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Old 10-01-2020, 04:40 PM   #2401
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Proud Boys are a dangerous 'white supremacist' group say US agencies

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Files from the Blueleaks trove of leaked law enforcement documents reveal warnings that the Proud Boys, who some of the US agencies label as “white supremacists” and “extremists”, and others as a “gang”, show persistent concerns about the group’s menace to minority groups and even police officers, and its dissemination of dangerous conspiracy theories.
I'm not calling them white supremacists, but US Homeland Security do.... /shrugemojineeded

Also, if you wonder why most covid deniers seem to be "that type of person"....

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“the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, has been active in spreading conspiracy theories regarding Covid-19 on Twitter, Facebook, and Telegram”, suggesting that “a faction of elites are weaponizing the virus, and a vaccine would likely be a tool for population control and mind control”.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:24 PM   #2402
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It's truly sad that so many people lack the education and understanding of the history of white supremacy in the United States.

Dog-whistling is nothing new here, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a bloody duck. Let's not pretend Trump does not have a long documented history of racism, going back to before the 80's and the litany of lawsuits against him in regards to him not renting units to black families. We have innumerable firsthand accounts from his very friends and colleagues of his spoken racism. We've heard it countless times from the man himself, black people come from "shithole countries".

But here we are on this forum, debating and arguing whether the very white supremacist groups that support Trump, the groups that he dog-whistles and panders to, are even racist in the first place.

Have any of you educated yourselves on the history of David Duke, and the "new-KKK". It isn't new to see white supremacist groups evolve their public stance to be deemed more "acceptable" in a current political climate. Back in the 70's, the Klan did just that, reform their public image to appear more "clean" more acceptable as a hate group:

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...-of-Racism.pdf

Nowadays, and even back then, Klan members would claim they are not
white supremacists":

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/kkk-oth...abel-1.3198090

On face, this is laughable. Groups such as a Proud Boys, and their similar iterations are merely a further evolution on the idea of white nationalism, packaging a hate group in a more palatable public facade. You go to any of these group's forums, you will see the true nature and hate of these groups.

It's amazing how we can get pulled into these semantic arguments, in my many years of following politics, I've never seen a politician like Trump awarded these obtuse excuses and esoteric counter arguments by his supporters. Sometimes I wonder if these arguments are genuine, or if they're made in guise. It is a waste of time to argue such people who put these points forward, they are being disingenuous in their views, it's all about "winning" the argument.

Either way, I felt Biden looked weak on stage to be honest. Trump looked terrible as always, he's an awful man, woefully inept, and his performance illustrated that. There were many times in the debate where it seemed Biden was flustered or taken back, I was frustrated to see him not utilize very basic arguments to counter the lies coming out of Trump's mouth. Often times he allowed Trump to lie, walk all over him, and not respond with an easy rebuttal.

You can tell his age is a factor, though these two men only share mere years between each other, it was quite apparent Biden was the much older man figuratively speaking.

He needs to go back to the drawing board the next two debates, his strategy IMHO was flawed coming in. The truth is, you can't debate Trump. He's a boldfaced liar, a narcissistic sociopath. He can lie to your face boldly, smile, and not feel any shame or remorse.

That type of person is difficult to debate when you can't fact check on the fly. If you notice, when Trump is interviewed one-on-one, where the interviewer can directly challenge and fact check his answers, he falls apart. On the debate stage however, he's able to bypass that process, which works in his favor.

I'd much rather see them do away with the debates entirely, and simply conduct long form interviews in which pointed questions are asked, and their platform and agenda is fully scrutinized.
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Here's a fairly thorough little compilation.
Pretty sure there's a few buildings in there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._Punjab,_India
Did you actually read any of those?

On your list
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaswant_Singh_Khalra

watch the video.

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It's amazing how we can get pulled into these semantic arguments, in my many years of following politics, I've never seen a politician like Trump awarded these obtuse excuses and esoteric counter arguments by his supporters.
I have, but never one that was elected. That's why it's so mindblowing to me
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Did you actually read any of those?

On your list
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaswant_Singh_Khalra
Riiight Manic. And I'm sure the half dozen or so Sikh separatist groups that have been deemed terrorist organizations internationally got that designation for their peace keeping ability.
Honestly, it's my fault really. For thinking that you had an ounce of reason buried somewhere in there.
We're done here now.
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It's truly sad that so many people lack the education and understanding of the history of white supremacy in the United States.

Dog-whistling is nothing new here, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a bloody duck. Let's not pretend Trump does not have a long documented history of racism, going back to before the 80's and the litany of lawsuits against him in regards to him not renting units to black families. We have innumerable firsthand accounts from his very friends and colleagues of his spoken racism. We've heard it countless times from the man himself, black people come from "shithole countries".

