Trump thread 2.0

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by supafamous

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy...ine-2000559365



Weird man! USAID is investigating Elon Musk and some how Elon decides to go shut it down.

https://snyder.substack.com/p/of-course-its-a-coup

Of course it's a coup.

It's 100% a coup but I don't think it'll end well for Musk.

[N.V.M.]

I wouldn't have minded seeing Kim's tits & ass as much as though.

[RevYouUp]

Originally Posted by sonick

This is just lazy all-or-nothing logical fallacy for the sake of being contrarian without an intent of healthy discourse, by presenting the situation of having only two extreme options or outcomes i.e. the idea that if something can't be done completely or perfectly, it shouldn't be done at all otherwise you are a hypocrite.

You oversimplify a complex issue by just assuming two choices, with the intent to rouse direct conflict (hypocrite vs not) rather than shutting down any sort of actual discussion (what are things that make a larger impact than others when it comes to not choosing to buy US).

This is a discussion forum, maybe you are better off going to X.

Thanks man. I don’t have X maybe I’ll download it finally. I was adding to the discussion, another point of view. I don’t mean to sound like a prick lol. I’m just a simple dude and don’t over complex things. Sometimes things are better simple.

[Harvey Specter]

Speaking of X, it's crazy to read the infighting among the far right. You'd think they'd be happy with Trump in power but nope. They're still bitching.

[westopher]

I've said it before and will say it again. They are miserable losers that only believe they will be happy by making others miserable. Deep down most of them know their lives are going to remain shit. They just wanna stick it to the libs because they see a group of smarter, happier people that they believe live lives that aren't attainable to them.

[MarkyMark]

Eh the far left and the far right are both miserable pieces of shit, most of them are on or should be on anti depressants and they hate their lives. The far right want the libs to suffer and the far left wants to ruin the lives of anyone who doesn't think exactly the way they do.

[westopher]

The difference is there are no relevant far left parties either here or US. Theres no threat of far left populism, at least currently.
Theres no reason to whatabout the two, because one simply doesn't exist in any form with power to do damage. No ones campaigning on forcing everyone to be gender neutral and give 100% of their paycheque to the state for redistribution.
Although, people love to say anyone that allows LGBTQ people to have rights and supports public health care are the far left, so I guess it depends on (wrong) perspective.

[Harvey Specter]

The thing with LGBTQ is that the whole movement felt like it was being shoved down our throats. I'm all for equal rights, but the LGBTQ movement felt manufactured, and expecting people to just fall in line with drastic changes and agree with everything being pushed was asking too much.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

The thing with LGBTQ is that the whole movement felt like it was being shoved down our throats. I'm all for equal rights, but the LGBTQ movement felt manufactured, and expecting people to just fall in line with drastic changes and agree with everything being pushed was asking too much.

What drastic changes are there?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Eh the far left and the far right are both miserable pieces of shit, most of them are on or should be on anti depressants and they hate their lives. The far right want the libs to suffer and the far left wants to ruin the lives of anyone who doesn't think exactly the way they do.

That's kinda bullshit and totally different things.

For one, the far left is far smaller than the far right - we don't exactly have communists and vegans protesting in the streets or storming the capitol though. No one on the far left is trying to overthrow the govt. No one is trying to make us work in a commune. To conflate the behaviour of the far right with what the far left wants is reductionist bullshit. The far right wants to kill me, the far left wants me to pay more taxes, burn less oil, and eat less meat.

The two sides come from such different places - Conservatives start with "It's never happened to me so I don't care" and the left start with "It should never happen to anyone". The far right/left versions of those statements have "radically" different impacts to society.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by supafamous

That's kinda bullshit and totally different things.

For one, the far left is far smaller than the far right

Sure the far right has bigger numbers, although the left has the numbers to win every election but they choose to not show up to the polls.

My point was more to the comment of the left are hated because they are smarter and happier. The far left is far from that in both regards, they are borderline insane.

These comments are to the far left, not normal people.

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

What drastic changes are there?

There have been major cultural shifts from gender neutral washrooms and transgender athletes in sports to LGBTQ topics being introduced in schools. I would say many people see these as a rapid departure from traditional values and feel pressured to accept social changes they don't agree with or voted for.

Whether one supports them or not, it’s undeniable they’ve had a significant impact.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Sure the far right has bigger numbers, although the left has the numbers to win every election but they choose to not show up to the polls.

