Trump thread 2.0

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Most reasonable people would agree, a lot of this "culture war" stuff has gotten bad. Not as bad as the Rogans and Elons say, but enough to be irritating.

Enough to vote in literally the worst candidate in history though? Enough to say fuck it, just burn everything to the ground?

yes.

that is my point. because all those other topics you guys talk about are actually so advanced and above everyone's heads (including your guys's)... that this woke stuff which AFFECTS THEIR EMOTIONS DIRECTLY... is the most relatable thing that all of them can unite on.

I never said they're stupid... well they might be, but so are the left LOL. I guess most people are but that's beside the point.

listen, people are willing to get into fist fights over how a stranger "looks" at you.

you don't have to get into advanced academic topics to understand, people will scratch an itch.

the biggest itch that everyone can relate to, and it's very fucking itchy... is the woke stuff.

remember, entertainment is actually a very important industry in terms of emotional output. people wanna choose the entertainment they watch, and escape.

when you start injecting it into... work... school... entertainment...

when metrics on performance start to be measured by how woke you are...

it is literally fucking with their emotions. you cannot do that for too long before they turn on you.

oops too late, they turned on them LOL.

this woke stuff is equivalent to to a religion. imagine if society started to force a religion down your throat. that's literally how people feel. it's not hard to understand. in fact, it should be quite obvious.

stupid people... to smart people... no one likes that feeling.

[unit]

you can just insert black people into this topic and it would literally be the same conversation we had about civil rights in the 20th century.

[JDMDreams]

They recently installed a napkin disposal at work in the men's rooms. And I'm like WTF is this. Where's my urinal in the women's washroom?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Most reasonable people would agree, a lot of this "culture war" stuff has gotten bad. Not as bad as the Rogans and Elons say, but enough to be irritating.

because maybe you have not been directly negatively affected by it.

Elon's case is obvious with his son.

imagine you have gotten in trouble at work because of a conflicting woke topic...

imagine you have had people yell at you or berate you because of a woke topic.

imagine reading some of your friends posts "if you support trump, unfriend me"

a lot of people have been directly affected by it.

[unit]

idk about you guys but a tampon dispenser has never offended me at any point in my life lol

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by unit

you can just insert black people into this topic and it would literally be the same conversation we had about civil rights in the 20th century.

it's totally not. if you equate it to that, you are looking at it from a very simple point of view.

[westopher]

I mean, you might not think it adds to the plot, but for the gay 14 year old who's never seen a movie about two dudes in a rom com it might mean the world to see some representation.
Look how crazy Asian people went when crazy rich Asians came out or parasite. It's good that it meant a lot to a group. I didn't give a shit, but that doesn't mean it isn't still cool that a group was happy about it. There's no shortage of movies about straight white ugly dudes getting hot chicks. Hell there's enough of them just with Adam sandler in it.
As you said though, the idea of people using this to justify real world actions is a joke and as much as ulic thinks it's smart, because lots of people do it, just means more people are easily manipulated than we expected.
Edit: this was for traum

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by westopher

I mean, you might not think it adds to the plot, but for the gay 14 year old who's never seen a movie about two dudes in a rom com it might mean the world to see some representation.

yeah he can click on the gay section of whatever media he is watching.

mainstream, should be for the mainstream. the majority.

it is why they don't fucking show super artistic stuff in AVX and IMAX theaters... you have to seek that shit out at film festivals and shit, because it is for the minority.

the majority don't want to see that stuff.

[westopher]

lol then don't go you fuckin idiot.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Traum

Yes, people are sick of the woke shxt. I am too. I think the movement is over-correcting for the past mistakes and neglect. I don't need to see non-homosexual couples being forced into a movie / TV series when that non-homosexual relationship contributes absolutely nothing to the plot. I don't need to see every ethnicity being represented in any kind of public campaign.

(Healthcare would probably be an exception bcos non-white races are more often overlooked when they develop symptoms for illnesses)

But being anti-woke shouldn't have been a valid reason to vote for such a POS convicted felon / racist / facist to be their president. Doing so speaks volumes about their level of intelligence.

See, this I disagree with. Gay people exist in the world, so they should exist on TV shows that portray the world. The reason they didn't before is because of the Ulics in the world, and the angry boys who fuel each others' hate.

