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Old 09-04-2018, 12:25 PM   #751
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I don't know if it's been mentioned but if not it should be said. There are huge cause and effect implications on tariffs no matter which way they go, US or Canadian side. Take steel for instance, if the US puts a 25% tariff on steel and 10% on aluminum (which it did) you would think oh that sucks for steel manufacturers in Canada. Well yes and no, it does but it also has a relationship to every industry in Canada that uses steel.

The way they look at it is if I was selling steel to the US for $100 and I was selling that same steel to Canadians also for $100 and now due to tariffs that same steel is sold to the US for $125, why should I sell it to Canadians for $100? They up the cost on this side and now it's $125 for all. It has an impact on everything including construction, remember the majority of condos are steel framed. You know what the average margins for profit are for a steel framing company on a highrise? Somewhere around 3-6%, now that's labour and material but material typically accounts for about 45% and the steel is easily half that. Do the math, if you have towers coming up where you already have a contract good luck trying to recoup those tariffs. It can be done but it's difficult. I'm sure our owner would probably think differently but if I had contracts on pending towers that haven't started yet and they didn't issue me a change order to recoup the tariffs before we got on site I'd walk away and tell the general or developer to sue me.
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I find it hilarious all these corny ass white people burn the one pair of Nike's they own. Country singers big and rich where so upset they got there sound man to rip up his nike socks. I wonder if they paid him 10 bux for the socks.

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I don't know if it's been mentioned but if not it should be said. There are huge cause and effect implications on tariffs no matter which way they go, US or Canadian side. Take steel for instance, if the US puts a 25% tariff on steel and 10% on aluminum (which it did) you would think oh that sucks for steel manufacturers in Canada. Well yes and no, it does but it also has a relationship to every industry in Canada that uses steel.

The way they look at it is if I was selling steel to the US for $100 and I was selling that same steel to Canadians also for $100 and now due to tariffs that same steel is sold to the US for $125, why should I sell it to Canadians for $100? They up the cost on this side and now it's $125 for all. It has an impact on everything including construction, remember the majority of condos are steel framed. You know what the average margins for profit are for a steel framing company on a highrise? Somewhere around 3-6%, now that's labour and material but material typically accounts for about 45% and the steel is easily half that. Do the math, if you have towers coming up where you already have a contract good luck trying to recoup those tariffs. It can be done but it's difficult. I'm sure our owner would probably think differently but if I had contracts on pending towers that haven't started yet and they didn't issue me a change order to recoup the tariffs before we got on site I'd walk away and tell the general or developer to sue me.
You'd be surprised, a lot of overseas steel makers are dumping their steel here as Canada has no additional tariffs. Remember, finished steel goods do not have tariffs going into the states so Canadian manufacturers are happy as it can be if you're using products available from overseas. Unfortunately, a lot of steel is stocked in Chicago and if you can't wait a month, that 25% applies.

TBH, those steel rebars... all chinar. Now Morneau wants to put a tariff for overseas steel imports too, that would fuck up canada big time. I would gladly buy canada but canada has basically no steel mills.
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Huh i guess this kaepernick thing is a bit of a deal.
#Nikeboycott was trending on Twitter today and Nike shares fell 3.2% (about $4b). Crazy
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#Nikeboycott was trending on Twitter today and Nike shares fell 3.2% (about $4b). Crazy
Have you checked the price o. Nordstrom shares lately?


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stocks rise and fall on the back of news all the time, it's meaningless because people will still continue to buy nike no matter what. a few hardline rednecks who ban it forever will not be meaningful, they wear the same walmart shoes they've had for 12 years anyway.
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^^yea i guess we'll see.
nfl ratings never really recovered.
marvel comics. the oscars. seems like everything that goes sjw is taking a hit. almost like people are tired of everything being politicized.
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^^yea i guess we'll see.
nfl ratings never really recovered.
marvel comics. the oscars. seems like everything that goes sjw is taking a hit. almost like people are tired of everything being politicized.
How is Ivankas clothing line doing

Nike just released this ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Fq2CvmgoO7I

Also Nike is a massive international brand unlike the NFL or the Oscars.
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-insightful New York Times article by anonymous senior White House official. The "steady state" which thwarts Trump's decisions that are deemed detrimental to the United States.

It's a great read.

-from the article: The official says "the root of the problem is the President's amorality" and paints a damning picture of Trump's "reckless decisions," "erratic behavior" and his "impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective" leadership style.

Dotard is gonna be really angry now.

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^^not for nothing but i really can't put much stock into stories that come from "anonymous sources".
makes it almost impossible to confirm any accuracy
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^^not for nothing but i really can't put much stock into stories that come from "anonymous sources".
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Even if the source wasn't anonymous you still wouldn't believe them.
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we're closing in on the last quarter of 2018 and we are actually getting further away from signing NAFTA it seems

the latest kerfuffle is over Canadian media? seriously who the fuck actually cares about radio/TV when there's Spotify and Netflix?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ta-frontburner

lol at maintaining identity...something straight out of Quebec's playbook

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How is Ivankas clothing line doing

Nike just released this ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Fq2CvmgoO7I

Also Nike is a massive international brand unlike the NFL or the Oscars.
its funny how racists can't see the hypocrisy when they attack this ad by bringing up nike's history of bad labor practices. suddenly these people are ethical, conscious consumers, who care about the well-being of workers in 'shithole' countries.
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-insightful New York Times article by anonymous senior White House official. The "steady state" which thwarts Trump's decisions that are deemed detrimental to the United States.

