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Many of the same cars drove for years without getting a VI.
1) My god some people here think their car is getting VIed for being too sexy?! Do people think when people look at their rusted straight piped civic with a giant wing and plastidipped wheels that its too sexy?! I'm so glad I found this forum.
2) "you mean they some" - engrish?
3) Judging by your last post about "asking for it" and "women dressing too sexy" - you are somehow equating women to being harassed or assaulted to be similar to illegally (some illegal, some stock, some inbetween) modified cars getting told it is unsafe or way too loud? So first we got a guy comparing VIs to hitler and the holocaust, now to women asking for it? Impressive.
4) Apparently some people need to be taught this. Yes revving it past a cop with rattle can, no cats, yellow headlights/fogs, and 45 degree stance wheels is asking for for a ticket or VI. NO it is NOT the same as women dressing too sexy?!?!?!?! WTF????????
5) Unbelievable.
6) No I don't support VIs on minor mods or mods that are clearly safe/fine.
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For the record, most of the cars that got VI’s in this thread were minding their own business at the time and not revving or driving like ass clowns.
Can't find the article right now, but I believe the specific accident they're referring to was when this girl rear ended a lifted Ram brotruck and her head was essentially at the height of the rear bumper.
However, I don't believe adding engine mods, beefing up the brakes, or going e85 can cause fatal accidents on it's own and the government shouldn't use the accident as an excuse to outlaw them.
Honestly, I think if this is the narrative they want to take, I like it a lot better than this VPD bullshit. That being said, I have Hawk HP+ pads paired with good summer tires. I'll bet that I can stop a lot quicker on a single axle than a entire mid-sized SUV can. I can guarantee that it has saved me from tboning some dumbass Richmond drivers (
I'd love for the government to re-evaluate modifications that provide a greater benefit, such modifications would be brakes, suspension tuning, and lights. All of which can provide a greater benefit than OEM. There's the argument that can be made that a properly modified vehicle can get out of dangerous situations better than a stock car - simply because it is more capable. Like Speedstar, I think it's absolutely ridiculous the things they are saying contribute to fatal deaths.
Without the top and bottom of the image, you lose some of the context. Seems like it was mainly sent to vehicle dealerships. But still, some of it is vague/grey. https://mvsabc.com/
rnment to re-evaluate modifications that provide a greater benefit, such modifications would be brakes, suspension tuning, and lights. All of which can provide a greater benefit than OEM.
By the way, about the lights. As is i am from another part of the globe, i would like to note, that almost all North American headlights are garbage. They are mostly blind and somehow blinding the incoming traffic. European light is waaay better.
Another thing, is side mirrors are mostly flat(May be i am wrong here), while in Europe (and often japan) they have curves and edges, that drastically decreases blind zones, so you can drive without shoulder checks.
By the way, about the lights. As is i am from another part of the globe, i would like to note, that almost all North American headlights are garbage. They are mostly blind and somehow blinding the incoming traffic. European light is waaay better.
Another thing, is side mirrors are mostly flat(May be i am wrong here), while in Europe (and often japan) they have curves and edges, that drastically decreases blind zones, so you can drive without shoulder checks.
So tell me a crap regarding safe NA standards.
Not sure if im interpreting this wrong, but I actually agree that NA safety standards are crap LOL.
By the lights, I mean older vehicles that only had crappy halogen lights. I would think the best method to increase light out put would be to use new headlight lens (might not always be DOT stamped but honestly what difference does it make), use a higher output lumens halogen bulb, install projectors and AIM IT PROPERLY.
As for mirrors, on my 2015 Honda Civic, the left mirror's far left edge is actually a convex mirror, decreasing blind spots. Issue is that people in NA are mostly uneducated about how to properly set up their mirrors. Mirrors on my E46 are flat, but euro mirrors are curved.
By the lights, I mean older vehicles that only had crappy halogen lights.
Believe me, it has nothing to do with the halogen, actually hallogen is not bad as many people think. For example yellow light penetrate the fog and rain better and it is more easy on eyes. It is a light pattern bad on most of the cars (even new). Usually it is flat line, while euro light has a beam that goes up-right and capture more stuff on a right side and right headlight captures further then left. Here they are more symmetrical like bike headlight.