People born before the 00's have been conditioned most of their lives to be uncomfortable with gay people, and like Ulic says, a lot of them are filled with hatred and "sick of it all" as they feed each other in a feedback loop.

For us older folks, we have to put effort in being more open minded. So on a TV series that has maybe 4 or 5 couples, maybe one of them is a gay couple. If you walk around the mall and see 4 or 5 couples, maybe one of them is a gay couple. And that's fine.

Also there are a lot of non whites in the world, so it makes sense that they'd be portrayed in popular culture as well. Ulic's angry boys may get so mad about it that they'll vote for a fascist, but that's just stating the why, not really a solution. Saying "you're wrong" over and over isn't going to make people see his way. We already fucking know, we've been saying it for years in this thread. The country has been in a fucked up place for centuries, and needs to grow up a bit. Some people will fight it, but that comes with the territory. Right now there's still enough people fighting it, and the other side apathetic about it, so here we are.

[underscore]

There's never been more variety of media available more easily to more people in the world than now. If you're too fragile to handle a show with a minority in it just watch something else.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by underscore

There's never been more variety of media available more easily to more people in the world than now. If you're too fragile to handle a show with a minority in it just watch something else.

But I can only watch Marvel and Star Wars

[Dbone]

One more downside of Trump getting back in is that the woke bullshit is going to get worse. All the extreme forms of this that most people find repellent is going to get worse and louder as a reaction to the invasive and inflammatory rhetoric coming from the White House.

We can't calm the fuck down when it means crazy hateful attitudes go unchecked.

And this is all wonderful for them because it allows them to rob the American public blind as they are distracted by the culture wars.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by westopher

lol then don't go you fuckin idiot.

yeah but it's seeped it's way into mainstream franchises that were not like that before... if you haven't noticed lol.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

But I can only watch Marvel and Star Wars

This is why ulic is having such a hard time.
Crazy though, I've still never watched a gay rom com and I wouldn't even be offended by it. How hard are you seeking out being upset about something?
Like 2 black dudes in a banking commercial is gonna upset you? How are you even still alive at this age if that's the case?

[unit]

let me guess it bothered you when little mermaid was a black girl as if being white was part of her personality in the cartoon? she was half fish ffs. i would understand why having a black William Wallace in Braveheart 2 - Black in Bagpipes would make zero sense, but otherwise these things don't bother normal people. seeing a gay couple in a movie without being them being gay a central part of the plot should be absolutely normalized.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol everything you guys talk about is very leftist internet echo chamber...

most of the world does not feel the same way. so any reasoning and replies you guys type out... you're literally ice skating up hill.

youre trying to reason with why it's "right".

no one cares whether it's right or wrong... they simply don't like it, and any reasoning you have wont change their minds or the world.

it's not about right or wrong. it's about what people want.

and they want what I've said.

the majority should not have to seek out media and entertainment made for the majority, they should be able to turn on the tv or whatever it is, and 99.99% chance they will see what is catered to them.

it is the minority that has to be willing to go through 100 channels to find what they wanna watch, because THEY are the MINORITY. it's as simple as that.

convenience should always be prioritized to the majority.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by unit

seeing a gay couple in a movie without being them being gay a central part of the plot should be absolutely normalized.

and you just highlighted the issue people have. because it is always a central part of the plot now.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by unit

let me guess it bothered you when little mermaid was a black girl as if being white was part of her personality in the cartoon? she was half fish ffs. i would understand why having a black William Wallace in Braveheart 2 - Black in Bagpipes would make zero sense, but otherwise these things don't bother normal people. seeing a gay couple in a movie without being them being gay a central part of the plot should be absolutely normalized.

There's not much point in arguing about it here.. Ulic is right that a lot of people feel the same way he does. Those people were inspired by Trump to go vote, and that's that.

The average person needs to be more willing to push back on it when it's time, that's all. Joe Rogan has the Ulics thinking they are the silent majority, but it's the other way around. The silent majority don't give a fuck about tampons or gay people existing or black superheroes on TV.

The Democrats failed at rallying the in betweeners who haven't been pilled, but also weren't inspired by what they had to offer. Next time around they have to find someone who can inspire them. If there is a next time.

