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People would rather "own the libs/left" than think rationally because it's about winning. Many see the world through a zero sum lens, particularly that the pandemic basically brought people to the brink.
Like I said, the people with those grey Maple Leaf stickers would be the first people to turn in their Canadian passports if it meant that their political opponents suffered.
Crazy what a decade of terrible leadership does.
The situation in Canada isn’t the same as the states. People have reason here to be upset.
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Well, US doesn't necessarily *need* our oil. They are the world largest oil producer and it's ahead of Canada by a big margin. (13M BBL/day vs. 5.5BBL/day). If anything, Canadian oils are attractive because we have pipe going down and it's cheap. But as some already mentioned, without AB's support, it's hard to do anything on that topic.
Our trade volume, although similar in absolute numbers, it's got far more weight on Canada than the US. US accounts for over 60% of our total trade, while we are only a tad under 15% of US total trade.
We have a lot more to lose than US if trade just suddenly stops completely. It wrecks havoc in Canada but might make a slight dent in US but nothing US can't work around.
It's more nuanced than that. US has lots of capacity to refine the heavy stuff which they don't produce much of. Instead they produce a lot of light sweet. They import a lot of Canadian heavy and refine that and export the refined product and make their gains that way.
They'll end of shutting down a significant portion of the refineries if we went down this route.
People would rather "own the libs/left" than think rationally because it's about winning. Many see the world through a zero sum lens, particularly that the pandemic basically brought people to the brink.
Like I said, the people with those grey Maple Leaf stickers would be the first people to turn in their Canadian passports if it meant that their political opponents suffered.
It's also a masculinity thing for a lot of these guys. They'll bash anything and anyone perceived as liberal.
Let us know when you've grown up and aren't living in a condo your mom bought for you too.
nice going for the personal attacks and making up facts to try to hurt the other person lol. perhaps it is you who needs to grow up.
analyze the posts you guys have done between the last time I was here ranting and the current one.
everything I said was exactly right.
you are wrong. you don't get it. you are wrong.
the way you see things, feel, is incorrect, and not aligned with what reality has resulted in.
you're in a total disconnect with society and how most people feel and think right now.
you're in denial.
the denial post was a joke, sort of, but not really. you guys are LITERALLY in denial right now, still rambling and blasting the same shit, even after defeat, even after its been officiated, inaugurated, whatever you wanna call it.
if kamala won, I would have gracefully and honourably bowed and admitted I was wrong and kept my mouth shut and fucked off...
but she didn't.
your predictions, ideals, theories, thoughts... were incorrect. and as of right now, are still incorrect.
if trump royally fucks up and starts ww3 or some shit and ends up being known as the worst president ever, yeah... you can come back and say "I told you so".
but till then... how do I say this... you lost the unsaid bet.
Jacking up the price of insulin causing people to go broke or die is stupid real stupid. Supporting another country over your own is also real stupid.
Do you also forget the last 4 years of cons crying the election was stolen?
I honestly don't know what you just said here got anything to do with what Ulic said.
Explain to me what does that whole thing I quoted got anything to do to "admitting that you lost" like I'm 5.
So, whatever news you believed that contradicted with your values are valid reasons to not admitting you lost?!?
If that's the case, the part from Ulic's post that you didn't quote is in fact correct... that you guys are in denial. You refuse to recognize the result of the election because you were so sure that your values were right.
Of course, sometimes it's hard to say what's right or wrong. But the fact remains, MOST people in the US didn't resonate with whatever value that you believed it's right.
That's why Dems lost the popular count, house and senate.
I honestly don't know what you just said here got anything to do with what Ulic said.
Explain to me what does that whole thing I quoted got anything to do to "admitting that you lost" like I'm 5.
So, whatever news you believed that contradicted with your values are valid reasons to not admitting you lost?!?
If that's the case, the part from Ulic's post that you didn't quote is in fact correct... that you guys are in denial. You refuse to recognize the result of the election because you were so sure that your values were right.
Of course, sometimes it's hard to say what's right or wrong. But the fact remains, MOST people in the US didn't resonate with whatever value that you believed it's right.
That's why Dems lost the popular count, house and senate.
I'm not American and never will be so I can't vote in the US election. If Americans want to fuck themselves over go ahead. But when they try to fck with Canada that's a different story.
I don't know why conservatives like hurting people.
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It's cause they are miserable. They believe others need to be as miserable as them so by comparison they aren't miserable anymore. They can't seem to figure out that finding their own ways to be happy would be more effective.
I don't know what this "admitting we lost" thing is about. It's not a hockey game and I'm not cheering for the democrats. I'm against poor people, immigrants, LGBTQ and other marginalized communities being blamed because the shitty system isn't working for the majority.
