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FatalCloud 06-06-2019 07:38 PM
^of course i don't know you but serious question, the fact that you are well off money-wise, do you think that makes you more accepting of this VI situation? if you were middle class, would your opinion still be the same?

meme405 06-06-2019 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950044)
Not devils advocate, you guys need wake up to the fact that the MVA exists and the police are there to enforce it. We’ve just been fortunate over the last decade that the police have largely turned a blind eye to modified vehicles.

FWIW I can’t leave anything alone, virtually every car I own or have owned is modified... I’m just as much at risk of getting a VI as the rest of you, I’m just far more willing to accept the consequences.
They aren't enforcing the MVA, and your definition that "every mod is illegal" is the exact reason we are in this predicament as it's a wholy inacurate and false statement.

The trouble here is that the cops say stupid things like "your car has no suspension" or "you can't lower your car" neither of which are even remotely true when reading the MVA. And furthermore neither are true when referencing the Cvse guidelines.

So yeah you can make claims that were all only making the situation worse by speaking out, but not doing anything won't make the situation better. And if you think that your a bigger fool than I took you for. Cause you know as well as I how these government cronies work.

And post facing your statement with "all my cars are modded". Is the equivalent of a white guy saying some racist shit and then claiming "its cool all my best friend is black". It's not cool bro, your still a racist.

twitchyzero 06-06-2019 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TouringTeg (Post 8950029)
I wonder if the media will pick this up since he was on his way to a charity event.

Alec Choy on IG (17k followers) just invited the world to the June 13th Police Board Meeting on VI Complaint.
but really though, why would an officer care if you're on the way to the children's hospice?

unless it's an emergency, why does it matter where you're going when pulled over in broad daylight for a loud exhaust (yes i understand it's stock)

jasonturbo 06-06-2019 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by meme405 (Post 8950050)
They aren't enforcing the MVA, and your definition that "every mod is illegal" is the exact reason we are in this predicament as it's a wholy inacurate and false statement.
Well if they aren’t enforcing the MVA what exactly are they enforcing?

Quote:
The trouble here is that the cops say stupid things like "your car has no suspension" or "you can't lower your car" neither of which are even remotely true when reading the MVA. And furthermore neither are true when referencing the Cvse guidelines.
So they are enforcing the MVA just not according to you interpretation of the act?

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So yeah you can make claims that were all only making the situation worse by speaking out, but not doing anything won't make the situation better. And if you think that your a bigger fool than I took you for. Cause you know as well as I how these government cronies work.
You don’t really think the government cronies are going to support revising legislation to increase acceptance of modified vehicles do you?

Here is one way to make the situation better: Don’t modify your car and you will most likely not end up with a VI.

Quote:
And post facing your statement with "all my cars are modded". Is the equivalent of a white guy saying some racist shit and then claiming "its cool all my best friend is black". It's not cool bro, your still a racist.
I’m merely communicating that I accept the reality of enforcement despite the fact that I may suffer as a result of it.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

jasonturbo 06-06-2019 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FatalCloud (Post 8950047)
^of course i don't know you but serious question, the fact that you are well off money-wise, do you think that makes you more accepting of this VI situation? if you were middle class, would your opinion still be the same?
The financial aspect wouldn’t bother me but the time required to un-modify, schedule inspection, deliver car for inspection, pick up the car, and then subsequently re-modify the car would be infuriating.

mb_ 06-06-2019 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950058)
The financial aspect wouldn’t bother me but the time required to un-modify, schedule inspection, deliver car for inspection, pick up the car, and then subsequently re-modify the car would be infuriating.
Perfect example of "pay to play" haha

Traum 06-06-2019 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950054)
Well if they aren’t enforcing the MVA what exactly are they enforcing?

So they are enforcing the MVA just not according to you interpretation of the act?
Jason,

If you are interested, please have a quick read through my OPCC complaint letter:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rPS...TSODL70_molDfs

In particular, I have described 2 occassions where the on-duty VPD traffic officer cited a version of the MVAR / CVSE regulations that are clearly contradictory to what the MVAR / CVSE says. In one case, he is recorded on video to say something along the lines of "no visible camber is allowed". In another case, he is recorded on video to reference a CVSE reg that is only applicable to the front wheels, but he was using it on the rear wheels.

Since the officer is not enforcing MVA or CVSE rules, I'd really like to know what he is enforcing as well, and that is kind of the point of my complaint.

Raid3n 06-06-2019 11:43 PM
out of curiosity... how would all this play out if you insured using this class?

https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registr...-vehicles.aspx

since it lists this..

https://i.gyazo.com/715f5a8541fa2559...cadf7be914.png

hud 91gt 06-07-2019 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raid3n (Post 8950079)
out of curiosity... how would all this play out if you insured using this class?

https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registr...-vehicles.aspx

since it lists this..

https://i.gyazo.com/715f5a8541fa2559...cadf7be914.png
A modified collector still requires a provincial inspection prior to approval.

