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02-17-2020, 01:58 PM
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#4076 | | NOOB, Not Quite a Regular!
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Would be great if the RS3 or M3 reach out to Alec Choy. It's time we stand up against these moronic police officers. Screenshot_20200217-165708.jpg | 
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02-17-2020, 05:09 PM
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#4077 | | "Entertainment" mod.
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He seems like a guy who can bankroll something, but high chance it gets shut down before anything happens because "We are the law and therefore immune to anything."
You'd think Cain would slow his vendetta. Boy was I wrong.
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02-18-2020, 03:28 PM
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#4078 | | ...in the world.
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I saw someone mention freedom of information request in regard to VIs. Has anyone made a request before? Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act
If anything, if everyone that got a VI just send one of these to annoy the police...
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02-18-2020, 03:47 PM
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#4079 | | To me, there is the Internet and there is RS
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PSA: Grandview and Boundry, this poor guy got nailed for "exhaust too loud". Keep an eye out for VPD guys. I walked out of my work to see this.
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02-18-2020, 03:59 PM
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#4080 | | I subscribe to the Fight Club ONLY
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Hmm... at least the noise meter isn't shoved right up the exhaust pipe, but that still looks like it is pretty darn close...
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02-18-2020, 04:51 PM
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#4081 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Traum  Hmm... at least the noise meter isn't shoved right up the exhaust pipe, but that still looks like it is pretty darn close... | That’s a busy location, just imagine the noise coming from all that traffic
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02-18-2020, 08:27 PM
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#4082 | | I subscribe to Revscene
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this is a good time for an ELI5
How do sound meters work? how does sound work? I'm pretty mechanically minded, but I have no idea about acoustics. 128kb and 256kb Mp3's sounded the same to me in winAMP
If the meter is sitting on the ground like in the pic above, adn the car is off - can it give you the reading of ambient sound? like say 30db of traffic and wind and other shit?
The MVA states that 83db is the limit for exhaust (i think). I've heard it explained here that it's supposed to be in a quiet controlled environment (like a testing station).
Do the VPD's sound meters take a "tare" sound level? Like I would zero out a scale based on the container weight before i measure its contents? is the reading calculated by subtracting the ambient sound level from the meter's result? do sound levels stack up like that?
I'm sure google can tell me this, but I'll bet there's an audio engineer on RS who can explain it better.
we all know you can't dispute VI's, and we've discussed that there is total ambiguity about how the meter is used, but I'd certainly be disputing the "excessive sound" tickets (and 3 points)
We have a meter out at the autox pad, I've never played with it. I think next time I might.
Kind of a theadjack , but I'm interested and would like to be educated if I run into one of the above situations so I can document it correctly.
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02-18-2020, 08:42 PM
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#4083 | | Ready to be Man handled by RS!
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I'm pretty sure the decibel meter test won't hold up in court, I'm not sure why they do this. The officer that did mine had the meter running off the charts (94db). There's no way my car is that loud when they tested it, especially roadside at a super busy intersection.
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02-18-2020, 10:00 PM
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#4084 | | Performance Moderator
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Originally Posted by The Producer this is a good time for an ELI5
How do sound meters work? how does sound work? I'm pretty mechanically minded, but I have no idea about acoustics. 128kb and 256kb Mp3's sounded the same to me in winAMP
If the meter is sitting on the ground like in the pic above, adn the car is off - can it give you the reading of ambient sound? like say 30db of traffic and wind and other shit?
The MVA states that 83db is the limit for exhaust (i think). I've heard it explained here that it's supposed to be in a quiet controlled environment (like a testing station).
Do the VPD's sound meters take a "tare" sound level? Like I would zero out a scale based on the container weight before i measure its contents? is the reading calculated by subtracting the ambient sound level from the meter's result? do sound levels stack up like that?
I'm sure google can tell me this, but I'll bet there's an audio engineer on RS who can explain it better.
we all know you can't dispute VI's, and we've discussed that there is total ambiguity about how the meter is used, but I'd certainly be disputing the "excessive sound" tickets (and 3 points)
We have a meter out at the autox pad, I've never played with it. I think next time I might.
