Trump thread 2.0

[SkinnyPupp]

I noticed a lot of assumptions that just because people are anti-MAGA or even anti-Republican, it automatically means they are pro Democrat or Biden or Harris.

[68style]

It don't matter, they knew full well voting for this fucker was enabling those people and putting various groups in danger.

The least you can say is that it's wildly selfish thinking. "I don't like Kamala's policies, so eat shit gay people and women and Ukraine and -insert various other groups here-"

Worst thing you could say as a so-called innocent voter about voting for Harris is that interest rates might not come down as quickly? I don't know... I guess maybe your stocks wouldn't have screamed upwards quite as quickly either.

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by 68style

My gf told me when she was living in LA for 17 years and she never faced any racism until 2016 after Trump got in and then she got people drive by her at night yelling out "LOVE YOU LONG TIME CHING CHONG" and making slanty eyes at her with their fingers and various other comments on a bunch of different occasions.

Early signs of a society in decay. There was a time when you'd have to go on 4chan to read veiled racist, misogynistic content. Now, you can go on X and find even worse stuff. What's sickening is that these posts are pushed up in the algorithm, so even if you have no interest in reading this crap, it ends up appearing on your feed.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

So does every Democrat that didn't get off their ass to vote because they didn't think it was worth the trouble. So does the democratic party running a shit campaign allowing someone like a Trump to win. The Dems always have the numbers to win but they don't show up.

Sure they absolutely do

I still think this is very fringe and the vast majority of people don't want to strip women of their rights to not get fucking raped at will, get real.

maybe not, but reap what you fucking sow.

There's no such thing as voting for trump, or not voting for harris and then trying to take some high road of "well I don't agree with those crazy people". You fucking enabled it, fucking own it.

[Harvey Specter]

I think issues around trans rights and general 'wokeness' have also turned off some Democrats, which is why they didn’t come out to vote. Just look at California, two DAs were recalled, and they re-approved criminal reform to go after low-level crime, which had been scrapped 10 years ago.

People are fed up, angry, and want to tear down the system they see as failing them. What they don’t realise is that Trump is part of the very system screwing them over. He’s just good at selling the bullshit.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

How do Democrats/Progressives/Liberals dig themselves from out of this media hell-scape? How do we get our message out there to the masses when the right effectively as a chokehold on the information environment?

CNN was bought out by rightwing ownership, Washington Post wasn't even allowed to endorse Harris because Bezos stepped in and stopped that, Twitter is owned by Musk, the largest Podcasts online are heavily Conservative (Joe Rogan), Sinclair Broadcasting pretty much own most of the news networks and radio in the US, add Fox News as being most watched cable news network in the country. Sprinkle in all the Youtubers that have also pivoted right over the last few years as well, cramming out content.

They have effectively cultivated a mass propaganda wing on all levels of media, which is an extremely tough hill to climb. It's a problem rearing it's ugly head in Canada as well --- with the likes of Post Media controlling pretty much all forms of news in this country.

This needs to be researched and plan needs to be made to be able to combat this going forward.

Where the hell have you been Mike?!

Every major news outlet, with the exception of maybe Fox or some smaller publications that aren’t considered major have been biased against Trump throughout the last 8 years.

And now somehow right leaning medias are getting too big it’s problematic?!

The problem wasn’t the channels that Trump vs. Harris used to reach their audience, but the message.

Most American I know who are actually independent, don’t give a damn about J6. It was some people who were frustrated and started doing some stupid shit. But to say that they were anywhere near of overthrowing the government?! Only lefties make a big deal out of it.

Trump is not perfect. He’s goofy and self centric. But we have those kind of people around us. Do we just hate those people to guts?

The problem is not that lefties have less media power than right. As a matter of fact, as far as major media in US is concerned, media are mostly left leaning and all major studios are progressive af. It’s because the messages that the lefties are trying to make don’t resonate with people. Abortion it’s important. But just use condom or take pills. LGBTQ rights are important, but so are everyone else. I can go on.

Harris lost not because she didn’t have the right media. She had almost ALL the media. She just didn’t have the right message.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Abortion it’s important. But just use condom or take pills.

