PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Twi7ch

Anyone notice Derek Cains photography site is down. The timing sure is odd with the recent CTV article. I wonder if he was getting harassed on there.

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Damn I hope not. Everyone has a job to do and this stuff shouldn’t mess up his person life

[nexusxv]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Damn I hope not. Everyone has a job to do and this stuff shouldn’t mess up his person life

There is no highlight in article, that it comes from tiny minority anyway. He and his buds behaved as an outrage mob. Basically, I see it as outrage mob fights with outrage mob, and we are dragged in it without any reason... Can't find any simpathy for any of the sides... Not anymore

[Carguru]

Less than 5 yr old vehicles getting VI is silly. While the LEO are doing a poor job informing the public with non-court disputable tickets (VI's). Their term "Only OEM Parts" isn't 100% accurate. The exterior should have "DOT" approve parts, which include: eg. lenses, bulbs, LEDs, body kits, wings, tow hook attachments, wheel rims (most aftermarket name brands are DOT approved, keeping stock wheel diameter for accurate speed - eg. 16" 205-65-16=18" 215-45-18).

initial legal consul advice is under $200

[bcedhk]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Damn I hope not. Everyone has a job to do and this stuff shouldn’t mess up his person life

probably not, his IG is back to public view after making it private for the longest time.

[Klobbersaurus]

I believe there was a member on here that managed to get his VI thrown out a few years ago

[Carguru]

Mufflers - From the tip to the canister has to be the same diameter. Under 3" and not widen at the tips. Aftermarket mufflers with some baffles are always louder than stock, but they can be under 83 decibels 1000,2000,3000 rpms. Any sound meters set "SLOW" on weighing "A" human ears vs "C" setting will be a lot higher.

The "A" weighted sound level discriminates against low frequencies, in a manner similar to the response of the ear. In this setting, the meter primarily measures in the 500 to 10,000 Hz range.

C Weighting is usually used for Peak measurements and also in some entertainment noise measurement, where the transmission of bass noise can be a problem

[trollface]

99% of cars on the road have a tip larger than the actual exhaust tubing size.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Carguru

Mufflers - From the tip to the canister has to be the same diameter. Under 3" and not widen at the tips. Aftermarket mufflers with some baffles are always louder than stock, but they can be under 83 decibels 1000,2000,3000 rpms. Any sound meters set "SLOW" on weighing "A" human ears vs "C" setting will be a lot higher.

I haven't looked too carefully into the muffler- / exhaust-related sections of the MVA yet, but here is what a short section of it says:

Section 7.03(4) -- Muffler - Alteration prohibited
No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler the exhaust outlet of which has been opened or widened.

Section 7.03(5) -- Noise increase or flames prohibited
No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler or exhaust system to which is attached any device which increases the noise of the expulsion of the gases from the engine or allows a flame to be emitted from the exhaust system.

I find the wording of these two sections to be rather vague and open to "interpretations" -- perhaps this is done intentionally so to allow some "flexibility" when the MVA is enforced.

If Carguru can point me to the sections where there is supporting evidence of "From the tip to the canister has to be the same diameter. Under 3"", I would greatly appreicate it.

[Berzerker]

I take this as the ACTUAL muffler itself. Not the pipe after the muffler. Basically the way I read that is you can't cut the end off the muffler and put a larger pipe on it but if you had a 3" exit and made it grow to a 4" tailpipe, via pipe size increase that would be legal?

Muffler and Exhaust system are completely different.

Berz out.

[Carguru]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

I take this as the ACTUAL muffler itself. Not the pipe after the muffler. Basically the way I read that is you can't cut the end off the muffler and put a larger pipe on it but if you had a 3" exit and made it grow to a 4" tailpipe, via pipe size increase that would be legal?

Muffler and Exhaust system are completely different.

Berz out.

If the LEO can put his foot into it... 4" is way too large, but the pipe exiting the muffler & tip should be the same size. Closest to the OEM size pipe. The larger openings of some vehicles is just a cosmetic piece, which covers the pipe inside it. 3" is already pushing it. The key word is widened Also a larger opening compared to stock would draw attention

[Carguru]

There is specific laws and guidelines regarding the use of after market exhaust systems. The laws are as follows.
Mufflers
The following are the laws for exhaust systems for B.C.:
Section 7.03 (1) of the B.C. Motor Vehicle Act Regulations indicates that a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler consisting of a series of pipes or chambers which ensures that the exhaust gases from the engine are cooled and expelled without excessive noise.
Cut-outs prohibited
(2) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine when the muffler with which the vehicle is equipped is cut out or disconnected from the engine.
Part removal prohibited
(3) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler from which has been removed any baffle plate or other part.
Alteration prohibited
(4) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler the exhaust outlet of which has been opened or widened.
Noise increase or flames prohibited
(5) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler or exhaust system to which is attached any device which increases the noise of the expulsion of the gases from the engine or allows a flame to be emitted from the exhaust system.
Failure to comply with Unnecessary Noise, the excessive noise from exhausts systems, contrary to Section 7A.01 of the Motor Vehicle Act Regulations will result in a fine of $109.

Standards for the Approval of a Motor Vehicle
Vehicle noise
Section 27 of Standards for the Approval of a Motor Vehicle indicates that a motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler which complies with section 7.03 of the regulations.
The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.
When tested in an inspection station, the vehicle engine, any auxiliary engine and exhaust level shall not exceed Table 3 standards.

Table 3

Class of Vehicle Maximum Allowable Sound Pressure Level DBA

Light duty 83

Gasoline-driven heavy duty 88

Motorcycles 91

Diesel-driven heavy duty 93

[smoothie.]