Also, forgot about local deadly sin: Road surface marking paint is not reflective and reflectors are not everywhere.
There is little or no real optical engineering behind any of the aftermarket lamps — they are headlamp-shaped toys made from physical copies of the originals, which is not even close to adequate. One might as well try to cast new working contact lenses from a mould of your originals and expect to be able to see when you put ’em in your eyes. Even basic, low-tech headlamps are more akin to optical instruments than to the lamp on your bedside table.
The level of shape accuracy required to accurately focus a headlight beam can only be achieved with precise optical engineering from scratch, using correct materials with tightly controlled manufacturing and quality control. All of those things are missing from the knockoffs, which don’t even begin to get in the ballpark. Light distribution is not what it should be, and often the DOT certification marks are fraudulent."
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I meant the lens specifically. On some cars, you can replace just the lens. And if it's not DOT stamped, well, you cant run it in the case of an inspection. But it's literally just the lens.
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people don't give enough credit to reflector halogen headlamps...
i don't blame them though, because the American system (9004, 9007, H13, etc) is markedly inferior to the European system (H4/HB2/9003 [all the same bulb]), and the American system has been more prevalent here... because we're in North America.
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Each system has its advantages and disadvantages. The American system historically permitted a greater overall amount of light within the low beam, since the entire reflector and lens area is used, but at the same time, the American system has traditionally offered much less control over upward light that causes glare, and for that reason has been largely rejected outside the US. In addition, the American system makes it difficult to create markedly different low and high beam light distributions. The high beam is usually a rough copy of the low beam, shifted slightly upward and leftward. The European system traditionally produced low beams containing less overall light, because only 60% of the reflector's surface area is used to create the low beam. However, low beam focus and glare control are easier to achieve. In addition, the lower 40% of the reflector and lens are reserved for high beam formation, which facilitates the optimization of both low and high beams.
Thankfully, Canada allows E-code lamps. Example, if I drove an older car with sealed beams, I'd ditch them and go with European Hella,Bosch or Cibie lamps, or Japanese Koito or IPF lamps suitable for H4 bulbs (and right-hand traffic).
Also funny enough, Daniel Stern Lighting also produced this document for CVSE regarding vehicle lighting... http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspectio...g_Protocol.pdf
Once you get to the section regarding headlamps... you'll see that installing/retrofitting projectors is (unfortunately?) not an acceptable solution... not here anyway.
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I meant the lens specifically. On some cars, you can replace just the lens. And if it's not DOT stamped, well, you cant run it in the case of an inspection. But it's literally just the lens.
As long as the markings are present (DOT or SAE or ECE), you will be fine. Most models out there come with the markings on the headlamp lens. Some come with the markings on the housing. But, IMHO, if it is as such designed to allow replacement of the lens (is it plastic?) and you are afraid of losing the markings on the lens, you'll probably save a lot more work/hassle and some money by giving the faded/hazed lens a proper refinish/polish (recommend a 3M product or similar) and then spraying it with a anti-UV clear coat. My concern with a non-certified or non-OEM plastic headlamp lens is you don't know how long it will even last... Glass is another thing.
IMO, a lot of cars getting VI'ed start from the noise first. It's the most noticeable thing that doesn't require a line of sight to detect.
Spoiler!
Even lightly modified cars with a loud exhaust will get nabbed. Then it's up to VPD's discretion on what else they want to tack on once you're at the side of the curb, when they have all the time in the day to examine everything up close.
I'm sure there's exceptions, but that's my theory on it for now. Most people's cars are louder than they think once you have an aftermarket exhaust. I'm not disputing what's right or wrong, just simply what gets noticed the most.
The second I hear a loud exhaust ripping down the street, my head whips around to see what it is. The same goes for a cop, except his reason is much more sinister.
Back in the day I ran one of these on my STi exhaust, plumbed right off the downpipe. When it was closed the exhaust went through the oem muffler.
When you're playing against the rules, it helps to be stealthy. Exhaust noise is the first thing that will get their attention.
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Spoiler!
