Trump thread 2.0

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I was a child of the 90s so fuck yeah, if I recorded my teenage years I'd probably have been harassed simply by saying the N word while singing along to a rap song I liked at the time. In highschool my friends called eachother 'fag' all the time, we were teens.

Luckily social media wasn't a thing back then cause who knows what dumb shit I would have wrote when I was 16. Does that need to follow me my whole life, or get brought up when I'm in my mid 30s and a completely different person?

You've never done or said something that the internet would give you shit about in your whole life?

I'm not talking about the 90's I'm talking about now, since that's what you're concerned about. You said that The Left is looking to harass you and report you to your employer for something you said or did. Did you do that? Or have you considered doing such a thing but thought twice about it because the Lefties would harass you or your employer about it?

OR

Are you just a normal person, living a normal life that doesn't freak out about fake narratives?

I think that's how most people live. But you have been trained to be angry at these non existent people who are out there trying to make you lose your job.

You hear about these horror stories all the time, but where do they come from? People like Joe Rogan whose goal is to feed into this fake culture war, which we saw the result of in the last election. And now the country is paying for it. Yes, companies are able to remove tampons from the men's room, but how much do eggs cost now? How is the rule of law looking? How about the Department of Education? They got you.

Remember that thread someone posted about the trans person reading books to kids, and he posted an unrelated video of some weird sexual art performance thinking that's what they were doing in front of the kids? That guy was the really dumb version of what is happening to everyone.

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

People say that wealth inequality is going to reach a tipping point.

Well, remember Occupy Wall Street? Not that long ago 2011ish...no? Yeah, Trans-hysteria is why.

Hands up who forgot all the riots across the US that pretty much erupted immediately after Hilary conceded... Not My President, Love Trumps Hate, etc...

Won't lie, I forgot... lol... too distracted by Jan 6th

[whitev70r]

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[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

I am guessing some people -- including myself at times -- find the left-leaning/progressive movements and agendas to be too prevalent, or blown out of proportion.

Isn't this really a case of the pushback (as Westopher points out) rather than the actual change itself that's the problem? Like when plastic straws went away there wasn't some big left wing announcements of "We've got you now!", it was people who didn't like change who complained and made it a story. Years later, do many people even give a crap that we use paper straws? They work fine for me. I even like the strawless cup covers some places have like NY Fries and Costco better. It wasn't the left hopping on podcasts proclaiming victory over the plastic industrial complex, it was Joe Rogan saying this was another case of "woke-ism gone wild" without having actually used the straws.

Originally Posted by Traum

I am only using LGBTQ+ as an example here, but at any given point in time, a LOT of progressive agendas appear as front and center issues that draw our attention. It could be safe injection sites, housing advocates for the homeless, the banning of plastic straws and bags, along with their paper or synthetic weave replacements, gender neutral washrooms, climate change, etc. etc. Each time it might be a different topic, but at least I can see how non-progressive thinking people get really annoyed because they think these leftard agendas are constantly bombarding their world, when they really do not believe in them.

To me it's the non-progressives who are bombarding us with their opposition rather than the progressives telling us about the changes. I would not know much about safe injection sites or re-housing efforts of homeless (or drug addicts) if it were for conservatives getting outraged (for nothing) and making it a story in the news.

Tangent: When I lived in Victoria, I lived next to a what I think was a facility for mentally ill folks - I never knew for sure b/c I never asked, it was never labelled, and no one gave one shit about it being there. It was in a total residential area by the water. I had one weird interaction with them my first week there but for 5.5 years they were totally harmless people - they sat outside all day doing nothing. I'd sometimes forget to lock my front door and never felt concerned about them (or anyone else for that matter) coming in.

Putting a facility like that today in a residential neighbourhood would cause the "family first" and "safe neighbourhood" conservatives to fly out in total outrage today. It's the conservatives that I find super tiresome - seemingly every change that happens to them is a cause for outrage even if it doesn't affect them (or if it does, it's much smaller an impact than they say - like paper straws).

