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Carguru 03-19-2019 06:48 AM

Results of court cases. Interesting read.
https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/category...ase-law?page=1

classic example of a VI ticket:
https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/enforcem...rder-questions

Legal loops without a Lawyer.

mb_ 03-19-2019 07:49 AM

While you cannot technically dispute a VI like you could with a violation ticket, you can try to contact the issuing police force and try to have it cancelled. I got a VI on my old MR2 some years ago and I was successfully able to have it cancelled by CVSE on behalf of VPD. Your mileage may vary as this is totally up to their discretion.

Carguru 03-19-2019 08:31 AM

This is more a typical scenario. A vehicle is lowered 1", non-oem wheels, gets a VI ticket for a being modified. The driver has been caught(ticketed) for not having a VI-decal, after the mods. So, even after a inspection has been performed and passed. The car is Legal on the streets, but the LEO accuses the owner/VI centre - parts were switched and incompetent inspector/shop.

JDMDreams 03-19-2019 08:33 AM

Can ctv reporters be put in contact with the dealerships? If they are harassing them. Ie vpd at metrotown mitsubishi which clearly crossed departments/city limits or few weeks back they were at lotus? I'm sure people more in the loop with the car industry will hear what other businesses they've stopped at. Maybe with businesses weighing in and complaining this will have more weight

Lancouver 03-19-2019 09:28 AM

Cain: This vehicle is out of code and needs to be inspected before being allowed back on the road. You must also go to the dealership as they know your car the best. I know they are not going to pass you with any mods.

Also Cain: Are these dealerships stupid? Why are you numb nuts passing so many cars? You guys are incompetent and not doing things correctly. This is a warning to you all as if you do not obey me I will revoke your license!


https://i.imgur.com/DLknr4h.png

Carguru 03-19-2019 09:37 AM

This should an interesting topic in court. Fair Justice doesn't need threats and save it for the real criminals

bcedhk 03-19-2019 09:40 AM

Cain should stick to his photography job cause clearly he is not competent to be a cop, a traffic cop at that.

dtaygolf 03-19-2019 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedStars (Post 8942373)
My theory would be that the traffic enforcement would be the task force handling all the noisy vehicles since it would perfectly fit under their duties to enforce the VI rules in ensuring that vehicles on the road are safe and MVA compliant as opposed to your everyday officer who would be handling other more important calls.

I wish they would've tasked the CVSE instead as they have the proper equipment and are properly trained to determine what vehicles are compliant

According to my mechanic, back in the late 90's & early 00's, that's exactly what happened in Richmond. To help combat and reduce the amount of street racing that was going on. Apparently the police in conjunction with the CVSE would set up a check point, often around the Garden City entrance to the Oak Street bridge, and pull in suspicious cars for inspection by CVSE inspectors, complete with their truck and equipment. At least in that instance it's fair, and not subjective, not to mention financially punitive, as it stands now.

Energy 03-19-2019 09:49 AM

What if someone did a bait car for Cain and the rest of them. Have a car that is clearly modified (lowered within MVA spec, exhaust within MVA spec, flashy wheels, stickers, spoiler, different coloured seatbelts, front plate not center mounted, etc etc) but the driver should be absolutely sure all mods are legal. Go cruise around on a nice day and hope they stop you and issue a VI. Then make sure to record everything on video.

dtaygolf 03-19-2019 10:00 AM

Hi, that's kind of my plan. I've already talked to my mechanic and scheduled a review of the car, following CSVE guidelines, BEFORE inspection by Subaru, (Richmond). He's been through this scenario on many of his personal cars, as well as customers. He stated, that lots of somewhat minor issues can be brought forward, ie. scored rotors, and obvious oil leaks...my car is in pretty good shape, but makes sense to make sure the dealer isn't going to be dickish. From what I surmise Subaru dealers see lots of VIs these days, and might be pretty picky to avoid being branded complicit.

dtaygolf 03-19-2019 10:05 AM

This is the front page, think you can obtain this online?

xXSupa 03-19-2019 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Energy (Post 8943263)
What if someone did a bait car for Cain and the rest of them. Have a car that is clearly modified (lowered within MVA spec, exhaust within MVA spec, flashy wheels, stickers, spoiler, different coloured seatbelts, front plate not center mounted, etc etc) but the driver should be absolutely sure all mods are legal. Go cruise around on a nice day and hope they stop you and issue a VI. Then make sure to record everything on video.