Originally Posted by Carguru

There is specific laws and guidelines regarding the use of after market exhaust systems. The laws are as follows.
Mufflers
The following are the laws for exhaust systems for B.C.:
Section 7.03 (1) of the B.C. Motor Vehicle Act Regulations indicates that a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler consisting of a series of pipes or chambers which ensures that the exhaust gases from the engine are cooled and expelled without excessive noise.
Cut-outs prohibited
(2) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine when the muffler with which the vehicle is equipped is cut out or disconnected from the engine.
Part removal prohibited
(3) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler from which has been removed any baffle plate or other part.
Alteration prohibited
(4) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler the exhaust outlet of which has been opened or widened.
Noise increase or flames prohibited
(5) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler or exhaust system to which is attached any device which increases the noise of the expulsion of the gases from the engine or allows a flame to be emitted from the exhaust system.
Failure to comply with Unnecessary Noise, the excessive noise from exhausts systems, contrary to Section 7A.01 of the Motor Vehicle Act Regulations will result in a fine of $109.

Standards for the Approval of a Motor Vehicle
Vehicle noise
Section 27 of Standards for the Approval of a Motor Vehicle indicates that a motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler which complies with section 7.03 of the regulations.
The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.
When tested in an inspection station, the vehicle engine, any auxiliary engine and exhaust level shall not exceed Table 3 standards.

Table 3

Class of Vehicle Maximum Allowable Sound Pressure Level DBA

Light duty 83

Gasoline-driven heavy duty 88

Motorcycles 91

Diesel-driven heavy duty 93

Right but when you buy an aftermarket exhaust, and install it, you aren't widening anything. It's installed as it was made.

The wording needs to be more specific.

Also, #5 would ban a lot of the newer exotics, as they all shoot visible blue flame.

[Whatheshrek]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/driv...icketed-police

An article or news about this whole vi situation

[Carguru]

Originally Posted by smoothie.

Right but when you buy an aftermarket exhaust, and install it, you aren't widening anything. It's installed as it was made.

The wording needs to be more specific.

Also, #5 would ban a lot of the newer exotics, as they all shoot visible blue flame.

oversized muffler = "widened muffler"
It would be pretty hard to argue and claim you didn't know better.
buyer beware

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by Whatheshrek

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/driv...icketed-police

An article or news about this whole vi situation

Damn... Just too bad this article is poorly written... "Drivers of modified cars..."

[Matsuda]

"** • an hour ago
I am totally in favour of these idiots being targeted! 100%
"minding my own business"... no, your ridiculous and dangerous driving habits, including that hyper loud exhaust system, is very much my business, prick. If i was in charge, you'd be locked up."

Daily hive commenters...

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by DaJo

Damn... Just too bad this article is poorly written... "Drivers of modified cars..."

Even though I do know some good DailyHive journalists, it's hard to trust DailyHive to write a moderately competent article, especially when you reach out to them on Facebook. They probably put the newest guy on managing social media.

Also it doesn't help that it was people of VCC who reached out to them and I am very doubtful of that group's ability to give factual, objective information of the current situation. I'm biased, but I think the members on Revscene are much more capable of organizing an effective effort to make a change, while being considerate of various non-enthusiast stakeholder perspectives.

That DailyHive article took less than a week to produce. The CTV article has been a work in progress since October.

[trollface]

Why is anyone surprised @ the comments. I literally said this would happen 100 pages ago. You won't find sympathy.

[smoothie.]

Originally Posted by Carguru

oversized muffler = "widened muffler"
It would be pretty hard to argue and claim you didn't know better.
buyer beware

looks like someone needs to take english class again.

[Carguru]

Originally Posted by smoothie.

looks like someone needs to take english class again.

"It looks like someone needs to retake English class, once again"

[smoothie.]

Originally Posted by smoothie.

looks like someone needs to take english class again.

=

Originally Posted by Carguru

"It looks like someone needs to retake English class, once again"

It would be pretty hard to argue and claim you didn't know better.

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by Carguru

"It looks like someone needs to retake English class, once again"

Who are you?

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by Whatheshrek

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/driv...icketed-police

An article or news about this whole vi situation

I'm more concerned about it leaving out a lot of the finer points.

All this article really sounds like is it a bunch of street racers whining that police is targeting their loud exhausts. No shit no one's going to give their sympathies.

Logan Cote, who I assume is dukake, is a pretty poor representative for this case. One look at his car, and no one's going to give him sympathy. And most likely, his car did deserve a VI. His mods were more on the extreme side.

There was no mention about unmodified cars being VI'ed or cars with light modifications that complied with the MVA and/or CVSE ended up passing the VI.

[trollface]

Told you guys this would happen.

No one got their facts straight, their story straight, got organized, and found a good representative to tell the story correctly. Now you have a bunch of of people getting reminded of the time a rice rocket waking them up at 2am. Just look at the comments.

"wish more police departments would enforce the loud aftermarket exhaust. Those drivers deserve tickets and the cars shouldn't be on the road."

Hate to say it, but I called this shit from 1000 miles away. Page 63, post : #1552

I fucking told ya.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by trollface

Told you guys this would happen.

No one got their facts straight, their story straight, got organized, and found a good representative to tell the story correctly. Now you have a bunch of of people getting reminded of the time a rice rocket waking them up at 2am. Just look at the comments.

Read my fucking post. Those who reached out to DailyHive are not members of RS nor on my team that has been organizing this as of October. We've been developing a story with CTV since October, these guys at DailyHive created an article in the span of less than a week.

Did we get the facts straight, got organized, and found a good representative? Yes. Remember, DailyHive "journalists" aren't real journalists. Just look at the quality of work between the two.



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