I do think there are ill conceived policies that get rolled out by the left like when Vancouver started forcing restaurants to start charging for bags/boxes etc. That just seemed super silly to me. The rollout of banning natural gas in new residential developments was really poorly done as well (I'm for the ban now - wasn't at first).

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I mean have you ever been on Reddit, or Twitter before Elon bought it? There was a period of time where it seemed like its sole purpose was finding some shit on someone and then harrassing their employer until they canned the person. Let's not pretend like these weirdos don't actually exist at all and make no difference in the world.

I've been on Twitter since 2008 (I learned of the US Airways crash into the Hudson on Twitter - it was amazing) and Reddit since 2011. I've never said anything publicly so stupid to merit someone going to my employer to get me fired so this has never been a concern (OTOH, if my group chats ever leaked I'd never work again). Twitter didn't turn to shit till Elon took it over - now it's hard to tell what's real or not - I get better quality info from TikTok now than from Twitter.

The cases of a "left winger" chasing someone down sure seem worthwhile - like the guy who at the Eagles game who kept harassing a woman or the Redskins fan who assaulted another fan, or people exposing BigBalls (the DOGE employee) for being a racist.

The bad cases seem to be of the far right doxxing a civil servant for doing their job.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

The issue with LGBTQ rights is that it's not enough that you agree they should have rights, it's that you must agree with any whacky idea they feel is their right as well. Sorry I don't agree with every single thing they want, it doesn't make me automatically wrong. I don't agree with a lot of leftist ideas, it doesn't mean I'm team Trump either.

You don't need to agree with all the ideas of the left - that's fine but you said the far left has borderline insane ideas and I want to know what these are that you consider far left and are borderline insane and I'd like to see the evidence of these things happening. Where are the receipts?

I'm on every social media platform and I read news from many sources ranging from the WSJ to the Post (National/Washington) to the Tyee and I can't name anything far left that get's any attention.

Is someone advocating rounding up billionaires and killing them? Is someone trying to put minorities and women into all the good jobs? Am I getting my home taken away from me so I have to live on a farm? Is someone slashing the tires on my ICE car?

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark

The issue with LGBTQ rights is that it's not enough that you agree they should have rights, it's that you must agree with any whacky idea they feel is their right as well.

Like what? Most of the "wacky ideas" I've heard of are things only a couple people have said then right wing rage baiters deliberately take out of context and blowing up to something huge.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Is someone advocating rounding up billionaires and killing them? Is someone trying to put minorities and women into all the good jobs? Am I getting my home taken away from me so I have to live on a farm? Is someone slashing the tires on my ICE car?

You're insinuating none of those things have ever happened? Shit look at the response from Luigi offing that CEO, people are perfectly ok with murder if it's for someone they don't like. People on this forum alone hope Trump gets shot all the time.

Beyond that, things like decriminalization, defund the police, voting on shit like giving every black person a million dollars for reparations etc.

But yeah, none of that has happened, it's all Joe Rogan getting in my head even though I don't listen to the guy.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

You're insinuating none of those things have ever happened? Shit look at the response from Luigi offing that CEO, people are perfectly ok with murder if it's for someone they don't like. People on this forum alone hope Trump gets shot all the time.

I'm not insinuating anything - you said, without any context, that the far left had borderline insane beliefs and made it equivalent to far right beliefs and I'm asking you to document what those borderline insane beliefs are so we can actually talk about it rather than be hand wavy about them.

For the record I wouldn't be sad to see Trump or Musk die in a bunker - both are criminals (one convicted, another I expect to see convicted one day). I wouldn't experience a moment of sadness if either met a tragic end - one has already caused the death hundreds of thousands (COVID response), the other will cause the deaths of a similar number through what he's done with USAID. They're not Hitler or Pol Pot or Mao yet but they are certainly in the Bin Laden/Hussein class of villain.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Beyond that, things like decriminalization, defund the police, voting on shit like giving every black person a million dollars for reparations etc.