Kind of a theadjack , but I'm interested and would like to be educated if I run into one of the above situations so I can document it correctly. | Someone on that same thread on Facebook posted a graph showing that every time you double the distance of the meter from the source of the sound it drops another 6dB... so if it's like 12" away like in that photo and measuring 90dB if he moved it to 2 feet away it would theoretically drop to 84dB... and likewise the exhaust would not be illegal to anyone in the vicinity who would be like 20+ feet from the car at any given time.
In short, the testing procedure is everything. A totally legal car can easily be made illegal depending where the microphone is placed.
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02-19-2020, 08:26 AM
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#4085 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Can you refuse the sound check? Do they have the power force you to rev your car?  | |
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02-19-2020, 08:39 AM
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#4086 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams Can you refuse the sound check? Do they have the power force you to rev your car? | You can refuse anything.
They may beat your ass to the Traning Day soundtrack, but you can refuse anything.
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02-19-2020, 09:12 AM
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#4087 | | RS Veteran
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A bit of a dick move, but could one ever request or question when the sound device/microphone was last calibrated? Putting on the wrong filter on the mic could make or break your test sometimes. Like 68style said, the testing procedure can easily be the line between a simple pass or fail. If the mic is sitting on a crappy tripod on the floor and trucks are running on the same track, the mic could pick up any vibrations and ambient noise.
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02-19-2020, 10:19 AM
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#4088 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams Can you refuse the sound check? Do they have the power force you to rev your car? | Also curious about this. If they're measuring the sound based off of excessive revving not reflective of how the individual was driving, they may as well give a speeding ticket for being parked as well just because a car CAN go over the speed limit.
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02-19-2020, 10:46 AM
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#4089 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Yea, they might give you a distracted driving ticket at this point too cuz you have a phone on you | |
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02-19-2020, 11:33 AM
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#4090 | | Pull Out Towing. Women rescued for free.
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Originally Posted by The Producer We have a meter out at the autox pad, I've never played with it. I think next time I might. | I played with the sound meter at autox a few times.
Things like clear skies or cloudy overcast will have affects on the db.
My straight piped CRX at WOT is loud as heck inside the car but falls under 92 db on the pad but I wouldn't try driving that car on the street. Insta box 1 and sent to the crushers.
but in this case, with the mic right behind the exhaust, and that close, a stock exhaust might fail too. 
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02-19-2020, 01:14 PM
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#4091 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
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can these fkc give VI to those running hid in non hids housing. plz
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02-19-2020, 09:46 PM
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#4092 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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Just saw a post from the Porsche club of a stock 911 getting a noise violation ticket. Hopefully it gets the attention of some well educated and hopefully connected members. It may go a little further then some fast and furious teenagers. Lol.
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02-19-2020, 09:55 PM
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#4093 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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Sorry if it's been posted but has anyone disputed a noise violation ticket? What was the outcome?
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02-19-2020, 10:41 PM
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#4094 | | RS Lurker, I don't post!
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Any word of what happened in court between Duke and Cain?
last I heard it was starting April 4th 2019
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02-19-2020, 10:41 PM
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#4095 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
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Originally Posted by M_C Any word of what happened in court between Duke and Cain?
last I heard it was starting April 4th 2019 | Who cares LMFAO
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02-19-2020, 10:43 PM
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#4096 | | I subscribe to the Fight Club ONLY
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So here is a recent development on the VI issue: https://www.facebook.com/pcacanadawe...type=3&theater Quote:
PCA-CWR TRAFFIC VIOLATION ALERT: PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS AS AFFECTS YOU - THE CWR MEMBER!
PLEASE SHARE TO OTHER VANCOUVER CAR CLUBS!
With spring around the corner, many of our Porsche Club members are getting ready to enjoy nice drives. However we need to caution you about the possibility of receiving undeserved traffic violation tickets because you are driving a Porsche.