If by that you mean young people sure. If not, I don't really believe this is true but I don't have the data to prove or disprove it.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

My point was more to the comment of the left are hated because they are smarter and happier. The far left is far from that in both regards, they are borderline insane. These comments are to the far left, not normal people.

Who are these far left people? And what forums do they have to spread their message? If they are borderline insane how does that compare to people who try to overthrow the government? And who want to commit genocide? Are they buying social media platforms to promote their views? There's not a single social media platform or major media organisation that's left wing, much less far left.

Off the top of my head I can't name a single far left activist (I guess Greta Thunberg? - I don't know her policies beyond climate change) that has a platform. Any fringe far left political party gets little to no support and any pull they have is clearly not working as none of the left political parties are moving in that direction - the BC NDP is a left-centre party, the federal NDP is in a partnership with the Liberals, and the Democrats have rejected even Bernie Sanders and are cozied up to billionaires as well.

Edit: What are these far left people you're referring to and what is borderline insane about what they are proposing?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

There have been major cultural shifts from gender neutral washrooms and transgender athletes in sports to LGBTQ topics being introduced in schools. I would say many people see these as a rapid departure from traditional values and feel pressured to accept social changes they don't agree with or voted for.

Whether one supports them or not, it’s undeniable they’ve had a significant impact.

Gender neutral washrooms still feel a bit weird (like how the library I was at today had no urinals in the men's washroom) to me but the transgender athlete thing is a completely made up issue. It's documented that when Conservatives felt they had lost the gay marriage battle that they were looking for something else to rally around and they kept throwing things on the wall till transgender people started sticking.

Next thing you know dicks on chicks as predators using women's washrooms was a thing and then it became the athletes. It was a non-existent thing that they then whipped up fear around and now it's become a big deal. The media bought the story (even when the data said it was a total non-issue) and it's spun out of control not because it's a big cultural change but the right was able to create a false narrative of fear around it. Transgender people have been using washrooms since the start of time! They've been athletes too! If Cons were concerned about kids being molested they should look at their churches instead.

[unit]

cultural shifts sure, but direct impacts? tampons in mens bathrooms, not that ive ever seen it before, would have zero effect on anyone. if a butch chick came into the mens bathroom wearing flannel and a bass pro hat and took one and went into a stall, like who tf cares?

[westopher]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Sure the far right has bigger numbers, although the left has the numbers to win every election but they choose to not show up to the polls.

My point was more to the comment of the left are hated because they are smarter and happier. The far left is far from that in both regards, they are borderline insane.

These comments are to the far left, not normal people.

The point is that everyone left of nazi is far left to these maga people. I should have used the term libs in parenthesis.

[Traum]

I am guessing some people -- including myself at times -- find the left-leaning/progressive movements and agendas to be too prevalent, or blown out of proportion. For example, according to Stats Canada, the LGBTQ+ community consists of ~4% of Canada's population. With 4% representation, you'd expect it to receive roughly 4%'s worth of exposure when you are out in the world interacting with things. But for some people, they keep thinking these left-leaning agenda keeps coming up, and end up occupying far more than 4% of the time.

It may or may not be true that the actual amount of attention given to these left-leaning agendas is more than 4%. To those who have fairly traditional values, even if the real life actual attention/exposure of these topics may only amount to 1 or 2%, in their eyes, they may perceive it as having 30 - 40% of the the world's time and attention. And bcos of that, they get annoyed.

I am only using LGBTQ+ as an example here, but at any given point in time, a LOT of progressive agendas appear as front and center issues that draw our attention. It could be safe injection sites, housing advocates for the homeless, the banning of plastic straws and bags, along with their paper or synthetic weave replacements, gender neutral washrooms, climate change, etc. etc. Each time it might be a different topic, but at least I can see how non-progressive thinking people get really annoyed because they think these leftard agendas are constantly bombarding their world, when they really do not believe in them.

[westopher]

The reason they become prevalent is because of pushback. If it wasn't for a bunch of loudmouths calling trans people rapists and groomers it would have just been sorted for them and there would be no fight. For every person that asked for a tampon in a mens washroom there's 20000 that took it as the fight they needed to fight against which mobilizes the left to say "hey fuck you why can't we accommodate this extremely tiny detail to make someones life better" which creates the "left agenda" people are so scared of.
Make no mistake, when someone actively tries to make someones life better, and someone who it has absolutely no negative effect on makes it a problem, there's one side that is clearly wrong and one that is right. You can say it's subjective, but it isn't.
I don't want tampons in the mens bathroom, but if someone does, I truly don't give a fuck because it doesn't hurt me. Once someone attacks that person, I now give a fuck, or many fucks.
If someone got ganged up on in the schoolyard for being different, I'd gladly start swinging on their behalf. You can be the bullies or you can be the person that stands up to the bullshit, even if you don't understand it or identify with it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

There have been major cultural shifts from gender neutral washrooms and transgender athletes in sports to LGBTQ topics being introduced in schools. I would say many people see these as a rapid departure from traditional values and feel pressured to accept social changes they don't agree with or voted for.

