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It's really spilt milk at this point. No use arguing about it per se. Truth is there are multiple reasons why people voted Trump ... it's an interesting theory that Ulic put out that the major factor was 'wokeness' but it is insightful to hear it 'straight from the horse's mouth' per se. In reality, there were too many segments and groups to 'please', men, women, black, white, latinos, Asians, racists, Christian right, hillbilies, lefties, Jewish $$$, Palestinian and Arab immigrants in certain states, women's rights/abortion, educated, urban city, rural, immigrants, working class, middle class, wealthy, etc.
There will be lots of analytics in the weeks and months ahead.
The Dems better get working today or tomorrow on 2028 and shape or form a worthy candidate to put on a ticket. I don't see Harris being on 2028.
It's a bit of a stretch to blame Indian students for our rent and housing woes. The real issue started over a decade ago, when money from overseas poured into Canadian real estate with little regulation or oversight. And lets not forget the role of boomers, many of whom have leveraged home equity to purchase investment properties, contributing to rising property values and limited supply.
The boomers voting for progressives is the biggest unexpected shift over the past couple of years. Their influence is finally coming to an end as they start to die off and unload their assets to their nepobabies (*cough* millennials).
This election was a middle finger from GenZ to the boomers.
And the grifters are laughing all the way to the bank.
The Democrats should really retire Harris for the next round. She lost resoundingly to Trump, and I'd say that's enough of a signal that she should quit.
Been listening to some post election analysis on how the Trump administration would likely affect Canada, and aside from the expected economic pressures from tariffs, CUSMA review, and Trump's low key hostility towards Turd and US-Canada relations, an important point was made about pressures on military spendings. Trump is well known to pressure NATO and other US partners to up their military spendings and meet NATO spending targets, and in this regard, Canada has been an absolute disgrace. The NATO GDP spending target is 2% for member countries, and Canada currently spends an absymally low 1.29% of our GDP on the military.
We really have no excuse not to spend more -- our military forces are too small and spread too thin, and getting deployed far too often to help with disaster assistance and such (within Canada). Their equipment are old and prone to failure. The international community rightfully view our military as a joke, and our military partners also rightfully view us as a free loader.
The problem is we don't have the money to properly fund the military. To meet the NATO target would require a 55% increase in military spendings. With a gloomy economic outlook from the looming Trump administration, increasing military spending is gonna be even more difficult, but under pressure from Trump, I don't see how we can escape the responsibility.
So if military spendings go up, it's gonna be some sort of combination of cuting spending elsewhere as well as hiking taxes.
Yes, you're totally right, though it wasn't only the ones from China/Hong Kong.
There is a big difference now though. Back then most people could have owned a house to sell. Now many don't so when prices go up the owners still pack their bags with cash and move out and the rest just get left behind.
That's why people are upset. The 'rest' are almost all of the millennials and younger. That cohort is WAY larger than the boomers/X who couldn't get a slice of land.
Well, that's just privilege... they feel that because they grew up here, they deserve to own a house where they grew up. Logically, if you can't afford a place, you should move elsewhere but they choose to stay and complain about it.
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"Damn fine car Dodge... Ran over me wife with a Dodge!", Zeke
bitcoin has gone from 12k to 100k+ during the biden admin. not sure what you're smoking.
I have a few friends who try to pull the same mental gymnastics and it does drive me crazy. It makes zero sense when looking at the big picture but I suspect it makes them feel like they are smarter than everyone else and so on they go.
I don't know anything about Hondaracer other than knowing he's got a massive boner for Trudeau, but my friends who are like this all seem to fit in the same boat. Massive underachievers who can't understand why their peers have rocketed ahead of them in life, despite them feeling or maybe even being more intelligent than their peers.
These guys all feel they know something the rest of us don't and the more push back they get more sure they are. It just leads to an unhealthy contrarian view which is self-destructive for them and our society.
Trump is just a symptom of this, though he also seems to amplify it along with Musk, Fox news, etc.
The Democrats should really retire Harris for the next round. She lost resoundingly to Trump, and I'd say that's enough of a signal that she should quit.