Our member has commuted daily in his completely stock and unmodified 911 Targa 4S for the past 4 years (purchased new from Porsche Vancouver). His attention to safety is reflected on his clean driving record and by not having a single incident in his Porsches.
Our member was crossing the Burrard Bridge, driving in traffic safely within the speed limits when he was stopped by a Vancouver Police Department (VPD) officer. After he was pulled over, the VPD officer ordered him to reverse his car directly into oncoming traffic for over 50 feet across 3 lanes to park on the right shoulder of the bridge. Once parked the VPD officer performed a noise test using his handheld decibel reader which he held directly into our member’s exhaust system. The VPD officer instructed our member to rev his car to 3,500 rpm (why so high) in both normal and in sports mode. (As you can see from the video the Burrard Bridge is a noisy area that consistently produces loud background ambient noises that exceed 75 decibels.
The VPD officer issued him a ticket EA00038512 for excessive noise. What we all need to know is that this ticket carries 3 demerit points which will adversely affect your ICBC drivers insurance premiums on all your vehicles (this member has 5 vehicles). The officer also issued him with Notice and Order 3526080 and instructed him to get a full vehicle inspection on his car at a Porsche Dealership.
Our member promptly brought his car to Porsche Vancouver first thing the following morning. They directed him to BC inspection facility S13850 to get his car inspected. The vehicle inspection facility confirmed that his 911 Targa 4S was completely stock and completely unmodified and the noises emitted in both regular and sports mode were safely within the legal limits.
Watch the video the video of Todd Coupal - Porsche Club Safety Chairman driving our member’s 911 Targa 4S at the same speed at the same location to recreate what happened). You must ask why this Porsche was targeted? This car is NOT loud in any way. Joel Parker - Porsche Club’s former Chairman who also drove our member’s car affirmed that this stock 911 Targa 4S isn’t a loud vehicle.
On behalf of our members, we request to have a candid meeting and conversation with Deputy Chief Howard Chow and Superintendent Steve Eely and Inspector Earl Andersen to understand the VPD’s reasoning behind what happened to our member. As importantly we need to learn directly from them what our 800+ members can do to avoid a similar situation.
We believe it is a matter of public trust. Trust between drivers and the Police are important. While nobody should pity Porsche owners, nobody should ever be targeted and unfairly punished because they drive a sports car.
Please comment and forward this notice to friends from other automotive clubs and groups.
Together we can work productively with the VPD to help make driving safe and also free from undeserved harassment. We sincerely look forward to hearing from officers Chow, Eely and Andersen and the VPD. This conversation is important and frankly long overdue.
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02-19-2020, 11:08 PM
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#4097 | | RS Lurker, I don't post!
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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS Who cares LMFAO
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02-20-2020, 07:24 AM
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#4098 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by mj_39 That’s a busy location, just imagine the noise coming from all that traffic | Does traffic even matter?
I don't think traffic "adds" to noise. It's not like if your car is 60db and a 60db car drives buy it's going to read 120db.
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02-20-2020, 08:23 AM
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#4099 | | Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
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Originally Posted by trollface Does traffic even matter?
I don't think traffic "adds" to noise. It's not like if your car is 60db and a 60db car drives buy it's going to read 120db. | A normal car may be quiet but the noise coming from the tires against the road will make more noise than the engine. Plus since this particular incident is on a bridge, there's also the added noise of the tires going over those bridge sections that I'm sure all of us hear every few meters when driving over a bridge. And what if a bus or truck drove past as the test was conducted?
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02-20-2020, 08:24 AM
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#4100 | | NOOB, Not Quite a Regular!
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Originally Posted by trollface Does traffic even matter?
I don't think traffic "adds" to noise. It's not like if your car is 60db and a 60db car drives buy it's going to read 120db. | But if a 90dbA dump truck drives by that will change what it reads. Or if it's next to a building the building will amplify the sound due to reflection.
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