PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[westopher]

Yes. If someone doesn’t come on to RS and personally confirm VI with picture of violation notice to jk6221 it didn’t happen.
Those are new thread rules. Please update original post Bic Baws.

[jk6221]

Jesus...people just need to calm down. Sorry for being a devil's advocate by trying to approach this rationally.

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by jk6221

Jesus...people just need to calm down. Sorry for being a devil's advocate by trying to approach this rationally.

This is RS there is no rationale.

If BIC says it happened, it happened.

[JLC]

Originally Posted by Expresso

This is RS there is no rationale.



If BIC says it happened, it happened.

LMAO!

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[E90M3]

He posted on his Instagram that he got a VI (state ref).


Exact caption; "When VPD decides to come up with their own laws and your stock M4 GTS gets VI (state ref) for being stock..."

[JSALES]

Originally Posted by E90M3

He posted on his Instagram that he got a VI (state ref).


Exact caption; "When VPD decides to come up with their own laws and your stock M4 GTS gets VI (state ref) for being stock..."

That’s from Reggie and he isn’t the owner of that vehicle.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by jk6221

Jesus...people just need to calm down. Sorry for being a devil's advocate by trying to approach this rationally.

You aren’t approaching it rationally. You are trying to be devils advocate. It’s not the same thing.
Devils advocate is to take a position that is not the common one for the sake of debate. I get it’s RS, discussion is welcomed, but Bic isn’t exactly an unreliable source in this thread.

[wing_woo]

So, I warned my coworker a while back about the VPD VI blitz and it finally caught up to him.

He got VI'ed for loud exhaust and ride height near Main and Terminal. He said they got a lot of cars and motorcycles during that blitz while he was being written up.

Funny thing is that it's a Honda Civic HFP and that's the exhaust that came with it. He took it to Honda for a preliminary gauge on what he'd need to do and they said his muffler should pass.

However, I wonder if that Honda dealer was threatened by Cain or is part of an autogroup that had some dealers visited by Cain, as they told my coworker that they will not pass his vehicle if it has any aftermarket parts and then they pointed out his wheels.

I know his vehicle wouldn't pass VI as is due to ride height but it's stupid that the officer cited him for exhaust when it's a factory Honda performance one and that he has aftermarket wheels.

He actually went to the junk yard to find a stock muffler just in case and he's gonna slap is stock wheels and springs back on.

[Niyeaux]

So uh...other than commiserating in a forum thread, is anyone doing any actual organizing around putting a campaign together to make this bullshit stop happening?

I've been a labour and political organizer for a awhile now and would be happy to help out with this if there was an appetite for that sort of thing. At the very least, we should be documenting (with proof!) all of the VIs that are getting handed out, particularly VIs given to cars that are completely stock or modified in a completely legal way.

It's clearly a massive injustice that any asshole cop can compel you to spend hundreds of dollars on getting your car inspected, based on absolutely nothing other than them not liking how your car looks or sounds. There's no probable cause requirement, no dispute process, and no consequences for cops who give out VIs to cars that are very obviously completely street legal. It's essentially a system whereby the cops can give you a $100+ fine even if you haven't done anything remotely illegal. How is that a just system?

At an absolute minimum, we should be demanding:

1. A dispute process whereby you can get the VI cleared by ICBC if there's really nothing illegal about your vehicle, AT NO COST to the driver. ICBC already employs an army of vehicle inspectors for insurance claims, it's not at all unreasonable to demand that those inspectors be made available to inspect cars that have received VIs. If the ICBC inspector discovers defects, then sure, charge the driver for the inspection, but you shouldn't have to pay to prove your street legal car is actually street legal.

2. A requirement that the cop who issues the VI states SPECIFICALLY what about the car he/she believes to be an illegal modification. This makes it easier for drivers with actual defects to address the issue, makes it quicker (and cheaper!) for shops to do the inspection because they know what they're looking for, and makes the officer at least somewhat accountable for having something resembling a legitimate reason for issuing the VI.

3. Some form of tracking and oversight, by ICBC or another provincial agency, so that if there's a pattern of particular officers issuing VIs to drivers who end up being able to prove their vehicles were completely street legal at the time the VI was issued, there can be some form of accountability in place to prevent that behaviour.

That's just like a bare minimum of what begins to resemble a system that isn't patently unjust - I'm sure people here could come up with further demands that would be entirely reasonable. It seems absurd to me that everyone's just been taking this lying down for almost a year now.

[bcedhk]

anyone follow or part of this "driven project" on IG / VIA? They tagged Cain in one of their recent IG videos and he looks pretty happy next to a bunch of lambos with mods (aftermarket exhaust)... Wonder if they got VI'd

Maybe next time you get pulled over, you can say your car is part of the charity drive to avoid a VI.

P.S. Not shitting on driven project, what they are doing is good, but just pointing out Cain's inherent bias on the vehicle he is picking for VI's

[BIC_BAWS]

I have it on good word, I won't reveal source, that the owner confirmed that he got a box 2 VI.

Direct quote from owner is what I posted about the roll bars

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[Twi7ch]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

I have it on good word, I won't reveal source, that the owner confirmed that he got a box 2 VI.

Direct quote from owner is what I posted about the roll bars

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His actual IG story states otherwise: https://www.instagram.com/___pangding

I don't know what to believe any more.