That's a vast over exaggeration of what actually happened - there was a 9 person task force formed in California to study and recommend reparations for slavery. The vote was for the task force to confirm the recommendations in the report that could result in UP TO $1.2m in reparations. This is no different than other types of tasks forces who review a situation and make recommendations - like how much spending on infrastructure is needed (billions) or how much the military is underfunded.

This was not the government agreeing to it or planning to do it. In fact, the govt ended up only allocating $12m in total for it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ack-americans/

https://apnews.com/article/californi...71f77c201b3030

re: Decriminalisation and defunding the police. I don't think the former is radical - it's been done successfully elsewhere - why is that radical/insane? It worked badly in BC so therefore any successful implementation of it is invalid and any further attempt at it is insane?

Defunding the police - ok, yes, some elements of it are extreme but there's some very relevant points in there - we have made police take on work that they are not trained to do (mental health issues) just like we have made fire departments respond to things out of their responsibility (that paramedics should respond to) and we should be taking budget out of the police (and the corresponding work) and funding the right services instead. I do believe American police organisations are pretty corrupt organisations with clear signs of systemic racist behaviour (well documented in many cities that have been investigated and punished by the DOJ). Why shouldn't the aggrieved feel that shutting down existing police organisations and replacing them be a solution? Time and time again we've seen that fixing them from the inside doesn't work.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by supafamous

I'm not insinuating anything - you said, without any context, that the far left had borderline insane beliefs and made it equivalent to far right beliefs and I'm asking you to document what those borderline insane beliefs are so we can actually talk about it rather than be hand wavy about them.

Ok then what are your far right concerns at the moment? You can list them out and I'll pull up some Google searches that show it's actually not that bad and most likely Russian propaganda made to divide the left and right. I'll say I don't think minors should get puberty blockers, you'll pull up the article that shows it's actually not that big of a deal because it's a small number of kids that it happens to so why worry about it at all. It's not whacky at all.

Do you think your quality of life is going to change whatsoever if Pierre wins the next election, or is it all rage bait articles that have you worried that womens rights are going out the window and we're gonna be USA Jr?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Ok then what are your far right concerns at the moment? You can list them out and I'll pull up some Google searches that show it's actually not that bad and most likely Russian propaganda made to divide the left and right. I'll say I don't think minors should get puberty blockers, you'll pull up the article that shows it's actually not that big of a deal because it's a small number of kids that it happens to so why worry about it at all. It's not whacky at all.

Why don't we just read through Project 2025 (https://www.project2025.org/policy/) and list off what has been implemented so far? Just a snippet of what they say just about USAID (which is replicated for other departments:

The next conservative Administration should dismantle USAID’s DEI apparatus by eliminating the Chief Diversity Officer position along with the DEI advisers and committees; cancel the DEI scorecard and dashboard; remove DEI requirements from contract and grant tenders and awards; issue a directive to cease promotion of the DEI agenda, including the bullying LGBTQ+ agenda; and provide staff aconfidential medium through which to adjudicate cases of political retaliation that agency or implementing staff suffered during the Biden Administration. It should eliminate funding for partners that promote discriminatory DEI practices and consider debarment in egregious cases.

DEI as a code for the N-word. Minorities and women are not as qualified as white males and it's the reason why airplanes are falling out of the sky.

There's no need to Google for things - it's right out in the open now - they've eliminated DEI across all gov't departments, they're deleting all climate and science research, they're pausing grants for health research (and killing off active studies, they're illegally accessing gov't payment systems. These have all been part of the agenda for Project 2025.

I'll throw you a couple obvious ones of the recent past:

COVID is a hoax - the US ended up with the 17th worst death rate for COVID and more than double Canada's and worse than Mexicos. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...tes_by_country). I don't know how Trump isn't in jail for this. He and his far right followers killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Vaccines cause autism (this is live) - the Republicans are putting in a known anti-vaccine activist to lead health. You'll get way more measles outbreaks from that: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/07/healt...eak/index.html We'll see a return of polio, widespread chickenpox infections and we'll see thousands of children die from this for no good reason. Vaccines do not cause autism.

