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Britain and Germany both issue travel warnings to their citizens who are visiting the US. It's a big deal because, in most sane countries, if your documents are perfectly in order the worst that can happen is you get sent back to your country but the UK and Germany are telling their citizens that the US is unsafe for them if they make even a small mistake in their travels.
LOL~ And this totally seals the deal for me to avoid travelling to the US in the next 4 years. I regularly denounce Trump and his nonsensical policies on social media and in chat groups. So if I get "randomly sampled" for inspection, they are gonna ban my a$$ from getting into the States.
IIRC, once you're banned, the status remains for at least 5 years, right? And with practically no recourse to reverse the decision?
Also, with roughly 1/2 of the country having voted against Trump, do Americans get labelled as "domestic terrorists" as well for trash talking about Trump? Border control can't deny entry to US citizens, but they can certainly lock their a$$es up when a "terrorist" label gets slapped around.
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
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It's ok to storm the Capitol but not okay to vandalise a Tesla dealership.
They are burning teslas, SHOOTING into the dealerships, drawing stwastikas on cars, keying the cars of random people who have nothing to do with Elon Musk... are you this brainwashed?
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? These are not comparable.
This is what I mean by being a redditor.. I'm 100% sure you are in that echo chamber. Get off the internet.
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They are burning teslas, SHOOTING into the dealerships, drawing stwastikas on cars, keying the cars of random people who have nothing to do with Elon Musk... are you this brainwashed?
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? These are not comparable.
This is what I mean by being a redditor.. I'm 100% sure you are in that echo chamber. Get off the internet.
Are you saying throwing Molotov cocktails into a Tesla dealership is worse than storming the Capitol building of the US?
The actions that resulted in the charges:
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Frederick allegedly threw rocks as well as an incendiary device into the dealership near parked cars, starting a fire that was quickly extinguished. He’s reportedly charged with the use of incendiary devices in a felony, possession of such devices, second-degree arson, and criminal mischief.
Nelson, meanwhile, is accused of spray-painting the word “Nazi” on the dealership’s front windows and was allegedly found by police to have a car with gasoline and Molotov cocktail materials inside. Nelson was reportedly charged with malicious destruction of property and released on bond.
In South Carolina, meanwhile, Clarke-Pounder, 24, was reportedly arrested last week and is facing federal arson charges for allegedly throwing Molotov cocktails at a Tesla charging station in North Charleston.
This is worse than breaking into Nancy Pelosi's office? Worse than trying to hunt down Mike Pence so they could hang him? Worse than injuring 174 cops? Worse than causing numerous leaders of the nation into hiding behind barricaded doors?
It's like they forgot about proud boys and Charlottesville and pizzagate and back the blue and and and....
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Are you saying throwing Molotov cocktails into a Tesla dealership is worse than storming the Capitol building of the US?
The actions that resulted in the charges:
This is worse than breaking into Nancy Pelosi's office? Worse than trying to hunt down Mike Pence so they could hang him? Worse than injuring 174 cops? Worse than causing numerous leaders of the nation into hiding behind barricaded doors?
The people charging the Tesla protestors are the same ones that pardoned everyone involved in Jan 6.
Seriously, what the FUCK is wrong with YOU?
Those two are the same to you, aren't they?
I'll say it again...
You ARE brainwashed if you think that one justifies the other.
One was a walk-in allowed by capitol police and then went too far where individuals having served 3+ years in prison...
The other is attacking individual dealerships, individual owners of vehicles that Musk was already compensated for by said owners.
All you will accomplish is hurt individual owners, individual workers, the people responding to the fires and innocent people getting hurt, not him.
These comments by you should be something you look back on later and feel embarrassed by.
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He didn't even come close to saying one justifies the other. It's that one is worse than the other, one is domestic terrorism, and one is vandalism. The one that's actually domestic terrorism is now nothing, because everyone is pardoned.
And now the one that's vandalism is domestic terrorism because it affects an oligarch.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
No one should be supporting either of these things. People suddenly cheer on fucking with other people's property because guys were pardoned on the other side? You should be disgusted by both sides and not want anything to do with either of these types of people. If you have time to storm the capital or run around calling anyone who drives a Tesla a Nazi, chances are you're a fucking loser in life who's sole purpose is to want everyone else to be stuck in the same rut as you.
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Like I said before, personal property vandalism or threats I'm against. But if someone's gonna vandalize a dealership vehicle, meh. Any threats that can affect Tesla employees or like a fucking fire bomb is obviously a big problem.
Like I said above though, these people are being called terrorists by the state, while people who tried to overturn election results via rioting and threatening to kill politicians essentially are treated as though it just never happened.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
If you're going around lighting up cars and throwing Molotov cocktails at shit you should definitely be considered a threat to the safety of the general public and be prosecuted. This isn't something a rational person does just because they are mad at big bad Elon. Bare minimum this person needs to have their mental health examined cause something is off upstairs.
It's a slippery slope when you start supporting one sides crazy just because you want to stick it to the other side.