That is exactly why I don’t agree with Jason’s comments. Just because something is modified doesn’t make it illegal or unsafe.

meme405 06-07-2019 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950054)
Well if they aren’t enforcing the MVA what exactly are they enforcing?
They are enforcing their interpretation of the MVA, which they are bending the rules on using clauses that are incorrect for the purpose they are using them for. And in many cases such as the suspension and exhaust related stuff just blatantly making up rules to give people VI's. And then when you get an inspection and a shop passes the vehicle they show up to the shop like gangsters and try to define to that certified inspector how they want things enforced, which is far and above what their mandate is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950054)
So they are enforcing the MVA just not according to you interpretation of the act?
Again, yes we can all interpret things in different ways, but the best thing to do is ask and inspector, and I can tell you right away that the police interpretation in MANY of the cases talked about in this thread are incorrect.

Are there cases that the person deserved a VI, abso-fucking-lutely. But those are not the cases we are talking about here. A bone stock Mclaren getting a VI for exhaust on his way to a charity event, a dealer optioned performance exhaust on an M car getting a VI, performance HFP suspension on a honda Civic getting a VI, etc. These are the cases that are clearly out of line.

And I'll just piggy back off another post of mine in this thread, since you haven't bothered to read the thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by meme405 (Post 8944764)
Basically (and someone can give you the actual code section), but the cops are using some BS section of the MVA that is supposed to be meant for them to be able to direct traffic to a parking lot in order to look at it, to bend the meaning of the rule to say that you have to go to "X" spot to have your car inspected. I'm 100% sure this isn't how the rule is intended to be used, and it's an abuse of power. Full stop.

And anyone who wants to say otherwise, I'll give a perfect example of the cops doing this just recently:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ones-1.5064378

Cops handed out 10's of thousands of tickets for people having their phone on the passenger seat or in a cup holder, and when someone finally managed to get their case into supreme court, and the judge ruled that's non-sense, the law applies to "USING" the device, it sitting in your cupholder is not "USING".

So now everyone can appeal the cell phone tickets they have gotten in the last like 3 years.

I can point to atleast 5 threads on RS alone that people said "well that's just how it is". No this isn't how it is, these cops are ridiculous, and those that chose to give out the tickets and now judges have to spend time re-reviewing 10's of thousands of cases should lose their jobs. This system of ours is one broken piece of shit.

The system is meant to be enforced by people who understand the laws which they are enforcing, and can interpret and enforce them without bias. The VPD and many other officers in this province, have proven and continue to prove they can't do this. And us as Tax payers, paying the wages of these people need to demand more accountability.

I'd say all the money required to re-review all those cases (which could be in the millions of dollars) should be stripped from the bonuses of Police in this province. I know if I fucked up at my job like they have, I wouldn't be getting a bonus...
So yeah, the cell phone case shows that we need to hold cops accountable, as they clearly aren't being managed by their own higher ups if they all managed to fuck the cell phone laws into the ground as bad as they did.

nexusxv 06-07-2019 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950054)
You don’t really think the government cronies are going to support revising legislation to increase acceptance of modified vehicles do you?

I’m merely communicating that I accept the reality of enforcement despite the fact that I may suffer as a result of it.
Sooo, we got it, you are not the fighter. Do not worry, we are not judging you, i fully understand that not everybody gets this. But what i can't get, why you trying to convince people willing to fight, to suck it up, sit in a coner and cry?

There is lot's of tools to fight this nonsense, and you behaving that we are in gulag and we should not upset the guards.

trollface 06-07-2019 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by nexusxv (Post 8950091)
we are in gulag and we should not upset the guards.
I would not upset the guards if I was gulaggin', make me move the big rocks and shit. I got office hands.

underscore 06-07-2019 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raid3n (Post 8950079)
out of curiosity... how would all this play out if you insured using this class?

https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registr...-vehicles.aspx

since it lists this..

https://i.gyazo.com/715f5a8541fa2559...cadf7be914.png
The changes need to be much more significant than what's done to 99% of modified cars to count for that.

GabAlmighty 06-07-2019 10:41 AM
And to think the Yukon is rewriting their motor vehicle act and is trying to mirror BC's. I'm scared.

UnknownJinX 06-07-2019 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 8950027)
Are you suggesting to just bend over and take it?

Like I mentioned in my original post, the issue is that police officers are people of authority and should be held to a higher standard. Why is it that citizens can't answer questions? Why are officers immediately combative? If you were a customer service rep in any other industry, you would be immediately fired if you were combative and didn't let the customer explain/be heard.