While I don't think Harris was a great candidate I don't think that's what did her in - she had to carry the baggage of an unpopular President and deal with an electorate unhappy with inflation.
Many people have real material grievances (e.g., housing, high cost of living) that to them is not being addressed by the Democratic leadership…They have been extremely dissatisfied by the leadership that, to them, is "not really interested in solving their economic problems." The appeal to identity politics and threat of fascism (the main campaign message of Harris) does not resonate with them. They have just completely lost faith in the Democratic Party, and the only alternative for them (because we are a two-party system) is the Republicans. One interviewee said, "They promised and then they sold us out" (rough translation). One woman who went door-to-door campaigning for Obama in 2008 and 2012 went 180 in 2016 and completely disdained Democrats. She said, “I almost lost my house. I'm in debt. I have lost trust in their ability to deliver.”
I'm not sure she was any worse a candidate than Biden but I'm sure, given time, that the Democrats could have found a better candidate but even then I'm not sure they win. I think you'd need 3rd term Obama or a 20 years younger Bill Clinton to win.
I have a few friends who try to pull the same mental gymnastics and it does drive me crazy. It makes zero sense when looking at the big picture but I suspect it makes them feel like they are smarter than everyone else and so on they go.
I don't know anything about Hondaracer other than knowing he's got a massive boner for Trudeau, but my friends who are like this all seem to fit in the same boat. Massive underachievers who can't understand why their peers have rocketed ahead of them in life, despite them feeling or maybe even being more intelligent than their peers.
These guys all feel they know something the rest of us don't and the more push back they get more sure they are. It just leads to an unhealthy contrarian view which is self-destructive for them and our society.
Trump is just a symptom of this, though he also seems to amplify it along with Musk, Fox news, etc.
It’s just funny to see people like you get their panties in a bunch hehe
Markets always rip after an election almost regardless of the party that wins. So of course I’m just being silly
However, the same can be applied to those articles saying all the top billionaires added X amount of wealth in a day. The same would have happened if Kamala had won, probably to a lesser degree than Trump however.
Btw, I take being called an “underachiever” a compliment because in my mind I’ve over achieved massively to live in a situation like HEHE says where I live without financial stress and I’m able to make friends and family happy. Hope you can say the same
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I'm not saying you're an underachiever, I don't know you at all. Sounds like you might be a bit of a troll though.
Btw, my panties are safely aligned. However I do kind of miss my MAGA friends. It's just impossible to talk to them without some sort of bat shit crazy idea coming up.
I'm not really surprised that 99 likes Trump, as I'd say a vast majority of NHL players and fans lean to the right. The NHL even banned Pride tape last year, which shows who their target audience is. It’s similar with baseball.
I'm not saying you're an underachiever, I don't know you at all. Sounds like you might be a bit of a troll though.
Btw, my panties are safely aligned. However I do kind of miss my MAGA friends. It's just impossible to talk to them without some sort of bat shit crazy idea coming up.
This is one of the very few platforms I talk politics on so when I type I think it probably comes out sounding crazier or far more involved than I actually am.
In my regular life I live under the assumption that all politicians are shit and no one is ever going to do anything tangible for you, socially or financially, so I don’t think about it too much.
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Speaking of the stock market, as Hondaracer mentioned, markets always rally after elections. But let’s be honest, the market was already doing well before the election, and, just like in 2016, Trump will inherit a booming stock market.
It’ll also be interesting to see how long the bromance between Trump and Elon lasts. I get the sense it won’t last long, as Elon loves the spotlight, and there’s no chance Trump will let him steal it from him. Trump’s loyalty is to one person: himself.
The Democrats should really retire Harris for the next round. She lost resoundingly to Trump, and I'd say that's enough of a signal that she should quit.
Buttigieg should be their guy - but they can't even bust through the glass ceiling w a woman, america is decades away (boomer extinction) from voting in a gay man.
I think that's why Pete has the kind of swagger he has in interviews. He knows he'll never get the call so he can play it as he sees it.
Easily the most likeable, professional dem in the roster right now. And he served too which is an automatic bump. If he was willing to have a fake family like JD he'd be a shoe in.
