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The issue is he’d still criticize Obama for it.
I don’t give a shit he’s golfing, but it’s the perfect example, because it was repeated by him so often in Obama’s presidency, about trumps hypocrisy. His clear set of standards for others that he’d never come within a mile of meeting.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Is the virus not most effective indoors and with people with poor health? How dare Trump go outside, be somewhat physically active, and promote such behaviour for Americans. This may surprise those of you suffering with Trump Derangement Syndrome, but a part of being a leader, is to lead by example.
You can't see the hypocrisy there huh?
I doubt it would even make the same news if he hasn't made such an issue with it previously. No one is saying Trump shouldn't be outside and exercise. In fact, no one should be saying the contrary, but guess what, Trump did.
Has Obama lambasted Trump for his continued excessive golf? Not at all.
Throughout Obama's entire presidency, Trump sat on the sidelines throwing complaint after complaint about Obama golfing, to the point in which he literally said "If I was president, I'd stop golfing entirely".
That's the problem here, you can't throw stones when you live in a literal glass house..
You can't even call the guy out on his obvious hypocrisy, huh?
Brandishing AR-15s in State Capitol blocking ways to hospital in the middle of a pandemic: nothing happens.
Protesting one of your own getting murdered in broad daylight with multiple eyewitnesses from different ethnicity and recorded uncut on tape: military shows up, cops in riot gear firing flash bangs and macing people.
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What's it like to be white I wonder.
Ehhhh it's pretty good I guess. The only negative these days (specifically to being white), is that with certain groups of people, they believe that because we don't understand, we don't care. We also don't know what we can really do to set things straight. Many of us do our best with how we treat others, we protest, we stand behind them. We vote based on it, we criticize, refuse to associate, try to convince, and even punish those that we see refusing to acknowledge the racism, and perpetuate the behaviour.
What can a middle class white guy do on top of these things? Many of us are willing to listen.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Ehhhh it's pretty good I guess. The only negative these days (specifically to being white), is that with certain groups of people, they believe that because we don't understand, we don't care. We also don't know what we can really do to set things straight. Many of us do our best with how we treat others, we protest, we stand behind them. We vote based on it, we criticize, refuse to associate, try to convince, and even punish those that we see refusing to acknowledge the racism, and perpetuate the behaviour.
What can a middle class white guy do on top of these things? Many of us are willing to listen.
I'm not quite sure how to word it, but I think the easiest and most effective thing is to recognize the privilege you have, and maybe more people need to work on revoking that privilege so everyone is on an equal level. That's a very general way of putting it I think.
It might help to try really hard to imagine being in someone else's shoes... It's difficult and takes concentration, but after a while it just becomes a normal way of thinking. If EVERYONE were to do this, the world would be so much better.
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I understand the second part, and believe many of us live by that fairly well. I mean, empathy is an unmentioned driver of the actions I posted though, is it not?
The thing is, how can I quantifiably revoke my privilege? Do I give up my job? Do I give up my cars, my home? Of course I wouldn't be willing to do that. I, and we, can't change the past that's allowed us to end up where we are, nor can we even be reasonably expected to quantify that.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I'm sure someone much smarter than me, and there's plenty of those out there, can probably put it better, but I think acknowledgement and awareness is the first thing to do. And from there, you can think to yourself "are things going this way because of my privilege?". What you do with that info is up to you.
I agree it's fucked. There's nothing we did to get this privilege, just like there's nothing black people or FN people, for example, did to get their disfranchisement.
But before anyone can do ANYTHING about it, the very first thing people need to do is acknowledge it.
As for the protests and riots, the first thing to do there, IMHO, is NOT just shrug it off as part of life like I saw someone do in the George Floyd thread. That's a huge problem. That form of apathy is exactly how tyrants get away with making things shitty for certain people and good for other people. Even having the ability to be apathetic is such a huge huge privilege for instance. Where would we be if every repressed group "kept their heads down and lived their lives", from black people, to women, to gay people and everyone else. Why can't people want things to be better? Why can't people who HAVE things better be supportive of that?
Anyway it's a really complicated thing and I think I'm having trouble putting my thoughts and emotions to words lately.
I really don't think you can just revoke something like that. In my opinion the only way is time. Look how far we've come (and how far we still have to go) in the last 150 or so years, a tiny blip in time. Every generation thinks differently than the last. Sure there will always be that group of people, but the numbers will dwindle. There's nothing you can do to fix the issue all at once, it starts with one thing and snowballs over years of change.
I know, not a great answer for those in a shitty spot at this very moment, but some of the old dinosaurs need to die off before we can get some real change.
Be aware is the first thing, I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to people here in Vancouver who have no idea of what's going on down in the US in terms of police brutality, the criminal justice system, and the systemic ingrained white supremacy that is within almost every institution down there.
I find it exhausting sometimes to teach people about what's going on, and what has been going on for decades, many thought that just because Obama was voted in, racism was dead.
So yes, being aware, knowing the prejudice is the first thing a white person can do.
Trudeau made an excellent point yesterday when he acknowledge that Canada also has a racism issue when it comes to black people.
I've been called nigger countless times in school when I was a kid, most notably in elementary school, where I had countless fights. To a lesser degree in high school as well. Those kids would only know that language from their parents, and those kids will likely teach their kids the same crap.