1. Should the law apply equally to everyone? I think it should. In the case of the vandalism and J6 the law clearly isn't being applied equally and we're seeing more and more that it's not just about criminal behaviours but even disagreements with the people in power - witness the detainments and deportations of people including the Frenchman who was sent back for having text messages speaking out against Trump.
We have criminals running the US govt right now and they are applying the rules differently depending on whether you are on their side or not (who was that Republican congressman that assaulted his g/f who got off on it b/c the DOJ wouldn't sign the warrant? that was a few weeks ago and we've forgotten it already). If vandalising a Tesla dealer is worthy of being labelled a domestic terrorist then those who participated in J6 should be serving life in prison, not walking around freely.
What's happening is the tearing down of democracy in the US - it's a dictatorship in the same vein as China and Russia. We'll soon have people falling out of windows.
2. Are protests which involve violence bad? I don't think violence by itself is bad as a form of protest - sometimes revolution or dissent DOES require violence (history shows this is the case). You can't always be Martin Luther King Jr, sometimes you need to be Malcolm X. Sometimes diplomacy is not the answer. I don't really know where the line is drawn on when it becomes - at a minimum it's bad if the basis of it is founded on lies (like J6). Are the Palestinians bad for fighting for their existence? An existence which is absolutely justified and for which they were absolutely wronged by the Western world?
Thought I forgot to include: What Elon is specifically doing, especially with USAID, will result in the death of tens of thousands of people (likely hundreds of thousands) for no reason beyond him disagreeing with it (he's found no fraud and virtually no waste so far). The money isn't being fraudulently spent and it's not being spent for no reason (humanitarian, soft power, diplomatic reasons - all valid).
An UNELECTED individual is going to MURDER people by illegally shutting down gov't programs which have been legally funded by legally elected officials. There's no rational, logical case for what he's doing. If he doesn't like it go through the proper channels - rally support for it and have it cut from the budget.
What's the appropriate response to this behaviour? Pearl clutching? Lawsuits? Protests against his businesses? Violence? Wait till the next election?
Thought I forgot to include: What Elon is specifically doing, especially with USAID, will result in the death of tens of thousands of people
"If you don't continue wasting billions, people will die!"
So be it. Those are my tax dollars, you will have to go convince kids in other countries to become they / them with your own money.
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for no reason beyond him disagreeing with it
Wrong. It's my tax dollars, fund your own garbage with your own money.
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he's found no fraud and virtually no waste so far
Hey, here's a website with total savings, saving's per tax payer with receipts to back it up.
doge.gov/savings
Whether you're lying on purpose or willfully ignorant, the proof is there regardless.
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The money isn't being fraudulently spent and it's not being spent for no reason (humanitarian, soft power, diplomatic reasons - all valid).
Money IS being fraudulently spent. I know, it's a shocker that the government lies, wastes money and is corrupt, especially when your main source of news and information is reddit, but the pentagon for example can not pass a single audit. Maybe if someone you do like (because you are told to) says it, you will listen.
Wrong.
WE the people elected President Trump who then appointed Musk to a role. This is how the government works. But I know you used 'unelected' as some sort of talking point because again, that is what you're being fed.
And man...do you gulp it up.
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is going to MURDER people by illegally shutting down gov't programs
Haha!
Nice one.
The government is not your daddy, it is not your mommy and just because people get used to suckling on it's teat doesn't mean murder when you cut off the free ride. With that said, SS and other necessary programs are staying.
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There's no rational, logical case for what he's doing.
I can think of one....36T of debt.
If the interest on this debt exceeds GDP this will create a cycle where all your money goes to satisfy the interest. This is bad because it could cause a default.
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If he doesn't like it go through the proper channels - rally support for it and have it cut from the budget.
It is being done properly. Cutting programs that we created... is as legal as it was creating them.
The rallying support was the overwhelming vote for Pres. Trump and his cabinet and appointee's.
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What's the appropriate response to this behaviour?
Apparently crying and posting your self doing so on tiktok.
Setting Tesla dealerships on fire. Keying / vandalizing private property. Continuing to cry wolf and "NAZI!".
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Wait till the next election?
Apparently there will never be another election and Trump is Hitler and he's gonna murder all the immigrants!
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It's ok to storm the Capitol but not okay to vandalise a Tesla dealership.
Don’t forget. The people that stormed the capital WERE charged and many were sentenced and served jail time. Trump pardoned most of them when he came into power. So the people burning down Tesla dealerships will be charged, and then when the democrats come back into power, they can be pardoned. And we will all say that it’s ok to storm the capitol or vandalize a Tesla dealerships because you will eventually be pardoned.
Don’t forget. The people that stormed the capital WERE charged and many were sentenced and served jail time. Trump pardoned most of them when he came into power. So the people burning down Tesla dealerships will be charged, and then when the democrats come back into power, they can be pardoned. And we will all say that it’s ok to storm the capitol or vandalize a Tesla dealerships because you will eventually be pardoned.
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There is no chance people who threw Molotov cocktails at a Tesla dealer will be pardoned by the democrats, especially not en masse like the January 6th retards.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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