It's a great read.

-from the article: The official says "the root of the problem is the President's amorality" and paints a damning picture of Trump's "reckless decisions," "erratic behavior" and his "impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective" leadership style.

Dotard is gonna be really angry now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...esistance.html
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This is the guy trump supporters get there news from.
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It's hard to watch that video, they're both slimeballs... edge to Alex Jones for being crazier and the bigger of the two slimeballs though.

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its funny how racists can't see the hypocrisy when they attack this ad by bringing up nike's history of bad labor practices. suddenly these people are ethical, conscious consumers, who care about the well-being of workers in 'shithole' countries.
Does this surprise you? These people are hypocrites, they could give a shit about Nike's "sweatshops". These people weren't mentioning sweatshops until Nike decided to stand beside civil rights.

Fuck these people, and I mean this in all seriousness.

I'm glad we're seeing how alive and well white supremacy still is, a lot of people are showing their true faces here. It saddens me, but I'm also glad that it's now out in the open, as its been there all along, as we have always said.
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A Car audio company is now moving more of it's manufacturing to China because the trumps tariffs are on the parts that make a sub woofer but not a completed sub woofer. So instead of buying the parts in China and assembling in the USA they are going to have everything done in China.


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I am sure most of you have followed enough of the news to be aware of the "trade war" that is going on right now.

The first two tariff lists have had basically no effect on the car audio industry. The third list that is being discussed will have a HUGE impact on our industry.

The third list contains a 25% Tariff on Amplifiers, Power Cables, Aluminum Frames, Woofer Motors, Paper Cones, and some other small parts (gaskets and such).

That being said... this list does *not* include completed sub-woofers so could possibly have the (I assume) unintended consequence of forcing us to push X v.2 and Z v.5 assembly back to China vs. building them here... and to put off bringing U series production in-house. And also putting a 25% price increase on the NS v.4 and TEAM series that we cannot have fully assembled in China.

The way I understand it... it will not effect our Korean amplifiers but will lead to either a 25% price increase or necessitate completely discontinuing our SAE amplifier line.

I suppose we can hope for the best and that this will not pass... but with the first two tariff lists going in to place already I believe that these too will also pass.

Remember... this is NOT a tariff *on China* -- this is a tariff directly on us (American companies that import) that will have to be passed on to consumers. In the end the consumer is paying these tariffs.
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I can't be the only person enjoying the fallout from this developing incident so far, right? On top of Dotard becoming furious and making *moar* stupid remarks, it is also extremely amusing to see the Trumpy rank and file rush out to deny they were the person behind the op-ed.

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I really can't understand where the morons calling out Kap and others like him can't differentiate things in their minds... nobody is kneeling to disrespect the military or the flag... pretty damn simple it's always been about police brutality and police brutality alone.

Not capable of having 2 thoughts in their pea brains at the same time? I guess it's hard sometimes... comes down to the failure of the USA's education system again.
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New York (CNNMoney) - Twitter banned far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his website InfoWars from its platform Thursday afternoon, a month after several of its Silicon Valley counterparts did so.
Jones was suspended from Twitter for one week last month after he posted a video in which he said, "Now is time to act on the enemy before they do a false flag." But Twitter did not ban him from its platform then, even after YouTube, Apple and Facebook each kicked him off.
In a series of tweets from its @TwitterSafety account, Twitter said, "Today, we permanently suspended @realalexjones and @infowars from Twitter and Periscope. We took this action based on new reports of Tweets and videos posted yesterday that violate our abusive behavior policy, in addition to the accounts' previous violations."
Twitter also said that it "will take action" if in the future it discovers other accounts being used to get around the ban of Jones and InfoWars.
The company made its decision a day after Jones accosted a CNN reporter, Oliver Darcy, on Capitol Hill, and livestreamed the encounter through Periscope, which Twitter owns.
Jones and InfoWars are notorious for spreading conspiracy theories and other demonstrably false information, including the idea that the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax, and that the victims of it were child actors. Some of the parents of the victims have sued Jones for mental and emotional distress.
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I really can't understand where the morons calling out Kap and others like him can't differentiate things in their minds... nobody is kneeling to disrespect the military or the flag... pretty damn simple it's always been about police brutality and police brutality alone.

Not capable of having 2 thoughts in their pea brains at the same time? I guess it's hard sometimes... comes down to the failure of the USA's education system again.
The problem I have with Kaepernick is that I find his protest disingenuous. If you really look at the stats, white people are actually more likely to be killed by police officers than blacks. In actuality, officers were actually more hesitant in shooting blacks than whites.
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