1) My god some people here think their car is getting VIed for being too sexy?! Do people think when people look at their rusted straight piped civic with a giant wing and plastidipped wheels that its too sexy?! I'm so glad I found this forum.
2) "you mean they some" - engrish?
3) Judging by your last post about "asking for it" and "women dressing too sexy" - you are somehow equating women to being harassed or assaulted to be similar to illegally (some illegal, some stock, some inbetween) modified cars getting told it is unsafe or way too loud? So first we got a guy comparing VIs to hitler and the holocaust, now to women asking for it? Impressive.
4) Apparently some people need to be taught this. Yes revving it past a cop with rattle can, no cats, yellow headlights/fogs, and 45 degree stance wheels is asking for for a ticket or VI. NO it is NOT the same as women dressing too sexy?!?!?!?! WTF????????
5) Unbelievable.
6) No I don't support VIs on minor mods or mods that are clearly safe/fine.
Agreed 100%
The cops are crossing the line with these VI's, and it's a shame.
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I meant the lens specifically. On some cars, you can replace just the lens. And if it's not DOT stamped, well, you cant run it in the case of an inspection. But it's literally just the lens.
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Take the point of view of a lawyer here.
The issue is that in the case of a lens being replaced, the whole unit has now been modified by someone who has not been approved to do these modifications. It puts the integrity and safety of the headlight in question. Just be happy that we can still do our own maintenance. The time will come where you won't be allowed to access your driveline unless you're a qualified technician. You are seeing it already with Teslas and some high end vehicles.
I'd love for the government to re-evaluate modifications that provide a greater benefit, such modifications would be brakes, suspension tuning, and lights. All of which can provide a greater benefit than OEM. There's the argument that can be made that a properly modified vehicle can get out of dangerous situations better than a stock car - simply because it is more capable. Like Speedstar, I think it's absolutely ridiculous the things they are saying contribute to fatal deaths.
I agree with you overall, but I don't think anyone's getting VI'ed for non-oem brakes or tires.
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with better suspension and tuning, more aggressive camber, etc, does it really help you in the city, or on a race track? Or are people driving their car in the city, like they're on a race track?
It's not more dangerous in any way to have a properly modded car, but I can see VPD refuting that it offers any real benefit in daily commuting. In an emergency, most people slam on the brakes anyway, which upgrading brakes are not anything they have been giving VI's for. As for upgrading suspension, maybe lowering the car 1" would have helped someone weave around that much quicker, every bit can help, but I don't think VPD's going to be convinced. That's really something more for aesthetics or utilized on track.
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I agree with you overall, but I don't think anyone's getting VI'ed for non-oem brakes or tires.
No but based on the VSA update, it suggests that the overall view is moving towards mandating all upgrades through changing the status of the car to altered.
How will that affect resale value? Further how will that affect insurance? These are all questions we don't know. I just want to point out that I upgraded my car to be safer, so why do I have to incur higher insurance rates?
I understand that in another perspective you have idiots modifying with "dumb" intentions or they do it in a stupid way. RE: extreme camber.
also lol if they start VI-ing based on non-oem tires too lmfao
also lol if they start VI-ing based on non-oem tires too lmfao
Well, it is quite close: the wheels, for example. Cops wrote not oem wheels on citations (even if fitting was withing the law). But if you think, what if my car is old, i damaged the wheel on a bump or it is cracked. Now question, do i buy brand new reliable wheels or fixing old one(and remember metal ages and weakens as well)? In case of cast wheels metal strength is compromised and it is not recommended to fix them. But cops here forcing us looking for OEM on used market with unknown history or fix old and weak rims. Basically forcing us to hunt down used tires that are not even manufactured anymore.
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with better suspension and tuning, more aggressive camber, etc, does it really help you in the city, or on a race track? Or are people driving their car in the city, like they're on a race track?
A proper suspension upgrade will make a night and day difference in every kind of emergency manoeuvre situation. Factory suspensions are almost always tuned for street comfort (and who can blame the manufacturers for this?), and it manages weight transfer during emergency manoeuvre rather poorly. In the simplest case of slamming on your brakes, a soft factory suspension will cause the weight transfer to happen too quickly. The rear end gets light too soon, too fast, and the chances of the rear end stepping out / wiggling becomes noticeably higher. Add to the fact that the overwhelming majority of drivers haven't got the slightest clue that maximum braking only occurs when your steering wheel is straight, and you have a recipe for spin out / side swipes / loss of vehicle control.
