To be fair, Tump's team has successfully argued in court that Biden can legally kill Trump, and anyone associated with him.

:pokerface:

(probably best if he doesn't though)

Find me a person who lives better under Turd than they did Harper.

Also if you “achieve” a bunch of these micro promises but miserably fail on the majority of your major polices that actually affect the vast majority of your population, you’re a failure.

Like one of the “achieved” markers that popped up was achieving engagement and supporting rural communities in Canada. Would -anyone- in those rural communities agree that this was achieved?

Also, by what measure is 40% a success? lol it’s a failing grade.

Enough of the Canadian politics though in the Trump thread, we can take it to the other one. The comparisons are apt though.

eh, you still completely lied when you said this:

"We voted in Turd and literally -none- of his platform has come to fruition. Over a decade."

You.
Me.
Most of the people on here?

If you say your life hasn't progressed financially at a greater rate from 2015-2024 compared to 2006-2015 that's an outright lie just based on your age alone.

Sure it’s hyperbole, I’m just yapping.

However as I’ve posted before in the other thread, and you can pull up articles on his 2016 platform. Those major goals have all been failures. All of them.

That’s a pretty fucking low bar that my career and earnings have progressed over a decade therefore I live better lol..

I’d argue that I had more disposable income previously, and that friends and family had more optimism and confidence in the future than they do now.

As with most things, if you don’t own a home currently, you are WAY worse off now than then.

So I jumped the gun a bit when I said turnout was real bad for Kamala. Right now 89% of the votes have been counted so far so expect another 15m in total to show up and most of that is from the western 3 states.

The way it's going in those states Kamala should get about 8-9m of those votes which puts her around 75-76m votes and Trump will end up around 78-79m - that's more than he got last time (74m) and Kamala lost about 6m votes compared to Biden.

Total turnout will be slightly worse than last election but not a huge difference - it wouldn't have been enough for the Dems to win.

Right. Just keep moving the goalposts instead of admitting pretty much all your political posts are non-factual hyperbole.

A day has passed therefore I’m older.

Awesome, what a great life.

So you accuse people of voting for Kamala because of "teh FEelz" but that's exactly the same logic you use with Trudeau. "I feel like people were more optimistic before him" "I felt like I had more disposible income" -when it's obvious you have more expenses now as a middle aged adult vs 10 years ago. I mean no shit.

Well guess what? I'm going to wager you're going to feel less and less optimistic no matter who's in office because we're all turning into old curmudgeonly men. It's just a function of age.

I had the exact same type of conversation with my Alberta realtor... who is a nice guy overall with good intentions...

Him: Can't wait til the Cons are in so they can fix our shit economy
Me: But you just tok delivery of a 911 GTS and a 911 GT3RS 3 months apart from each other... like what $800k in cars?
Him: Yah but taxes, and what about other people they're way worse off
Me: Which of your friends are worse off? Or just people you don't know and you're saying it because you think it's true?
Him: Regular people housing is so expensive and needs to come down
Me: You literally had your best financial year ever and bought 2 Porsche's precisely because of houses being expensive! And you want the Cons to fix that so you make less money or more money? Which is it?
Him: They just need to go okay? Trudeau is terrible. Sick of woke shit and immigration.

Like... fuck lol make up your mind what you even want... the truth eventually comes out. Xenophobia and racism/classism problems.

Yeah I dunno,

I've had consistent raises and bonuses YOY, I currently have more work on hand than I have had in the last 10 years and I'm pulling record margins.

Maybe I live in an isolated world, but I certainly haven't seen this "shit economy"

That’s the nice liberal spin that if you support conservative parties I must be some bigoted asshole as opposed to wanting rationale laws and reform for the judicial system etc. because I understand the vast majority of social issues never achieve tangible change regardless of the party in power.

I can agree that yea, you guys are right I am better off now sure, I’ve progressed my career, I’ve put in work over that time, I have the best job I’ve had and make the most money, absolutely. Is that due to govt. intervention or really any policy a govt. has promoted or achieved in their tenure? Not really. But I can accept that I’m where I’m at due to the bigger picture.