Whether one supports them or not, it’s undeniable they’ve had a significant impact.

Is it actual changes, or just podcast/twitter outrage?

Things like tampons in the men's room, or trans people using public bathrooms is pure rage bait for retards. The Athletic debate is one worth having.

I'm asking honestly because I am completely removed from it. I know it's outrage bait more than anything, but I also know I'll get honest answers from certain people here

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Who are these far left people? And what forums do they have to spread their message?

I mean have you ever been on Reddit, or Twitter before Elon bought it? There was a period of time where it seemed like it's sole purpose was finding some shit on someone and then harrassing their employer until they canned the person. Let's not pretend like these weirdos don't actually exist at all and make no difference in the world.

The issue with LGBTQ rights is that it's not enough that you agree they should have rights, it's that you must agree with any whacky idea they feel is their right as well. Sorry I don't agree with every single thing they want, it doesn't make me automatically wrong. I don't agree with a lot of leftist ideas, it doesn't mean I'm team Trump either.

[CivicBlues]

People say that wealth inequality is going to reach a tipping point.

Well, remember Occupy Wall Street? Not that long ago 2011ish...no? Yeah, Trans-hysteria is why.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I mean have you ever been on Reddit, or Twitter before Elon bought it? There was a period of time where it seemed like it's sole purpose was finding some shit on someone and then harrassing their employer until they canned the person. Let's not pretend like these weirdos don't actually exist at all and make no difference in the world.

The issue with LGBTQ rights is that it's not enough that you agree they should have rights, it's that you must agree with any whacky idea they feel is their right as well. Sorry I don't agree with every single thing they want, it doesn't make me automatically wrong. I don't agree with a lot of leftist ideas, it doesn't mean I'm team Trump either.

Have you ever done something that you think people would harass you on twitter about?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

Make no mistake, when someone actively tries to make someones life better, and someone who it has absolutely no negative effect on makes it a problem, there's one side that is clearly wrong and one that is right. You can say it's subjective, but it isn't.

While you and I may find that something making someone's life better has absolutely no negative effect, or it being a problem -- tampon in the men's bathroom, or getting rid of gender-specific bathrooms to a purely non-gender-specific bathroom, for example -- others may not feel the same way as we would. Another guy might find the tampon machine unnecessary, an another guy might find its presence taking up some perfectly good space that could have been used to install a hand dryer / paper towel dispenser or something else. Or a guy / girl might feel weirded out when they walk out of a stall in a gender-neutral washroom, and see people of the other gender. So in that case, they may feel like they have lost something, and people generally don't like losing stuff.

And then you have the more controversial issues like safe injection sites, social housing, or whatever other topic of the day might be, and then people get really personal about it.

That's the problem with these things -- everyone falls on a different place on the ideological spectrum, and once it becomes personal, everything becomes exponentially difficult.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Have you ever done something that you think people would harass you on twitter about?

Nowadays, the mere suggestion on social media -- esp within some sort of FB group -- that people should go get their seasonal flu & COVID shots is enough to ignite WW3.

I get that some people don't want to get / don't believe in vaccines. I think those who do not believe in modern science are stupid, but hey, that's (mostly) your problem. If you don't agree with modern science, at least you can just refrain from chiming in?

But nooooo~ Of course they have to say vaccines are the most toxic substance anyone can subject themselves to, and how the government is trying to strip away your freedom and shxt.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Have you ever done something that you think people would harass you on twitter about?

I was a child of the 90s so fuck yeah, if I recorded my teenage years I'd probably have been harassed simply by saying the N word while singing along to a rap song I liked at the time. In highschool my friends called eachother 'fag' all the time, we were teens.

Luckily social media wasn't a thing back then cause who knows what dumb shit I would have wrote when I was 16. Does that need to follow me my whole life, or get brought up when I'm in my mid 30s and a completely different person?

You've never done or said something that the internet would give you shit about in your whole life?