The kicker would be if we had a licensed CVSE inspector driving the vehicle, with his handbook on hand.

xXSupa 03-19-2019 10:08 AM

A couple of pictures that's been passed around social media groups. Appears to be Cain in a Mazda lot. Probably Metrotown?

https://i257.photobucket.com/albums/...7937284D2.jpeg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...8EC46A400.jpeg

bcedhk 03-19-2019 10:20 AM

I wish the advisors could just laugh at them and tell them to fuck off. that would have been Goooooold

I've contacted some friends who are close with CVSE inspectors. CVSE senior inspectors do not like it when cops get in the way of their job.

dtaygolf 03-19-2019 10:46 AM

If it's ok, ur email? I'll send pics

Carguru 03-19-2019 10:49 AM

A Peace Officer (CVSE) is a person who works to uphold and enforce certain laws and regulations. They are not to be confused with Police Officers, who have a much wider range of authority.

Oeks1 03-19-2019 10:52 AM

Is there any info in the cvse manual regarding coilovers?

AzNightmare 03-19-2019 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSupa (Post 8943270)
A couple of pictures that's been passed around social media groups. Appears to be Cain in a Mazda lot. Probably Metrotown?

The backdrop in the 2nd pic looks like it could be Metrotown Mazda.
Google map images aren't up to date so it shows a different signage.
Maybe if someone can make out what those blurry Chinese characters says, they can figure it out.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.22274...7i13312!8i6656

bcedhk 03-19-2019 11:30 AM

it is. the dealership lot is next to this building (same brick and roof)

https://goo.gl/maps/f1vFeGRAFhw

Traum 03-19-2019 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oeks1 (Post 8943279)
Is there any info in the cvse manual regarding coilovers?

I have access to the onine CVSE manual. What exactly are you looking for?

Generally speaking, the suspension section of the CVSE manual doesn't say anything that is specific to coilovers. Off the top of my hat, it focuses more along the lines of struts / shocks / springs etc., and merely indicates that they need to be in a good, functional state. The springs, in particular, cannot allow sagging of more than 38mm / 1.5" from the manufacturer's specified height.

If you can be more specific, I can look it up tonight after all the house chores are done -- but that probably means it'll be on the late side.

dtaygolf 03-19-2019 12:30 PM

You are correct about the flashing fourth brake light, pay too play, fair enough. There is an escalating dispute process, through VPD, to question the officers reason, and validity of his "testing" and assumptions of legality. Problem is, it's this particular officers Hobby horse, and I HIGHLY doubt he'd reconsider. Most likely this will require someone challenging a dubious VI in Supreme court, as mentioned prior. Also, what about a Charter challenge? Isn't this discrimination and profiling? Maybe there's grounds to offer up a challenge based on discrimination based on vehicle of choice? Cause safety sure isn't the real issue...

Carguru 03-19-2019 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtaygolf (Post 8943297)
You are correct about the flashing fourth brake light, pay too play, fair enough. There is an escalating dispute process, through VPD, to question the officers reason, and validity of his "testing" and assumptions of legality. Problem is, it's this particular officers Hobby horse, and I HIGHLY doubt he'd reconsider. Most likely this will require someone challenging a dubious VI in Supreme court, as mentioned prior. Also, what about a Charter challenge? Isn't this discrimination and profiling? Maybe there's grounds to offer up a challenge based on discrimination based on vehicle of choice? Cause safety sure isn't the real issue...

"Pay to play" is assuming the person knew about the illegal add-on/mod. The fact it's "ANY" mods. I'm sure all their VI tickets are sporty cars/trucks.

Oeks1 03-19-2019 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8943286)
I have access to the onine CVSE manual. What exactly are you looking for?

Generally speaking, the suspension section of the CVSE manual doesn't say anything that is specific to coilovers. Off the top of my hat, it focuses more along the lines of struts / shocks / springs etc., and merely indicates that they need to be in a good, functional state. The springs, in particular, cannot allow sagging of more than 38mm / 1.5" from the manufacturer's specified height.

If you can be more specific, I can look it up tonight after all the house chores are done -- but that probably means it'll be on the late side.


Just interested if there is any information about them thats Bout it

Derpdidoo 03-19-2019 02:04 PM

i spy with my lil eye a black mazdaspeed on their lot, maybe Cain and gang are now prowling dealerships and coming down on modded cars in their lots

Carguru 03-19-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpine (Post 8943235)
Just brainstorming.. say you have a perfectly stock vehicle and u receive a vi. Can u drive down to the vpd office and file a complaint in person questioning the fitness of the officer in his or her ability to interpret and enforce the law correctly?

You'll need be in a professional field, but you can safely say "narcissist lamplighter". Anyone giving out unpopular tickets, checking the online forums and getting some gratitude from the reviews.:chairdance:


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