Trump thread 2.0

[donk.]

Is it just me or this whole "im buying canadian now!" Is just one big circlejerk

Are you also going to stop shopping at costco?
How about scamazon?
Walmart?
Home depot?

Giving up your netflix?

Selling off all your american stonks that made you 7% a year?

Still searching on google i see...... even more weird that apple iphone is still in your pocket, dont forget to cancel your microsoft services

Feels the same as "stop the oil pipeline" protesters, but they dont understand they use oil related products every hour for all their needs

RevYouUp beat me to it

[westopher]

Originally Posted by donk.

Is it just me or this whole "im buying canadian now!" Is just one big circlejerk

Are you also going to stop shopping at costco?
How about scamazon?
Walmart?
Home depot?

Giving up your netflix?

Selling off all your american stonks that made you 7% a year?

Still searching on google i see...... even more weird that apple iphone is still in your pocket, dont forget to cancel your microsoft services

Feels the same as "stop the oil pipeline" protesters, but they dont understand they use oil related products every hour for all their needs

RevYouUp beat me to it

It's pretty retarded to think you either have to do all of that or none of that.
The first 4 I'd done a long time ago. Now it will happen with groceries, I'll shop at choices instead of whole foods. You can be smug and think you're so smart and edgy or you can just try and make a moderate difference and try and sway people to do the same.

[Hondaracer]

“Buy Canadian”

You mean like Galon Weston that’s been actively FUCKING consumers for decades? Yea.. ok

I agree with weatopher that you support legitimate small businesses owned and operated by Canadians but if you think propping up conglomerates like superstore and save on are “shopping Canadian” you’re an idiot.

Even if those small businesses use American products they are gerneadlly bearing the burden of the tariffs.

[westopher]

Yes he is the only Canadian.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

Yes he is the only Canadian.

Well who do you buy groceries from otherwise? Pattinson? Safeway?

[westopher]

I posted above. Choices.
Don't act like there aren't 500 independent grocery stores in east van where you live. Just walk down fuckin commercial lol.
This is the thing. There's options if you are willing to do a micron of extra work for it.
I see you amended your post above and I totally agree with you on that part. Buying from a shit ass Canadian company is just as bad. Support a business where the owner doesn't have a lobbyist is probably the best place to draw the line to start.

[Hondaracer]

Yea, I’m agreeing. I shop at Donald’s, a literal 1/1

Others do not.

[noclue]

Originally Posted by donk.

Is it just me or this whole "im buying canadian now!" Is just one big circlejerk

Are you also going to stop shopping at costco?
How about scamazon?
Walmart?
Home depot?

Giving up your netflix?

Selling off all your american stonks that made you 7% a year?

Still searching on google i see...... even more weird that apple iphone is still in your pocket, dont forget to cancel your microsoft services

Feels the same as "stop the oil pipeline" protesters, but they dont understand they use oil related products every hour for all their needs

RevYouUp beat me to it

Everyone virtue signalling but only price will change their habits. Like how superstore is still packed when everyone boycott weston

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Yea, I’m agreeing. I shop at Donald’s, a literal 1/1

Others do not.

Best thing you can do is tell someone to. Say it's good, say why you shop there. People don't know the other options, because it's not convenient to find that information. Make it convenient.

[Hondaracer]

Will do. I appreciate your efforts with that farming collective I read the entire article and unironically that’s what’s missing in our society and with oblivious govt.

Everything probably starts and ends with food

[hud 91gt]

Pretty sure Pattinson group bought out choices.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by hud 91gt

Pretty sure Pattinson group bought out choices.

Ugh. Donalds it is then. I'll travel. It does say on the sign outside each one is independently owned and operated but that might be hiding some sort of umbrella. Stongs is close to me as well. Pretty sure they are a B.C. company.
The government should have enacted as much as they could long ago to protect food independence, but globalization was on a tear, and I guess they didn't expect these kinds of bad actors, even though they kinda should have.
I'll definitely be getting some CSA boxes this summer when the local growing season is in full force, and will happily compile them for people when I have the info.

[unit]

Its not like we have to cut out everything American in our lives. If everyone made a few changes trust me it would have a significant impact. Those who have the means to choose should choose more. Im still using amazon just using it less, same with home depot, etc.. its not hypocritical to say you want to buy Canadian more and still buy and use US goods and services. Its about reducing our reliance on the fuckers downstairs.

[unit]

Holyshit honda and westopher thanking each other back to back. Trump has done more for inter-canadian relations than any other politician ever has

[westopher]

Me and Honda are actually very amicable. He's one of the people here I disagree with often but I don't think he's a piece of shit by any means and we both want the same thing. For things to suck less.
I still stand by my statement he's due for a vacation though.

[Traum]

IMO it is worth bearing in mind that exploring and expanding trade with non-US international partners does not mean we should intentionally sell less to the US.

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

We also need to explore other trade partners. The EU wants more trade deals,they need gas, hydrogen, and other minerals. The same goes for China. Yes, there’s always a national security element, and we need to be cautious, but unfortunately, beggars can’t be choosers.