You still don't get it though. This is why the general public, especially men, shouldn't have an opinion on bodily autonomy unless its trying to prevent it being taken away.
Abortion isn't just "I don't want this baby"
It's also about women who have been raped, women who have wanted a child and don't have the resources to take care of a child with certain special needs or perhaps the baby will be born completely brain dead and unable to survive anyways.
It's about women who have pregnancies that aren't viable like ectopic pregnancies that will LITERALLY KILL them.
There are already states trying to put in place measures that WILL NOT ALLOW ANY EXCEPTIONS FOR THESE AND DOCTORS WHO PERFORM THEM OR WOMEN WHO GET THEM WILL BE INCARCERATED.
It's a fucking big deal. Imagine your wife or sister or someone you cared about was going to die, and a simple, proven, safe procedure could save them and they were told, yeah we just aren't allowed to do that, sorry you're going to just die.
Think about that. It's fucking psychotic, it's torture, it's immoral and it's fuckin abhorrent. People who are willing to make those policies should be jailed for murder for every fucking woman that dies because of that.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by westopher

You still don't get it though. This is why the general public, especially men, shouldn't have an opinion on bodily autonomy unless its trying to prevent it being taken away.
Abortion isn't just "I don't want this baby"
It's also about women who have been raped, women who have wanted a child and don't have the resources to take care of a child with certain special needs or perhaps the baby will be born completely brain dead and unable to survive anyways.
It's about women who have pregnancies that aren't viable like ectopic pregnancies that will LITERALLY KILL them.
There are already states trying to put in place measures that WILL NOT ALLOW ANY EXCEPTIONS FOR THESE AND DOCTORS WHO PERFORM THEM OR WOMEN WHO GET THEM WILL BE INCARCERATED.
It's a fucking big deal. Imagine your wife or sister or someone you cared about was going to die, and a simple, proven, safe procedure could save them and they were told, yeah we just aren't allowed to do that, sorry you're going to just die.
Think about that. It's fucking psychotic, it's torture, it's immoral and it's fuckin abhorrent. People who are willing to make those policies should be jailed for murder for every fucking woman that dies because of that.

Again, I understand everything you said. I’m just saying, when comparing what Trump had to say vs. Harris, trump’s messages resonated more with voters. It’s about the economy, it’s about the illegal aliens… etc.

I wasn’t trying to downplay the importance of abortion, but as I said in previous posts, people just couldn’t give more shit to those topics when they are worrying about whether or not they will have food tomorrow.

And my last post was trying to tell Mike that reach wasn’t the issue. The media was overwhelmingly left leaning. It just wasn’t what voters were looking. And when Harris did poorly during interviews about those specific topics that voters do care, or it was often replied with word salad, that’s how Harris lost voters.

If Dems still don’t get this, they will lose even worse the next time.

[68style]

I like how Trump gets downgraded to the goofy uncle... yah okay no I don't have anyone like him anywhere even remotely around me and if there was they'd be totally ostracized because nobody would ever want to talk to their non-sensical meandering racist bullying dumb ass.

[Gumby]

Here’s a teenager in Texas that died recently because of pregnancy complications because doctors didn’t dare to intervene:

https://people.com/texas-teen-suffer...on-ban-8738512

What are you gonna say to her parents - she should’ve used a condom or pills?

[Traum]

I have not been following the anti-abortion proposals from Trump's side very much, other than that he plans on banning "all pregnancies further than 6 weeks since conception". The 6 weeks timeline is ridiculous in every possible regard, but I was always under the impression/assumption that if the pregnancy would threaten the life of the mother, an abortion would still be allowed, as it is basically a necessary life saving procedure.

It seems absurd that anyone would even dare to suggest that medically necessary abortions -- typically those meant to save the mother's life -- would be disallowed. The backlash against such a proposal should have been more than enough to prevent the clause from ever getting passed to become legislation.

[edit] Just saw Gumby's story, and it is really sad and disappointing to see that doctors are afraid to intervene. I am not blaming the doctors at all, although I think they should have done the medically proper thing and worry about the consequences afterwards. But this is why this BS abortion ban is utterly ridiculous.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Traum

It seems absurd that anyone would even dare to suggest that medically necessary abortions -- typically those meant to save the mother's life -- would be disallowed. The backlash against such a proposal should have been more than enough to prevent the clause from ever getting passed to become legislation.

[edit] Just saw Gumby's story, and it is really sad and disappointing to see that doctors are afraid to intervene. I am not blaming the doctors at all, although I think they should have done the medically proper thing and worry about the consequences afterwards. But this is why this BS abortion ban is utterly ridiculous.

Yah you're technically right... all 13 states with bans have medical outs... however the dotors are too afraid to make the determination or often they aren't the ones that CAN make that determination:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ancy-rcna36026

In your words, it is very absurd.