As an adult, I haven't had a person have the balls to say that to my face, however you definitely get that "feeling" with some folks, especially in certain communities that I have spoken about on this forum in the past.
You know the number one thing you can do? You might not be a racist or harbor those feelings, but maybe you have a few friends who like to drop some "nigger" jokes, maybe you have an uncle, or a family member that does.
Silence is death. The number one thing you can do is speak up, don't allow your buddy to make that joke or comment, don't let that family member espouse that garbage.
Since this is a Trump thread, even in a time of crisis such as this, he still finds ways to outdo his venomous rhetoric.
He decides to tweet about shooting looters, another dog-whistle, about setting vicious dogs on protesters, and then like a coward, pretending he didn't mean exactly what he said. This man is a fucking clown, and this why people like myself simply cannot, and never wil,l understand a person that supporters this human trash.
If Trump gets re-elected somehow, these protests/riots will look like Thanksgiving Day parades in comparison...
And if he does, it means the whole system needs to be burned to the ground and started up over. It doesn't mean we're wrong about democracy, but the way America is going about it is. We'll have to wait and see though.
We can agree to disagree, but I think I'd rather have Duffy Donald for another 4yrs than having Biden. And this is from a person who's politically center-left.
Put it this way, I think Trump is just dealing America stuff in a more "business-like" kinda way rather than the Saint approach Obama has taken. It's a bit more selfish, a bit more arrogant, but nothing I wouldn't expect.
Biden is looking to take the US to a socialism kinda country, and an extreme one at that too. And given how much reliance Canada has on US, I wouldn't want to be in a position of join them or burn kinda situation.
I like democrats and I consider myself democrat-leaning... but there's no way in hell I'm voting for Biden.
I'm not quite sure how to word it, but I think the easiest and most effective thing is to recognize the privilege you have, and maybe more people need to work on revoking that privilege so everyone is on an equal level. That's a very general way of putting it I think.
It might help to try really hard to imagine being in someone else's shoes... It's difficult and takes concentration, but after a while it just becomes a normal way of thinking. If EVERYONE were to do this, the world would be so much better.
That’s a little weird. I don’t even understand what that means
I can't imagine anyone who's "democrat leaning" voting for Trump. Trump vs Biden and Biden is the loose cannon? What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm no Biden nut-hugger but I'm supporting the people he'll put in power over whoever Trumps next son-in-law is. America is so full of shit. They love capitalism when it works for the well off but completely ignore the "socialist" practices they have in place in their "capitalist" country.
I can't imagine anyone who's "democrat leaning" voting for Trump. Trump vs Biden and Biden is the loose cannon? What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm no Biden nut-hugger but I'm supporting the people he'll put in power over whoever Trumps next son-in-law is. America is so full of shit. They love capitalism when it works for the well off but completely ignore the "socialist" practices they have in place in their "capitalist" country.
I just think people who wanted real significant change through Bernie felt completely let down by the DNC, and rightfully so.
Biden will mean no significant change to the political system, but people will still come around and support him, just because the alternative is so dire.
That’s a little weird. I don’t even understand what that means
It means acknowledging that people shouldn't have power over other people because of race. I think most non racists would agree with that. If not, they have some learning to do.
But the same non racists may not want to give up that privilege. The instance we're seeing these days of course is remaining silent about it, hoping that it blows over. "It'll just happen again anyway" right?
I just think people who wanted real significant change through Bernie felt completely let down by the DNC, and rightfully so.
Biden will mean no significant change to the political system, but people will still come around and support him, just because the alternative is so dire.
I'm more annoyed by people who just give up after their candidate is out of the running. If Republican voters have anything right it's that they are loyal to the cause. Any Republican is better than any Democrat. If Democrats felt that way maybe they would get somewhere. Instead they just bitch after the election when they have no power at all.
If they think four more years of Trump is better than Biden then you deserve everything you get, shut the fuck up and take it up the ass because you didn't vote for anyone.
I'm more annoyed by people who just give up after their candidate is out of the running. If Republican voters have anything right it's that they are loyal to the cause. Any Republican is better than any Democrat. If Democrats felt that way maybe they would get somewhere. Instead they just bitch after the election when they have no power at all.
If they think four more years of Trump is better than Biden then you deserve everything you get, shut the fuck up and take it up the ass because you didn't vote for anyone.
That's because people actually want the Dems to be MORE progressive. In many ways, they are just the same as Republicans, with just a few different policies. Trumpism notwithstanding, of course.
And the system doesn't allow a third party to be possible.
In most cases, this would lead to another REP win, but Trump is so bad people will take whatever they can get.
That's because people actually want the Dems to be MORE progressive. In many ways, they are just the same as Republicans, with just a few different policies. Trumpism notwithstanding, of course.
And the system doesn't allow a third party to be possible.
In most cases, this would lead to another REP win, but Trump is so bad people will take whatever they can get.
To some degree I can respect that, but they have to know they are playing the long game with that move. You're making a stand with the hope that after a couple of more Republican wins the Dems will smarten up. You're not voting with the knowledge that Trump will win to spite the Democrats. If you don't vote and are still shocked Trump wins it's not strategic, you're just dumb.
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