I'm a white, middle class dude, I'll be fine, but I take pride in not being a piece of shit. If you don't have that kind of backbone, you're still the fuckin losers in all this.
Look at what trump did his first day. Every single executive order was about negatively affecting groups.
Preventing cost control measures for medication
Making sure everyone is the sex that they were given at CONCEPTION, which is hilarious because that actually makes everyone female, since the male part of the evolution doesn't happen til 6 weeks post conception
Removing mandatory overtime pay
Removal of birthright citizenship
Try helping someone and you won't be such self loathing losers trying to claim you just won something that does nothing for you except give you the chance to wave your tiny dick around that someone who will never know you exist and doesn't give a fuck about you grifted you and those like you.
Big congrats though. I'm sure this will help you guys get more shares on X or whatever gets you excited.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
It’s gonna be most people in Canada and also around the world as well.
I guess it’s easier to plainly say most “people on this planet”.
My main point from before stands.
The cultural woke war takes priority in most people’s minds and hearts. Over ALL other points. Trump is like the vanguard against this stuff… the first of them that has actually won and gained control and is ACTIVELY fighting it
Tariffs… economy. Whatever other points you wanna add… are all secondary and tertiary like I said many pages ago
The one thing they unified the Usa and in turn the world this cultural war. You guys might not think or even FEEL it’s a big deal. But this is exactly where you’re totally 1000% wrong.
It is a big deal. In fact I think it is the biggest cultural conflict… the global scale at that… that I’ve ever seen or felt in my entire life.
People are willing to fight it and sacrifice a bit of all the other tertiary shit you guys keep talking about.
That’s how much is irks and bugs people
And calling them dumb isn’t helping your cause or convincing anyone lol.
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The evidence is staring you right in the eyes. Trump won. He signed all those executive orders. Elon in poor taste doing the Roman salute lol.
Fucking nazi memes are at all fucking time highs.
People are willing to go down that dark path to fight this shit. That’s how much they hate it.
That’s how much they feel like it’s fucked with their values and lives.
To squabble about it before was a debate
It is NOT a debate anymore. It is hard measurable facts.
ALL OF YOU are in the minority about how you feel about it. And how you perceive and process it.
When 100 people in the room and turn to you and go “bro we don’t like it. We don’t agree”. You’re wrong. Especially when it’s a social topic.
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You can talk about logic or math or winning all you want, but you can't come up with a coherent rebuttal other than a 6000 word essay to simply say "yeah people are shit and so am I"
Pseudointellectual up your posts all you want, but all you are is just deflecting. Calling you garbage isn't going to help, but neither are giving reasons that these culture war victories aren't going to make your life better, or facts, or anything else, so at this point we can just call a spade a spade.
Every single post you make just goes back to arguing that people feel this way. We are aware of that, we see it. You aren't making a point. Your word salads are just a totally different conversation on the topic that's irrelevant to what's being said.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
As EvoFire has mentioned, you can't just look at refinery capacity in the US and say US doesn't *need* our crude. Refineries are set up in such a way that they cater to the processing of certain types of crude, and they really can't just source a different type of crude than what they are set up for, and keep producing. You can certainly re-configure the refinery to process a differen type of crude, but that take time, $$$, and stopping of existing processing work, all of which costs money.
(A similar thing applies to the auto manufacturing sector as well. Companies can certainly build / re-configure more factories to increase produciton capacity so that they don't rely on the Canadian manufacturing capacity. But doing so again takes time, $$$, etc.)
Also, I'd say the retailiation needs to be targetted for it to be meaningful. What that means is, you need to choose a certain sector(s), and then hit them hard so that they really feel the pain. You don't want everybody hurting just a little bit. You want a small number of people hurting a lot so that they scream and cry for help, and apply pressure to House / Congress / Senate to get the message of change across.
IMO, targetting the AB crude exports and the ON energy export should have the best chance to deliver that targetted and noticeable pain. If the eastern states suddenly see a 30% hike in household electricity costs, or if the western refineries suddenly see a stoppage of AB crude, that kind of targetted pain could cause the sectors to scream loud enough that Trump might have to change policy.
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Well, US doesn't necessarily *need* our oil. They are the world largest oil producer and it's ahead of Canada by a big margin. (13M BBL/day vs. 5.5BBL/day). If anything, Canadian oils are attractive because we have pipe going down and it's cheap. But as some already mentioned, without AB's support, it's hard to do anything on that topic.
Our trade volume, although similar in absolute numbers, it's got far more weight on Canada than the US. US accounts for over 60% of our total trade, while we are only a tad under 15% of US total trade.
We have a lot more to lose than US if trade just suddenly stops completely. It wrecks havoc in Canada but might make a slight dent in US but nothing US can't work around.