However, I think most of us here are unique in that situation as we are mostly in the same age range, same or similar income bracket, similar education levels. Etc.

We are all likely the exception not really the norm. For people who are legitimately struggling it’s not really hard to see when a party dangles a carrot in front of you of improving your sad life and putting money in your pocket, why you would give them your vote. Whether that’s misguided or not.

The states is one thing because obviously in terms of the tangible items such as market performance, jobs, etc. Biden has almost across the board improved those items. However, much like Trump through Covid, do you chalk that up to simply coming out of the pandemic and the resulting bump that gives to almost any and all sectors?

In Canada though we’ve been kinda sitting on a sinking ship to some degree and people like us can talk like we do here but in reality we’re all perfectly fine, happy, we’ve got good jobs and money etc. maybe not as much as we feel like we should have, nor are we likely living a standard of life we probably should given our wealth. But for people who aren’t on this level, you probably live a far more miserable life in major Canadian cities than your counter parts across the border.

Also to this point, not all my friends and colleagues my age with similar statuses I discussed in the previous message fall under this assumption.

Many who are making 60-70-90k a year are legitimately miserable people with not much of a future to look forward to as they didn’t get into the housing market when I did, and now feel essentially hopeless for their futures as they do not have the capacity to make enough money to fund a lifestyle they had envisioned for themselves.

And is that Trudeau fault? Probably not, but as I’ve always said, when things are perceived to be bad/worse than before people will vote against the incumbent for the hope change might actually take place.

Frankly even if everything was to stay the same I’d vote for anyone over Trudeau because I think the guy, as a person, it a total fucking clown/pussy and he’s not respected by anyone. It’s like having Naslind as the captain of the canucks, yea sure I guess he’s my captain, but I don’t like it nor do I think he’s suited for the role

lol, what an unintentionally poignant statement.

For every person able to fund a lifestyle they had envisioned for themselves (whatever that actually means), there are tens/hundreds/thousands/millions who are objectively worse off then that person, literally since the beginning of time. But yes, this is all the government's fault.

When it comes to spending huge portions of your income on simply having a roof over your head, I’d say yea, part of that blame lies on the govt. yes.

just be specific about what you think trump is about to do for the middle class?
put it in point form so we can grade him on it in a few years.

ok, but I'm fairly certain your friends' definition of a lifestyle doesn't mean "simply having a roof".

From CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/polit...omy/index.html

He has said he would temporarily cap credit card interest rates at around 10%, which is less than half the current rate.

-And Trump promised to make the interest paid on car loans fully tax deductible, similar to the popular existing deduction for mortgage interest.

While he argues this will stimulate car ownership, some experts say it will mainly help wealthier Americans who itemize their deductions – and who typically buy more expensive cars.

-To assist aging seniors and their family members, Trump has said he would push for a tax credit for family caregivers. Also, he would shift resources to at-home care and end disincentives that lead to care worker shortages, according to his platform.

-Trump’s running mate, Ohio Sen. JD Vance, has floated beefing up the child tax credit to $5,000 per child, but the president-elect has not formally adopted that idea.

-End federal and state taxes on tips

Virtually all tipped workers would get some tax relief if Trump also gets rid of payroll taxes on tips, the Tax Policy Center found. However, these workers would then get smaller Social Security payments after they retire.

Why? These same taxes are used to fund Social Security payments for retired Americans. Hmmm.


-No taxes on Social Security benefits.

I think this marks me walking away from American politics for a bit (I lie I probably can't myself). I had a feeling he would win, and my comments marked that earlier.

Trump won the popular vote and electoral college which no one would've ever guessed. Harris was fundamentally an unpopular choice, she lost 10 million votes that Biden received back in 2020 (meanwhile the media was telling us about record turnout). They were wrong.