My point stands, why are the people who are supposed to serve and protect, allowed to be complete assholes and have no regard for the public. I'm upset about all of this because I have met a number of great cops, from RCMP to VPD, and despite all the great work they do, it all gets poured down the drain because of a select few individuals. We're supposed to reward those who do good work, not reward those who do poor work.
I agree to Jason's post in the sense that some of the name-calling posts in this thread definitely aren't helpful for this situation, and should be deleted or edited. Those don't contribute anything but only bring negative attention.

If one wants to tell a tale as objectively as possible and have a on-topic discussion that avoids name-calling, then that's good attention we might get.

Expresso 06-07-2019 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by UnknownJinX (Post 8950120)
I agree to Jason's post in the sense that some of the name-calling posts in this thread definitely aren't helpful for this situation, and should be deleted or edited. Those don't contribute anything but only bring negative attention.

If one wants to tell a tale as objectively as possible and have a on-topic discussion that avoids name-calling, then that's good attention we might get.
That's on the mods not on Bic. It's why the google doc was created to separate the good from the rest of the garbage.

GS8 06-07-2019 07:37 PM
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it:

Driving in Vancouver has become a huge Cain in the ass.

:troll:

:inout:

twitchyzero 06-07-2019 09:48 PM
pretty disappointed with VPD today

an officer on bike turning left didn't bother to stop a maniac in a nissan micra with 'baby on board' sign that weaved through traffic at an intersection, said maniac then cuts me off with 2ft of buffer from the parking lane

5 min down the road, a late model black F-150 crew cab with tinted cap-it tonneau cover and feb expiry cut me off making a right turn while doing 20kph...then at the next intersection slowly inches a left on red, no signal/sirens/lights

reference from google

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zh3o9q9834U/maxresdefault.jpg

got both on dash cam but too lazy to upload

if they wanna go on a vi blitz, at least pull those blatant dangerous drivers over...and have other dept's ghost car or cruiser not make lefts on a red

68style 06-07-2019 11:32 PM
Police vehicles/operators are completely exempt from the MVA when on duty just FYI so they don’t have to follow any rules whatsoever

BIC_BAWS 06-07-2019 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8950173)
Police vehicles/operators are completely exempt from the MVA when on duty just FYI so they don’t have to follow any rules whatsoever

To add on to this, they don't even need to run lights/sirens or either. All they have to do is justify it, which they probably will with a "police emergency". But not emergent enough to justify running code or they don't want to spook someone.

DaJo 06-08-2019 04:34 AM
This is a bit of a derailment but this was a cover story and I have truly lost all my faith in VPD...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5363897/v...investigation/

I did not know Nicole Chan personally but I have friends who went to high school with her... RIP.

68style 06-08-2019 06:30 AM
Yah I read that too, it’s pretty shameful and unfortunately despite many many many changes it’s a big part of police culture and will remain so until the last of the “dinosaurs” retire.

Rcmp cleaned up their act like crazy internally but even they still have a long way to go... VPD being small and private will be a decade plus before this culture is eliminated...

fT-z33wor 06-08-2019 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaJo (Post 8950183)
This is a bit of a derailment but this was a cover story and I have truly lost all my faith in VPD...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5363897/v...investigation/

I did not know Nicole Chan personally but I have friends who went to high school with her... RIP.
Nicole was a friend of mine and one of the things that rests heavy with me was I was unable to say goodbye face to face one last time as I had to serve overseas during her funeral...

Thank you for sharing this post though.

Scotsman 06-10-2019 12:21 PM
Remember the former Victoria police chief...that's POLICE CHIEF

https://www.vicnews.com/news/former-...rly-1-million/

KEILI BARTLETTOct. 5, 2018 11:45 a.m.LOCAL NEWSNEWS

New information released Friday show that former Victoria police chief Frank Elsner’s actions while on duty cost costpayers $1 million.

Elsner was the subject of lengthy diciplinary hearings following multiple investigations that lasted upwards of three years.

He quit as police chief in May 2017 after being suspended, and following a dispute over the handling of discoveries that he exchanged “salacious and sexually charged” Twitter messages with the wife of a subordinate officer.

The final total of legal services and expenditures reached $811,027, said a press release from the Victoria and Esquimalt Police Board.

“All of the costs listed have been paid over the last three years by Victoria and Esquimalt taxpayers. There are no outstanding bills to be paid,” Victoria mayor Lisa Helps said via email.

The breakdown includes $77,468 for the internal investigation, $224,757 for the investigation by the Vancouver Police Department and — the most expensive associated cost — $273,032 in legal services to the police board.

Legal services for Frank Elsner cost $170,024.

The investigation, which stripped Frank Elsner of and found him guilty of eight counts of misconduct, began in August 2015.

During that time, Elsner was paid $269,661 while suspended from duty.

trollface 06-10-2019 12:35 PM
Most orgs/companies are dirty/greasy AF. You just don't hear most of the fu fu that goes on. They will always protect the higher ups and have no qualms about throwing you under the bus if you rock the boat.


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