A properly tuned, performance grade suspension cannot replace driver skills, but it does vastly improve the driver's ability to control the vehicle under pretty much every imaginable driving situation.
Excessive camber will reduce longitudinal traction between the tires and the ground. In layman's terms, it will hurt your straight line acceleration and braking. From my personal experience, however, there is no observable degradation in acceleration / braking performance until you start approaching -2° camber. I'd even go as far as to say that up to -2.5° camber, the performance drop off is small. And yet I bet certain VPD officers will not be happy to see wheels cambered at -2°.
Believe me, it has nothing to do with the halogen, actually hallogen is not bad as many people think. For example yellow light penetrate the fog and rain better and it is more easy on eyes. It is a light pattern bad on most of the cars (even new). Usually it is flat line, while euro light has a beam that goes up-right and capture more stuff on a right side and right headlight captures further then left. Here they are more symmetrical like bike headlight.
Also, forgot about local deadly sin: Road surface marking paint is not reflective and reflectors are not everywhere.
Yes, this. Lack of reflective road markings/cat-eyes is notable in and around Vancouver. Driving between Richmond and Vancouver one notably bad area is Russ-Baker, Richmond bound, around the left turn bays for Gilbert,heading towards the 2 road bridge. Multiple lanes that become virtually indistinguishable from another on rainy nights, with yellowish street lighting creating glare that makes road markings disappear. LOL, I sound like a grumpy old man. But very poor set up (maintenance?), should at the very least be cat-eyed and repainted yearly.
1) My god some people here think their car is getting VIed for being too sexy?! Do people think when people look at their rusted straight piped civic with a giant wing and plastidipped wheels that its too sexy?! I'm so glad I found this forum.
2) "you mean they some" - engrish?
3) Judging by your last post about "asking for it" and "women dressing too sexy" - you are somehow equating women to being harassed or assaulted to be similar to illegally (some illegal, some stock, some inbetween) modified cars getting told it is unsafe or way too loud? So first we got a guy comparing VIs to hitler and the holocaust, now to women asking for it? Impressive.
4) Apparently some people need to be taught this. Yes revving it past a cop with rattle can, no cats, yellow headlights/fogs, and 45 degree stance wheels is asking for for a ticket or VI. NO it is NOT the same as women dressing too sexy?!?!?!?! WTF????????
5) Unbelievable.
6) No I don't support VIs on minor mods or mods that are clearly safe/fine.
Yah, ok. I was VI'd crawling through a intersection in a clean, mildly modified BRZ, just 1" lower with springs, no tint, stock rims(winters), and aftermarket exhaust. Driving like a saint , just trying to clear an intersection. This episode was witnessed by a member here, and can attest, I didn't do squat to attract attention...oh but wait...FRS/BRZ, club sticker, non-OEM exhaust tips, slightly more burble than stock, not sure how that would even be audibly perceptible at a very busy downtown intersection (Burrard & Robson), unless there was some profiling going on here, there is very bloody obviously some type of profiling of types of vehicles.
I'm sure its addition to exhaust powered etc.
Wondering if anyone has gotten pulled in a stock car with aftermarket rims?
I gotta find it, but there was a 10th gen civic sport hatch that got VI'd for non-oem wheels (they were painted blue LOL) and I think it was lowered (?). It looked pretty much stock. I don't think exhaust was on it.
And yet every. single. day for 2 years the same janky ass Mustang rips full throttle by my office building in downtown booming and crackling and popping away as he lifts off... I can actually tell when it's 4pm without looking at a clock because he does it the exact same time every day... so ??? not sure what their prerogative is or why they think the Broadway and Kingsway areas are the ones to always be staking out.
There are plenty of obnoxiously loud Harley Davidsons around but I won't hold my breath that police will ticket and issue VIs to them.
Also to say loud vehicles are a safety issue for pedestrians is a stretch. Appears to be a weak attempt to use safety as an excuse to crack down on loud vehicles.
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