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I've seen good and bad from Jimmy P... like through personal experience.... I've seen him be kinda unfair at his dealerships where the lowest performing sales people every month are let go instead of maybe sat down with and given some tools to succeed... living in fear every month of being let go is a pretty toxic workplace environment. Let's not forget his whole Save-On Foods/Price Smart union debacle.
Then I've seen how he visits his businesses somewhat regularly and just talks to the people and drives a humble Lexus LS around and you can actually ask him questions and he stops and takes time to talk to you when he certainly doesn't have to.
It's a really weird dichotomy. Kind of both a caring person at a personal level AND totally ruthless businessman. Pretty fascinating guy from a studying standpoint.
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Again, it's not going to be all or none when it comes to a targeted approach. Chances are those republican wineries employ mostly non nazis, specifically cheap immigrant labour as well.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
If you don't think there are a lot of Republicans running California wineries down there I've got news for you.
It makes more sense to target red states so they put pressure on their elected officials who actually have a say in the majority government.
You can volunteer to be the "spirits czar" if you want and one by one go through each producer and research them to see which ones are Republican voters though if you have the time.
I saw this on reddit, thought it was an interesting post.
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“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don’t know, I’m an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.
Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of “The Art of the Deal,” a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you’ve read The Art of the Deal, or if you’ve followed Trump lately, you’ll know, even if you didn’t know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call “distributive bargaining.”
Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you’re fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump’s world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.
The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don’t have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.
The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren’t binary. China’s choices aren’t (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don’t buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.
One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you’re going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don’t have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won’t agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you’re going to have to find another cabinet maker.
There isn’t another Canada.
So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.
Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.
Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that’s just not how politics works, not over the long run.
For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here’s another huge problem for us.
Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.
From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn’t even bringing checkers to a chess match. He’s bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld."
-David Honig
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Fox News hosts and the MAGA crowd are mocking and laughing at Eby for dropping Kentucky bourbon, but the Governor of Kentucky and Rand Paul, who represents the state in Congress, are in full panic mode. It's a massive industry for the state. The game for Canada now is to apply pressure on these red states because those are the ones Trump cares about. In my book, Eby hit the bullseye.
Fox News hosts and the MAGA crowd are mocking and laughing at Eby for dropping Kentucky bourbon, but the Governor of Kentucky and Rand Paul, who represents the state in Congress, are in full panic mode. It's a massive industry for the state. The game for Canada now is to apply pressure on these red states because those are the ones Trump cares about. In my book, Eby hit the bullseye.
Yup I saw people saying stuff like California has Trumpists too, but that's not really the point. Hit them where it hurts so they have no other option than to consider treating Trump like an actual president and not a dictator.
I listened to a podcast convo between Jon Stewart and Chris Christie this morning... it was super interesting, 2 very smart dudes who don't necessarily agree on a lot of things giving each other time and space to speak and make points.
Christie for his side of things said as well as he knows Trump, Trump has zero understanding of American history let alone any other country's history... he says these things because he really just doesn't know what the mitigating factors are and because he can.
So it's stupid as fuck, but there's some comfort in knowing he's literally just in his own little world.
Fox News hosts and the MAGA crowd are mocking and laughing at Eby for dropping Kentucky bourbon, but the Governor of Kentucky and Rand Paul, who represents the state in Congress, are in full panic mode. It's a massive industry for the state. The game for Canada now is to apply pressure on these red states because those are the ones Trump cares about. In my book, Eby hit the bullseye.
is that really an issue. how much bourbon do we import???
I bet we barely make a dent in their exports.
is that really an issue. how much bourbon do we import???
I bet we barely make a dent in their exports.
US exported $1.551 billion of distilled spirits last year
EU was the biggest importer by far, at $883M, but Canada was #2 at $262M. Mexico is #3 at $139M
In fact they only just started recovering from retaliatory tariffs while Trump was away, and these acts (such as removing all red state products) are much harsher than tariffs.
And yes, at the same time they made their raw material imports cost 25% more (or whatever it would cost to switch to another exporter before Trump tariffs them too)
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