a landslide here too because again, people are tired of the liberal BS. Besides being a completely unlikable person dragging his party into the grave, people have had enough of the social policies.

Edit* also L O fucking L on that chart when you start scrolling through the pages of the actual “achieved” markers there, holy fuck what a shit show we are hanging out hat on those items being the “achieved” portions Jesus Christ.

You want to have a look at Harper's? Was it that much better? It's the same shit.

15 pages instead of 105... guess he wasn't all that busy either even if you discern down to issues/year in office.

You forgot to address the fact that what you stated was patently false though? Just your own excuses for why it was okay to post false claims in a post as stated fact?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by sonick

What are the odds that JD Vance has to step in as President in some form or another within the next 4 years?

Whether it's health, impeachment/legal, assassination attempts could be multitudes of possibilities given his age among other things.

Impeachment / legal reasons as well as assassinations are extremely unlikely. GOP has control of the House and the Senate, and the Supreme Court has basically given the president free rein from getting prosecuted. Trump's Supreme Court Justice appointments are paying off big time (and have done so for him on multiple occasions).

Assassination attempts are also extremely unlikely because SS protection for a sitting president will be vastly more stringent than that for an ex-president.

The only thing we can count on is health issues. I said the same thing about Biden as well -- if he had won a 2nd term, I don't think he would be able to live through that 2nd term. Given Trump's age and the weariness you see in him during the most recent stretch of the campaign, I'd say he has a higher chance to not live through his 2nd term than to do so. But that means we will see a President Vance coming into the picture, and that scares me just as much as what is happening now with a 2nd Trump presidency.