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son and Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison appeared at the White House Tuesday afternoon alongside President Donald Trump to announce the company, which Trump called the “largest AI infrastructure project in history”.
The companies will invest $100 billion in the project to start, with plans to pour up to $500 billion into Stargate in the coming years. The project is expected to create 100,000 US jobs, Trump said.
AI leaders have for months been sounding the alarm that more data centers — as well as the chips and electricity and water resources to run them — are needed to power their artificial intelligence ambitions in the coming years.
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son and Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison appeared at the White House Tuesday afternoon alongside President Donald Trump to announce the company, which Trump called the “largest AI infrastructure project in history”.
The companies will invest $100 billion in the project to start, with plans to pour up to $500 billion into Stargate in the coming years. The project is expected to create 100,000 US jobs, Trump said.
AI leaders have for months been sounding the alarm that more data centers — as well as the chips and electricity and water resources to run them — are needed to power their artificial intelligence ambitions in the coming years.
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Good. We don’t advance fast unless there are adversities.
1) Ai is good.
2) Ai sucking up power means finally they might take nuclear power to the next level.
3) nuclear power is good. It is the way of the future and any space faring species.
We create problems so we can conquer them.
If we had no problems we’d be complacent and weak.
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son and Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison appeared at the White House Tuesday afternoon alongside President Donald Trump to announce the company, which Trump called the “largest AI infrastructure project in history”.
The companies will invest $100 billion in the project to start, with plans to pour up to $500 billion into Stargate in the coming years. The project is expected to create 100,000 US jobs, Trump said.
AI leaders have for months been sounding the alarm that more data centers — as well as the chips and electricity and water resources to run them — are needed to power their artificial intelligence ambitions in the coming years.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that money is as good as gone. The gov will go brrrr printing that money, it'll go to anything "AI" and I'll be floored if there is anything of value created after its all said and done. Just emptying the coffers.
I'm against poor people, immigrants, LGBTQ and other marginalized communities being blamed because the shitty system isn't working for the majority.
I'm a white, middle class dude, I'll be fine, but I take pride in not being a piece of shit. If you don't have that kind of backbone, you're still the fuckin losers in all this.
Look at what trump did his first day. Every single executive order was about negatively affecting groups.
Your way of thinking is so fucked up. You are contradicting everything you said.
If you are fine by being white, middle class and a guy, then clearly the system is indeed working for the vast majority of the population here. Last time I checked, Caucasian/White accounts for just a hair under 70% here in Canada and US is slightly over 75%. If that's not majority, I don't know what counts.
"Negatively affecting groups"... my question is, why are those groups treated differently in the first place? What is the merit? Race-based differential treatment is the very foundation of racism. And somehow removing these is "negatively affecting groups"?!?
I will tell you what actually happened, Trump just removed most of the racist policies that have been implemented. It treated everyone more equally going onward.
And I know what's in your mind now "but there's systematic racism you dumbfuck". No... it's not systematic racism. It's that imaginary guilt that they implemented in your fucking head. That GUILT has grown to define you. Just like Inception. You think you are doing well (at least "ok") because you are being white and a dude. So, you are telling me that color people I know of, whether black, brown, yellow... etc, with some of them clearing well over 7-figures a year would do even better if they were white?!? Fuck, I should start a consulting/plastic surgery business tomorrow telling all of these people that I can help them to at least double their income by turning them all white.
Y'all should donate all your assets and dedicate all your time and energy to the causes you believe in. Until then, no one here can say anything about all these social issues and act like they’re better than everyone else because they’re “morally correct”. Arguing about nothing lol, all our lives will be the same up here, maybe some costs will go up but that’s it.
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Bro… you’re a white middle class dude. The fact that you even said that tells everyone reading a lot about the belief, values, and education you have.
When the fuck did you start believing because you’re white you have a systematic benefit over… me? Blacks? Mexicans? All the non whites? Hahaha
You could a just left it at middle class.
You just HAD to use the “white privilege” shit.
Trust me bro. There are tons of non whites in the middle class that have it better than you and will be more fine than you are.
Race has nothing to do with it.
Unless you think we live in nazi Canada. Yah then your whiteness has an advantage.
I put that I'm white because we are talking about policies that have been enacted in the US based on deporting people. Where racism is running rampant more than ever. Because white people aren't on the receiving end of those things you stupid fuck. No one's walking up to a white guy at a gas station screaming go back to Europe.
You haven't got the gotcha here.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
This guy seems to be forgetting issues charged/polarized voter elections of any sort in democracies are usually won on like a 3-4% margin… so it’s more about who goes to the polls than anything else nevermind all the gerrymandering that goes on in the USA, and, despite whatever the result is, at least half of everyone still sees things the same way as you do, however that way might be.
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