It shows people didn't care enough to show up for her, plain and simple, people didn't show up. They will look back and regret not having a proper primary to get the enthusiasm going for a selected candidate by the public. Let's also be real here, sexism is alive and strong in America, they may never vote in a woman as leader, and the Democrats should learn from this one. We may never see a female candidate in our lifetime win a presidential election, and maybe everyone just has to accept that. Americans are not the Europeans in which they don't find female leadership so problematic.

People are saying this election was decided by white incels, and I believe part of that is true. Many exit polls were from first time voters, young white men that are angry about the country's current direction, woke stuff, masculinity, etc.

Harris made a major mistake not prioritizing going onto Rogan given the amount of exit poll voters indicating they voted because of Trump appearing on the podcast. I'm not saying this would win the election for her, but it would've helped far greater than having a damn Beyonce concert in Houston for fuck sakes.

The Democrats need to do some serious internal soul searching, progressives need to realize that the world hasn't moved as far as we have, we spent too much time prioritizing LGBT/Trans/Female focused agenda items. The reality is women vote against their own best interests, and they're not a reliable voting populace (just like young folks). More women voted for Trump than Harris, women tend to vote like their spouses, we need to stop thinking we can rely on them to skew differently, they won't.

Democrats/progressives (this is in Canada too) need to pivot to a more populist message that involves men, and can appeal to white men specifically. We need a progressive MAGA movement of such, how we do that needs to be figured out, but we should start by completely dumping all this highly specific lefty cultural crap that only appeases to such a small demographic of the electorate. Lots of reckoning to be had here.

There isn't much silver lining here, at least we know this will be the last 4 years of Trump, he has the house and senate, so we'll see if these bastards can reposition the economy to help the middle class (they won't, but at least idiots will have to prove it).

Get ready for the rich to get richer, the country to move more conservative, the Supreme Court will be fucked for our lifetimes, but hey, you get the government that you deserve, and the US chose this direction.

Let them have it.

So do we need pp now to argue with Trump? Since everyone is saying trudeau is weak. 2 loud mouths at each other? They can each bring home the bring homes and bring each other home? Make North America great again? :pokerface::lawl:

I also think that Biden should get a lot of blame for the Democrats losing the White House.

From what I hear in the news reports, Biden's assistants, his aides, urged him after the 2023 US mid term elections to quit from making a campaign for re-election.

Of course, we all know that Sleepy Joe initially refused to quit. Stubborn old guy had too much pride, hubris, to step away from a re-election campaign.

Then when many people witnessed Biden's meltdown in the TV debates with Cheeto, the Democrats went into panic mode.

Biden's inner circle, including his wife Dr. Jill Biden, urged him to quit a re-election campaign after that debate shitshow.

It was during this time that the biggest donors to the Democrats threatened to pull their campaign funding from the party.

Joe should have swallowed his pride and make a decision after the 2023 U.S. mid term elections to quit a re-election campaign.

The dude has memory problems, sometimes cannot put two sentences together in a conversations, and falls asleep during meetings. He is not physically and mentally fit to continue being a President.

If Biden quit a re-election campaign earlier, the Democrats would have more time to help Kamala form her election team, and work out any kinks in her campaign instead of being rushed for time. Kamala and her team only had 110 days before election day to run a campaign.

It would also have given more time for American voters to get to know Kamala better.

My stocks are ripping today, thanks Trump

I just hear besides abortion and women's rights, Kamala didn't really have any policies that she really announced, wars, economy etc. also her hands are tied from previous Biden policies. clearly USA doesn't care about women's rights. Let's see how those 100% China tariffs will do.

I wonder if there's gonna be a new China Europe alliance. Cuz they haven't really recovered from the pandemic, war and honestly can't afford to play tariff games.

Yes we do: the economy tanked

Exactly.

Whoever was in power after covid was bound to be fucked. Thankfully it didn't tank as much as it would have had this happened in 2020.

Agreed.

BTW where was this energy before the election? Oh, you also didn't think Trump would win by so much. Nobody did.