[Hondaracer]

I’ve legitimately as a grown adult now never once thought twice about a gay, or trans character in the vast majority of movies, shows and content I watch

However (omg he’s about to be a biggot!!!) if you want representation equivalent to reality in media, you don’t get multiple trans people in some whacked out show, you don’t get people using pronouns in the star wars universe like ffs honestly.. you have multiple series coming out of Disney in a row introducing some trans character, what percentage of Star Wars viewers is trans? Less than 0.5 of a percent? Oh and Disney is a wonderful roll model we should all admire and love (how much $$$ did they make off Trump?)

The US obviously has malicious intent to some of their bigotry which I will never agree with or stand for but in Canada, we’ve gone so far in that direction frankly to the detriment of women’s rights and progressing equality between men and women.

Why would some govt. org token hire a competent woman when they could hire a trans native person? lol I’ve seen it myself both in the public and private sector.

What you see in media has always felt like this trap that I mentioned before of if you roll your eyes or think this is “too much” then even that sets off people.

Same thing will happen in Canada and for a lot of the same reasons Ulic is talking about. Us here have far more civilized and coherent conversations than the vast majority going on out there about these topics, believe me.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by unit

let me guess it bothered you when little mermaid was a black girl as if being white was part of her personality in the cartoon? she was half fish ffs. i would understand why having a black William Wallace in Braveheart 2 - Black in Bagpipes would make zero sense, but otherwise these things don't bother normal people. seeing a gay couple in a movie without being them being gay a central part of the plot should be absolutely normalized.

I think taking the this route really dumbs down the argument being made here.

No one cares about that shit. It’s the non-stop bombardment and people are -checked out- honestly to the detriment of any social gains made in the last decade or so.

Like I said in the Canada thread, you thought Kamala giving a gender reassignment surgery to felons was a crazy idea? It happened here in Canada for a man who murdered a 6 year old and raped a 3 month old. Damn im like such a biggot for not accepting that

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

The silent majority don't give a fuck about tampons or gay people existing or black superheroes on TV.

im not too sure of that to be honest...

and im being real here. I think those things you dismiss as being not important are actually more important than you think.

if you asked 10000 random people and they could reply with full honesty, anonymously without repercussions... I think you'd be surprised how many people would rate these things as "I feel negatively toward it".

or a definite "I don't care, but I definitely dont support/promote it".

[westopher]

The thing is, people have such a narrow viewpoint about that. For every DEI trans indigenous hire there are 400 other jobs that wouldn't have considered that person. The odds are still by a long shot stacked in our favour as "normal" people.
If they weren't, you wouldn't know who I was talking about when I said "normal"

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

Yes, people are sick of the woke shxt. I am too. I think the movement is over-correcting for the past mistakes and neglect. I don't need to see non-homosexual couples being forced into a movie / TV series when that non-homosexual relationship contributes absolutely nothing to the plot. I don't need to see every ethnicity being represented in any kind of public campaign.

Is it though? I live in a bubble - I don't have a single close gay friend and I know only 1 transgender person (a coworker whom I've never spoken to). I have a single Black friend (half-black) who grew up in Point Grey and I have zero hispanic friends. None of my GVRD friends make less than $100k/yr and the bulk are in tech. I was raised to think Indigenous folks were just a bunch of drunks who were not a part of society.

So when I see under-represented groups on TV or other media it's easy for me to question why they're there b/c my reality doesn't look anything like reality. The numbers say 10% of the population is gay and that doesn't match my experience at all so when 10% of the characters on TV are gay it does raise a flag to me but it's not reality - the problem is me and my understanding of what normal is.

It's the same for those mid-western folks who fear gays and minorities - those folks largely fled from those places b/c they were unwelcome and now the reality of the mid-westerner looks totally different to reality.

I don't think the woke movement is making anything up or over-correcting - they're just reflecting the real reality of how diverse our society is.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by westopher

The thing is, people have such a narrow viewpoint about that. For every DEI trans indigenous hire there are 400 other jobs that wouldn't have considered that person. The odds are still by a long shot stacked in our favour as "normal" people.
If they weren't, you wouldn't know who I was talking about when I said "normal"

let's take that 1/400 ratio as fact for example sake.

perhaps they have hit the 1/400 ratio and now realise that is where society gets mad.

perhaps it should be 1/1000?