[jk6221]

Originally Posted by Twi7ch

His actual IG story states otherwise: https://www.instagram.com/___pangding

I don't what to believe any more.

A simple ticket (or warning) for no front plate eh?

I hate the whole VI situation as much as the next guy but some people need to stop overreacting and spreading misinformation when someone gets pulled over.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by wing_woo

However, I wonder if that Honda dealer was threatened by Cain or is part of an autogroup that had some dealers visited by Cain, as they told my coworker that they will not pass his vehicle if it has any aftermarket parts and then they pointed out his wheels.

Wheels are not a justification to not pass. Legally speaking, according to the CVSE Inspector book (iirc), wheels just have to be DOT/JWL approved.

According to the MVAR, Division 7 - Other Equipment, Section 20 - Tire, Wheels:

• The wheels and tires with which a vehicle is equipped shall be of the same size on one axle.
• No wheel shall have loose, missing or defective bolts, nuts or lugs, or bent, loose, cracked or defective rim or wheel flanges.
• A wheel shall not have any missing, loose or broken spokes.
• A disk wheel shall not have elongated bolt holes or cracks between handholds or stud holes.
• A cast wheel of spoke type shall not be cracked.
• Each rim and ring shall be matched and no rim or ring shall be bent, sprung or cracked.
• A wheel or rim shall not be repaired by welding unless the weld repair is to an aluminum wheel or rim and is made in accordance with the Weld Repair of Aluminum Alloy Wheels Regulation.

That's all that it says

Originally Posted by Niyeaux

So uh...other than commiserating in a forum thread, is anyone doing any actual organizing around putting a campaign together to make this bullshit stop happening?

Yeah there's some of us who worked on the CTV story with Angela Jang. Other people like Traum, have filled complaints with MLAs, VPD, and the board.

Ultimately, we've come to a standstill. We have people over here arguing about whether or not gov workers are slow and efficient. While, we have other people completely trolling the thread. So forgive us if it doesn't look like we've done anything - it's just exhausting. On that note, I'm open to hearing any plans.

Attached is a FAQ that some of us have been working on so that we don't lose any valuable information.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Originally Posted by Twi7ch

His actual IG story states otherwise: https://www.instagram.com/___pangding

I don't what to believe any more.

Interesting. Are there two M4 GTS that have gotten pulled over recently? One got a VI for sure because one of the owners said the VPD said: "Please don't lie. BMW doesn't produce cars with roll cages."

[punkwax]

Originally Posted by jk6221

I love how people are jumping to the conclusion that he's getting a VI even though there's no solid evidence of the case.

Could be pulled over for a traffic violation for all we know. Even that OP was vague on the details.

Originally Posted by westopher

It’s already been confirmed by someone who knows the driver he got a box 2, so there’s actually no conclusion jumping involved.

Originally Posted by - kT

I love how you jumped to the conclusion that people were jumping to conclusions even though you had no real insight into anything beyond that photo and the FB link.

[jing]

Originally Posted by Twi7ch

His actual IG story states otherwise: https://www.instagram.com/___pangding

I don't know what to believe any more.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...iron-vancouver

[Niyeaux]

Originally Posted by jing

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...iron-vancouver

I was wondering why dude's instagram had such strong trust fund douche vibes. Mystery solved.

[DGN23]

I was planning on going to the Weissach Spanish Banks meet tomorrow but I've heard that police will regularly be in attendance this year. Having second thoughts now out of fear of being unnecessarily harassed by police; which is a sad thing to say.

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by DGN23

I was planning on going to the Weissach Spanish Banks meet tomorrow but I've heard that police will regularly be in attendance this year. Having second thoughts now out of fear of being unnecessarily harassed by police; which is a sad thing to say.

Just show up early. And then tow your car home, problem solved haha.

[Energy]

Going to be raining so the turnout might not be great anyway.

[Digitalis]

Next time officer Cain screws up and sends a stock car in for a VI they should transfer him to the downtown east side and hire an automechanic in his place who actually knows something about cars.

[wing_woo]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

Wheels are not a justification to not pass. Legally speaking, according to the CVSE Inspector book (iirc), wheels just have to be DOT/JWL approved.

According to the MVAR, Division 7 - Other Equipment, Section 20 - Tire, Wheels:

Yes, I know wheels is not a justification. That's why I'm just wondering if Cain threatened Honda so they just decided they'll only pass bone stock cars.

The wheel thing is stupid too cause if that's the case, all those cars with snow tires on steelies would be illegal too.

My friend said he's going to bring his car with the aftermarket wheels to Honda and basically dare them to fail his VI for having aftermarket wheels.

[nexusxv]

Originally Posted by wing_woo

My friend said he's going to bring his car with the aftermarket wheels to Honda and basically dare them to fail his VI for having aftermarket wheels.

The problem here, they have a legal right just not service him...

[wing_woo]

Well, the way I said it might be harsh, but he's gonna ask them why they are selling aftermarket wheels but at the same time saying they'll fail his car if it has aftermarket wheels.

[Oeks1]

My car passed at Honda with dual magnaflow and coilovers. They said the car is in excellent condition.
They also said it's not up to the cops to decide weather exhaust is loud but the inspection facility