Do we want to talk about gun violence particularly those in schools and how many of the shooters were inspired by the far right or were supported by parents who were far right?

The Far Right actively gets hundreds of thousands of people KILLED - there is no equivalence to one person killing a CEO (and people are celebrating it).

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Do you think your quality of life is going to change whatsoever if Pierre wins the next election, or is it all rage bait articles that have you worried that womens rights are going out the window and we're gonna be USA Jr?

I've said before about people voting Conservative - it only serves to make me richer but that doesn't make it right. The poors and the uneducated will get fucked by voting for the Leopards Eating People's Faces party.

PP is an unqualified idiot whose lives off 3 word slogans and has no policies of value to offer Canada besides trying to divide us and say that Canada is broken. Neatly enough the new slogan for the Cons "Canada First" is the same slogan the Canadian Neo-nazi group, the Proud Boys had.

[Harvey Specter]

Sheesh, I posted a couple of weeks ago about Trump likely defying the courts and possibly even the Supreme Court and, well, it looks like it might happen...

Vice President JD Vance claimed Sunday on social media that federal judges were not allowed to “control” the “legitimate” power of the executive branch after Elon Musk’s DOGE was blocked from accessing Treasury Department payment systems.

The claim shocked many and led to a call by Musk to “impeach” the judge. The head of President Donald Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) also for reforms that would see some judges removed for intervening with White House directives.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by supafamous

The Far Right actively gets hundreds of thousands of people KILLED - there is no equivalence to one person killing a CEO (and people are celebrating it).

Not to mention the CEO got rich by denying people healthcare. He had a heck of a lot of blood on his hands.

[Harvey Specter]

I guess JT wasn't lying...

President Donald Trump told the largest American television audience of the year that he plans to pursue the annexation of Canada as the nation’s 51st state.

In an interview on the Super Bowl LIX pregame show on Fox, Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked Trump about recorded comments in a private meeting made by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — in which Trudeau claimed the United States is serious about “absorbing” Canada.

“Mr. Trump has it in mind that the easiest way to do it is absorbing our country, and it is a real thing,” Trudeau said.

“Is it a real thing?” Baier asked Trump.

“Yeah, it is,” Trump replied. :I think Canada would be much better off being a 51st state. Because we lose $200 billion a year with Canada. And I’m not going to let that happen too much. Why are we paying $200 billion a year essentially in subsidy to Canada? Now if they are a 51st state, I don’t mind doing it.”

Baier went on to ask Trump about the prospect of tariffs.

“You said tariff is a beautiful word,” Baier said. “There are some signs in the markets, consumer confidence, that they’re a little jittery. So if all goes to plan, when do you think families would be able to feel prices going down, groceries, energy? Or are you kind of saying to them, hang on. Inflation may get worse until it gets better?”

“No, I think we’re going to become a rich — look, we’re not that rich right now,” Trump said. “We have $36 trillion. That’s because we let all these nations take advantage of us. Same thing, like 200 billion with Canada. We have 300… We have a deficit with Mexico of $350 billion. I’m not going to do that! I’m not going to let that happen!”

[SkinnyPupp]

The Trumpists can no longer say "Oh he's just joking, don't get trolled lol" whenever he says something insane

Noticed they all stopped speaking up? All those stupid laughing emojis they posted when he won are going to turn into real tears soon

[Tapioca]

The average Canadian in favour of annexation could never immigrate to the US through legal channels (marriage notwithstanding) because they typically don't have the skills Americans want. The average Trump supporter in Canada would also never work under the table as a labourer either, like so many Latinos do.

I don't see them getting quieter - their voices will only get louder, aided by the algorithms and AI-influencers.