But here we are on this forum, debating and arguing whether the very white supremacist groups that support Trump, the groups that he dog-whistles and panders to, are even racist in the first place.

Have any of you educated yourselves on the history of David Duke, and the "new-KKK". It isn't new to see white supremacist groups evolve their public stance to be deemed more "acceptable" in a current political climate. Back in the 70's, the Klan did just that, reform their public image to appear more "clean" more acceptable as a hate group:

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...-of-Racism.pdf

Nowadays, and even back then, Klan members would claim they are not
white supremacists":
Why yes, let's look at the history of the kkk in politics.
Wow. Almost entirely democrats on that list. Crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_K...tates_politics
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lol @ thinking the Democrats in the 1800's and early 1900's were left wing
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They also filibustered the civil rights act.
So when did they become the "party of virtue", rather than the party who created the ku klux klan?
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Donald Trump awaiting test results after close aide Hope Hicks catches COVID-19


Hicks travelled with Trump on Air Force One to Tuesday's debate in Cleveland


Hope Hicks, who has been working so hard without even taking a small break, has just tested positive for Covid 19. Terrible! The First Lady and I are waiting for our test results. In the meantime, we will begin our quarantine process!

I wonder if he will make the next debate.
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They also filibustered the civil rights act.
So when did they become the "party of virtue", rather than the party who created the ku klux klan?
You'll find no love for the Democrats here. I don't know if you're unsuccessfully trying to troll, or are just extremely confused.
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You'll find no love for the Democrats here. I don't know if you're unsuccessfully trying to troll, or are just extremely confused.
Seems like everyone's exhausted and has run out of things to 'debate' about. Truly beating a dead horse.
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Seems like everyone's exhausted and has run out of things to 'debate' about. Truly beating a dead horse.
Something MUST be said, to stick it to the libs
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Haha nice way to keep Trump from continuing to fuck up the remaining debates, being a martyr and then claiming he was right all along as an asymptomatic person that the virus is nothing and he’s as strong as Putin riding a bear topless... reality tv star is coming full circle
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Haha nice way to keep Trump from continuing to fuck up the remaining debates, being a martyr and then claiming he was right all along as an asymptomatic person that the virus is nothing and he’s as strong as Putin riding a bear topless... reality tv star is coming full circle
That is absolutely a possibility. There's more than a 0% chance that he doesn't' even have it.
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trump saw the mike pence on tuesday and he saw amy coney barrett after. They will probably have to quarantine slowing down her process to get on the supreme court.
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Deserves it. Doesnt wear mask holding massive rallies. Calls it a hoax that will poof disappear by easter.

Hope he takes his own advice and inject disinfectant into himself.
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If trump gets really sick or dies I could see some asians being killed by trump supporters.
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Some comments here are really low even by lefties standard. .

I mean... not even lefties... by human standard. If I hear anyone I know of got CoVid, I'd at least wish them to recover, no matter how badly I dislike him.

It's pathetic that with all the speech about how Trump and Reps are spreading hate... it's you who hate the most.
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Some comments here are really low even by lefties standard. .

I mean... not even lefties... by human standard. If I hear anyone I know of got CoVid, I'd at least wish them to recover, no matter how badly I dislike him.

It's pathetic that with all the speech about how Trump and Reps are spreading hate... it's you who hate the most.
Looking for the people who are wishing death upon Trump or anyone else

I'll cut you off in case you bring up the people saying he deserves coronavirus based on his response to it. I'll just post the definition of deserves

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ALSO the ability to HATE someone isn't exclusive to being a fucking "leftie". It's part of being HUMAN. We're allowed to hate people who are actively detrimental to the things we care about or need. In Trump's case that is probably all of western society itself. I don't think anyone automatically deserves hate, but certain people earn it from normal humans.
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So, lefties hating is being human. Righties hating is racism, privileged, inequality... etc

Can you guys be any more double standard? Can’t you see the irony and pathetic in that?
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So, lefties hating is being human. Righties hating is racism, privileged, inequality... etc

Can you guys be any more double standard? Can’t you see the irony and pathetic in that?
I hate people for their actions. I hate Trump, I hate Hitler.

I don't hate someone for their race, gender, religion, etc.

I am no longer going to respond since you can only possibly be trolling.
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So, you just proved my point. You do believe anyone who shares a different opinion on the social issue to be racists, sexist... etc.

I don’t hate people for their race, gender, religion or anything. I just “disagree” with them.

Bravo.
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