[westopher]

out of the 78 million people or whatever that voted for trump, how many of them do you think are justifiably worried about food on their table next week? And out of those that's fair to say many are uneducated enough to believe that their will be some sort of economic benefit for them.
Lets give those people a "not a piece of shit pass"
What about the people with Porsches and 6 properties and businesses? What can we say about them? What about the people sending their kids to Ivy League schools?
I'm not trying to say you're wrong about the reasons that people voted for trump.
There's clear reasons
They are disillusioned by the current government
They stand to gain money
They are easily manipulated
They are delusional religious nut jobs who think god sent a felon, adulterer, conman, maybe rapist, convicted felon to save them from the gays
They think of women as second class citizens
They are racist
They want to "stick it to the left"

The top 3 of the list are relatively understandable, but they most certainly don't take up the vast majority of the voting population, and they also other than the easily manipulated part don't justify the bottom 4 being a side effect of achieving those wants.
The votes have spoken, and they scream that the majority of America is morally bankrupt.

[Hehe]

You guys still don’t get it.

Look at the last few posts. Lefties going bananas “oh, orange man bad”.

Guess what? You are fortunate enough to be able to give a shit.

Many that I know in the US are struggling. How do you expect them to worry about abortion rights when his/her mind is about how to bring some food back home tomorrow?

Trump didn’t just win a narrow win through electoral college system. He won that, the popular vote and let reps to take both houses and senate.

You lefties can complain, cry, and whatever. But just fucking stop for a second before you type another essay about important topics and think, if you have 0 in your bank account, the fridge is empty, kids are sleeping and neither of you really have a full stomach. How are you still worrying about all that shit?

Again, Harris didn’t lose because it was Trump. Harris didn’t lose because she was a women. She didn’t lose because abortion wasn’t important. She didn’t lose because she didn’t have enough media support.

She lost because she had no clear way of dealing with problems that voters actually care. And all the issues she campaigned hard, be it abortion, be it J6, be it lgbtq rights… it just wasn’t high enough on most voter’s mind.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I don’t know of any Chinese people who bought crypto. At least not in my circle of douche bags. Most are wayyyy too cheap to put any money into some digital bs that has no solid material backing behind it. Ie not based on gold.

Most are just dumb ass gic and rrsp holders. The richer ones have a regular mutual funds portfolio.

Hobz...gonna give you the benefit of the doubt you mistyped. But how is it we're in 2024 and still many many people think RRSP is some kind of investment? It's a container. It holds your money and hides it from the government (until you take it out). It doesn't earn money on it's own. You can have Savings Account RRSPs, GIC RRSPs, Mutual Fund RRSPs, ETF/Stocks RRSP. The level of financial literacy even among "wealthy" people is appalling.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Many that I know in the US are struggling. How do you expect them to worry about abortion rights when his/her mind is about how to bring some food back home tomorrow?

You lefties can complain, cry, and whatever. But just fucking stop for a second before you type another essay about important topics and think, if you have 0 in your bank account, the fridge is empty, kids are sleeping and neither of you really have a full stomach. How are you still worrying about all that shit?

I highly doubt you know let alone fraternize with anyone who is struggling in that way in the US or anywhere in the world for that matter. Or maybe you do...your tenants?

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hehe

You guys still don’t get it.

Look at the last few posts. Lefties going bananas “oh, orange man bad”.

Guess what? You are fortunate enough to be able to give a shit.

Many that I know in the US are struggling. How do you expect them to worry about abortion rights when his/her mind is about how to bring some food back home tomorrow?

Trump didn’t just win a narrow win through electoral college system. He won that, the popular vote and let reps to take both houses and senate.

You lefties can complain, cry, and whatever. But just fucking stop for a second before you type another essay about important topics and think, if you have 0 in your bank account, the fridge is empty, kids are sleeping and neither of you really have a full stomach. How are you still worrying about all that shit?

Again, Harris didn’t lose because it was Trump. Harris didn’t lose because she was a women. She didn’t lose because abortion wasn’t important. She didn’t lose because she didn’t have enough media support.

She lost because she had no clear way of dealing with problems that voters actually care. And all the issues she campaigned hard, be it abortion, be it J6, be it lgbtq rights… it just wasn’t high enough on most voter’s mind.

Read what I wrote, but slower this time.
Also, what the fuck you think trump is gonna do for people struggling with food insecurity. You think they are gonna cash in their stock portfolios that just increased for groceries? The guy campaigned on making sure minimum wage increases are stopped lol.
I'm really talking about people like you man. People who never stop talking about money and success and have no moral compass of how things affect anyone lower than them except when they pretend to care so they can write a 60 page essay about it on the internet that has no tangible evidence that what they support will positively affect anyone of the groups they are pretending to care about in their word salad.
Like you said, we are all privileged here, and some of us would like those below us ACTUALLY not to have to worry about their next meal instead of masking our own financial benefit as some sort of rising tide that lifts all ships trickle down theory bullshit.