Even if Trump is gone in 4 years, America's trade policy has changed permanently. It’s no longer an ally we can fully trust or rely on as our sole partner for trade.

On the other hand, I don't necessarily agree with your suggestion that American trade policy would be permanently changed even after Trump is gone though. It is certainly possible, esp if the US re-juggle the supply chain enough during these 4 years to the point where it is no longer preferable to purchase stuff from us. The easy example would be -- if the US refineries that are currently setup to process our heavy crude is re-configured to process lighter crude from other places, or even from just their own shale gas, then we would really lose some huge O&G revenues for good.

But for a lot of other things, our proximity to the US, and our reliability as a trading partner should still make us a good, or maybe even preferable, trading partner.

Also, let's not forget that the Orange Mad Man is also planning to hit EU trading partners with tariffs as well. So at least in comparison to EU countries, the EU isn't all of a sudden becoming a more attractive trading partner to the US than we are.

Isolationism is pretty well know to be a poor national policy, even for countries as big and diverse as the US. At this point other than Trump, I am not convinced that political figures in the US would be stupid enough to pursue that as well. So when Trump is gone, I would expect a lot more common sense to return -- at least I hope they're return?

But that might be a fatal downfall of mine -- generally, I tend to expect most people to be at least somewhat reasonable.

[noclue]

Hondaracer should dine at your restaurant, then you kick him out after he complains the food tastes too liberal

[unit]

Free range? Whats this woke bullshit!

[EvoFire]

You guys know that in the winter, a lot of our produce comes from USA/Mexico right? It's improved in the last few years but it's by no means great.

You can pick Mexico produce over USA, but there really isn't much local to choose from, even if it's from mom n' pop stores.

[Traum]

From Turd's address, I can only find that "OJ and vegetables" will be among the food items included in the 25% counter-tariff. It remains to be see what other food & meal items would be affected by the counter-tariffs, and I'm sure it'll be a lot more extensive than just "OJ and veggies".

After mortgage and vehicle expenses, food and meals are probably our largest household expense. This is not going to be fun.

Also with respect to produce from Mexico, would it not be subjected to the US' tariffs as well? It has to pass through the US to get to Canada, so wouldn't the US slap some import tax on them too?

[snowball]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

I don't agree with booing the anthem, the leader is the issue not the vast majority of Americans...

Watch them start removing the anthem before games. America was built on manifest destiny and now they're trying to strangle us into submission; they are complicit.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Traum

Also with respect to produce from Mexico, would it not be subjected to the US' tariffs as well? It has to pass through the US to get to Canada, so wouldn't the US slap some import tax on them too?

They might, but if they do that we can do the same for all the intermodal that goes to the states (which is basically 70-80% of our imports). Then the US would be in a world of hurt and shippers would pivot towards sending their goods straight to the US instead of taking the traditional cheaper route through Canada first.

So with just some inside baseball (what’s a baseball?) most big USA shippers like Walmart Costco etc have all front loaded their items in storage warehouses since sep of last year. It’s like someone magically told these goons that they would be implementing this…..

That way the US big retailers and even infrastructure would be protected by this 10% China tariff and Canadian / Mexico tariff for at least a few months. I got a feeling it’s bravado on tiny hands part to do this but it can’t last very long because the Americans will feel it as soon as these warehouses are emptied.

Also I think this whole pressure on Canada is to see if we would crack economically and then they could come in and offer annexation.

[68style]

I doesn't have to be a circle jerk to buy Canadian products, just a conscientious effort to do what you can to save yourself money and also without hampering your life too much support our own economy.

I saw this chart on a community page, not sure how accurate it is but whatever! I know there's a lot of Gaylon stuff on the chart but I'm sure no name brands in many stores are potentially Canadian made... a lot of people don't have a choice. I know in Calgary there's tonnes of grocery stores, but they're all big chains... Sobey, Co-Op, Superstore. There's a few natural food places but holy shit they're like 3x more cost.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I got a feeling it’s bravado on tiny hands part to do this but it can’t last very long because the Americans will feel it as soon as these warehouses are emptied.

Also I think this whole pressure on Canada is to see if we would crack economically and then they could come in and offer annexation.

I was thinking similar things, we don't know if this is going to last 3 months, 6 months, or a year and everyone is expending so much energy in a 'response'. OK, it shows that Canada is not going to be stepped on but tariffs on US goods ultimately hurts the avg Canadian consumer. I wouldn't even mind if JT waited a week or two to see the actual impact before any retaliatory actions. Personally, I think restricting some exports to the US like oil, wheat, steel, minerals, etc. might hurt them more than 'dollar for dollar' retaliatory tariffs ... but what do I know?

[68style]

JT did bring up restricting exports in his speech if you watch the whole thing (I had it playing in the background and caught it)... he mentioned valuable minerals being withheld in the future isn't off the table.

I think the problem with that is it's the government asking private industry to basically stop making money and not sell something and that's a tough/tall/borderline impossible ask. Tariffs don't cease sales, just slow them.