Well, that's just privilege... they feel that because they grew up here, they deserve to own a house where they grew up. Logically, if you can't afford a place, you should move elsewhere but they choose to stay and complain about it.
You are not wrong, I'm just saying it upsets people.
I moved from Vancouver and I'd be upset if it wasn't for the fact that I did it after making bank on my condo, and found a great place to live.
Buttigieg should be their guy - but they can't even bust through the glass ceiling w a woman, america is decades away (boomer extinction) from voting in a gay man.
I think that's why Pete has the kind of swagger he has in interviews. He knows he'll never get the call so he can play it as he sees it.
Easily the most likeable, professional dem in the roster right now. And he served too which is an automatic bump. If he was willing to have a fake family like JD he'd be a shoe in.
He's on the list, and so is Newsom. There's also Shapiro from PA, who I think should have been Harris' VP. The issue was that he's Jewish, and they were worried that might hurt them. Michigan Gov Whitmer could be a good pick if they want to run another woman, but it would be risky to try for a third time. The Democrats need fresh faces, someone younger who can appeal to moderate voters.
As for the Republicans, let's see how it plays out. With Trump out, there's JD Vance, though he has less national appeal than Harris. There will be plenty of other Republicans putting their names in the mix. The big question will be where the MAGA movement stands in 4 years and whether a candidate other than Trump can bring them to the polls.
^They will not run another woman for at least a few election cycles, they'd be insane if they did. Pete is good but he has similar issues, America won't vote for a gay man (at least I don't think so).
Gavin Newsom 2028 -- he's been my guy for a while now, I think he has the tools to be successful. He's not afraid to go into the dirt and debate on Fox News against Republicans, he has the look, and the governor of the largest state in the country.
I've said for a while he'd be a great choice. His biggest liability might be him being a Californian, although if Trump can beat the "coastal" detriment, so can he. He might also get attacked on some of the "woke" stuff he's pushed through in California, and maybe some of his corporate ties, but I think that's something he can easily pivot.
He's on the list, and so is Newsom. There's also Shapiro from PA, who I think should have been Harris' VP. The issue was that he's Jewish, and they were worried that might hurt them. Michigan Gov Whitmer could be a good pick if they want to run another woman, but it would be risky to try for a third time. The Democrats need fresh faces, someone younger who can appeal to moderate voters.
As for the Republicans, let's see how it plays out. With Trump out, there's JD Vance, though he has less national appeal than Harris. There will be plenty of other Republicans putting their names in the mix. The big question will be where the MAGA movement stands in 4 years and whether a candidate other than Trump can bring them to the polls.
Newsom drips California. that's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of the country
Shaprio - you said why.
Whitmer - can't believe they'll try another woman for a long time.
There's a lot of reasons why Harris didn't make the cut, but how many millions of people will just never vote for a woman no matter what. Even if that's just staying home instead of voting the other choice - doesn't help.
Dems need another Obama ASAP. And it pains me to type it out, but he needs to be white.
300 million people and they can't find anybody under 80 that actually wants the job.
I have a few friends who try to pull the same mental gymnastics and it does drive me crazy. It makes zero sense when looking at the big picture but I suspect it makes them feel like they are smarter than everyone else and so on they go.
I don't know anything about Hondaracer other than knowing he's got a massive boner for Trudeau, but my friends who are like this all seem to fit in the same boat. Massive underachievers who can't understand why their peers have rocketed ahead of them in life, despite them feeling or maybe even being more intelligent than their peers.
These guys all feel they know something the rest of us don't and the more push back they get more sure they are. It just leads to an unhealthy contrarian view which is self-destructive for them and our society.
Trump is just a symptom of this, though he also seems to amplify it along with Musk, Fox news, etc.
The Bitcoin bros are INSUFFERABLE.
I have a number of them as friends, same story, underachievers, mad at the world, took a gamble on throwing some money at Bitcoin years ago and made some bank (upwards of $100K and more), now they act like they're some kind of economic savants while posting about Trump in their stories on the weekly.
The crazy thing is many of them are minorities -- Filipino, Brown, Persian, Black, Chinese, etc.
Trump could bomb and extradite everyone from their countries tomorrow and they'd still be celebrating the man because they made a profit in crypto.
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