[68style]

Again love the insinuation that Trump had a clear plan

Here's a common quote from pretty much every Trump campaign event I watched:

"Don't worry don't worry... we're gonna fix it"

Yah, so much detail there lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by 68style

Again love the insinuation that Trump had a clear plan

Here's a common quote from pretty much every Trump campaign event I watched:

"Don't worry don't worry... we're gonna fix it"

Yah, so much detail there lol

He has a concept of a plan

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Hobz...gonna give you the benefit of the doubt you mistyped. But how is it we're in 2024 and still many many people think RRSP is some kind of investment? It's a container. It holds your money and hides it from the government (until you take it out). It doesn't earn money on it's own. You can have Savings Account RRSPs, GIC RRSPs, Mutual Fund RRSPs, ETF/Stocks RRSP. The level of financial literacy even among "wealthy" people is appalling.

Oh trust me. I know. I keep telling people that the rrsp shit is a scam and to stop looking at this “tax” break you are getting in the Short term because unless you predict your income to drop off a cliff, you’ll still pay a shit load taxes on this nest egg you hoarded away when you’re 65.

That money could be doing a lot more work than sitting in a rrsp account growing at like 0.012%

[underscore]

You can have an RRSP invested in pretty much anything you're investing cash in though. Anyone getting 0.012% from it wouldn't be doing any better outside an RRSP.

Plus if your employer matches it you're getting an immediate 100% return.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

[edit] Just saw Gumby's story, and it is really sad and disappointing to see that doctors are afraid to intervene. I am not blaming the doctors at all, although I think they should have done the medically proper thing and worry about the consequences afterwards. But this is why this BS abortion ban is utterly ridiculous.

With Republicans the cruelty is the point.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

I personally don’t mind Newsom; he knows how to talk, he's running the 3rd largest economy in the world and has the look to be President. However, California has such a bad reputation that his chances of winning swing states are fairly low. And I’m sure the Trump machine would come after him with a vengeance. After all, Don Jr.'s fiancee is Newsom's ex, so he’d probably take it personally lol.

What about the wild card, Michelle Obama? The Obamas have said they have no interest in running for public office, but judging by various articles, it seems like they’re still influential behind the scenes. In fact, Obama was reportedly reluctant to back Kamala when she announced her run.

The Obama delegation is dead, this election was the last gasp of that group. Most have either left, or will be gone by next election.

The Obama message of hope doesn't work anymore, it's a different world, the Dems need to adapt and figure out a new message with new people.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by 68style

My gf told me when she was living in LA for 17 years and she never faced any racism until 2016 after Trump got in and then she got people drive by her at night yelling out "LOVE YOU LONG TIME CHING CHONG" and making slanty eyes at her with their fingers and various other comments on a bunch of different occasions.

I'll never forget the summer after his election in 2017. I've experienced racist anti-black sentiments in Elementary/High School but rarely as an adult in public.

I remember our annual summer trip to Penticton that year, the Make Canada Great Again hats were in vogue, you'd see a lot of doofy ass people rocking those hats. My GF and I were on the canal having a nice float down, if you've been on it before, you'll know you can hear people talking from quite far down the waterway.

As we're floating we start hearing this chick talking loudly about how she hates black people, and how she'd never fuck one, and hates when they hit on her (maybe about 800M ahead of us). We're floating pretty fast, so we catch up to them pretty quick, she had no idea a scary looking black man was coming up on her ass real quick. As we get closer, we see her group are all wearing those MCGA (Make Canada Great Again) hats, she's spewing off about blacks being ugly, how they'd have no chance with her, all that shit. A guy from her group sees me and starts tapping her shoulder to watch out, I guess to make her aware that "one of them" are here, right behind her.

They all go silent as we float by. I say to them -- "We heard that shit you ugly bitch, fuck you guys, you should take that racist bullshit elsewhere".

They all nervously chuckled and kept silent, the bitch didn't say a word.

We continued on our way down the canal, didn't see them again.

That was the 1st time I saw the culture change in Canada to that degree so quickly, to be so comfortable yelling out some pretty vile racist shit around other whites, without being embarrassed or ashamed to say that stuff in public.

[MarkyMark]

^ Something tells me that girl wants to get railed by a black dude