But the issue is that these people who are most susceptible don't vote in high enough numbers. The Conservatives know this and unfortunately for them, this latest interview where it's hard to refute what Trump said is only going to hurt them more amongst the 60-70% of where the voting public is.

[supafamous]

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The spinelessness of folks like JD Vance is incredible - married to an Indian women with kids who are half Indian and he goes and defends the racist DOGE employee who said "Normalise Indian Hate" among other things.

Same for Marco Rubio who is on record many times saying USAID is really important yet now he spouts Elon's lines about USAID being corrupt. The Soviets (and now China) laughing their asses as off as the self destruction of US foreign policy means they get the spoils.

[Harvey Specter]

What's even more bizarre is that there's an Indian on the Doge team. There's also a Chinese kid. Maybe they're incels as well.

[68style]

Nevermind it’s not like he said that shit on social media in 2011 and is a “different person” now… it was literally 4 months ago ffs

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

Sheesh, I posted a couple of weeks ago about Trump likely defying the courts and possibly even the Supreme Court and, well, it looks like it might happen...

With the previous Supreme Court ruling, there is really no need for Trump to obey the courts, esp when it is really an official matter.

I wonder what is going through the heads of those 6 conservative judges at the Supreme Court right now. Do they even realize what sort of atrocities they have unleashed with their previous ruling?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

With the previous Supreme Court ruling, there is really no need for Trump to obey the courts, esp when it is really an official matter.

I wonder what is going through the heads of those 6 conservative judges at the Supreme Court right now. Do they even realize what sort of atrocities they have unleashed with their previous ruling?

I think maybe only the Chief Justice is going to be concerned both for his legacy and b/c he's somewhat moderate (he saved Obamacare). The other 5 are pretty hard right justices particularly Alito and Thomas (and somewhat Gorsuch) - this was not a decision made for the good of the nation but to make Conservatives more powerful.

[Traum]

Another deeply troubling proposal that Trump brought up is the US occupation of Gaza. Of course it received some attention from the news, but I feel like given the gravity of what is really means, it is not at all receiving the attention it deserves.

According to human rights advocates, apparently the occupation proposal amounts to ethnic cleansing because it involves the forced and involuntary deportation of the Gaza residents from their homeland, and ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity in international criminal law. If it were to go ahead, it would put US on the same footing as China doing ethnic cleansing to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, and Myanmar to the Rohingyas in modern history. And if we were to go back in time just a little bit, it would put Trump at just half a step below Hitler since Hitler has both deported and executed Jews, whereas Trump has only planned on deporting Gazans (for now).

Of course, the ICC has no teeth, and both past presidents (GWB and Biden) have threatened or applied sanctions towards ICC judges and staff for prosecuting Americans and American allies (ie. Israel). In this regard, the US has not been a model citizen / member as far as the ICC is concerned. But having a US president commit a crime against humanity would be a first.

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by supafamous

I think maybe only the Chief Justice is going to be concerned both for his legacy and b/c he's somewhat moderate (he saved Obamacare). The other 5 are pretty hard right justices particularly Alito and Thomas (and somewhat Gorsuch) - this was not a decision made for the good of the nation but to make Conservatives more powerful.

Actually, John Roberts talked about respecting the court and the rule of law in his end of year message in December. The Supreme Court has leaned in Trump's favour, but for them to go all in would be unprecedented.

Also, as one Republican put it, you're giving a future Democrat President the same powers as Trump, so don't get too giddy.

[SkinnyPupp]

Trump to pause enforcement of law banning bribery of foreign officials

President Donald Trump will sign an executive order directing the Department of Justice to pause enforcing a nearly half-century-old law that prohibits American companies and foreign firms from bribing officials of foreign governments to obtain or retain business.

The pause will be implemented to avoid putting U.S. businesses at an economic disadvantage to foreign competitors.

[Dbone]

Expand that swamp!

[68style]

What logic... international entities are bribing officials!

Instead of investigating / closing that off... make it legal for national ones to do it too!