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Old 03-21-2020, 09:59 AM   #4451
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I have the utmost respect for all first responders that are still going to work dealing with all types of shit that the general public wouldn't even believe. I even could care less what he VI's... but the fact that he's spending his time to still do this in a city that has declared a state of emergency speaks volumes to the type of character he is or his bosses if they think this is still a priority.

I'm sure there are fellow vpd brotherin who have the virus from working on the job and others are doing a lot of OT because of shit going down. Surely they can go help out the general duty members?

I know the general public could care less about the car community and whats going on. However, i'm sure they would care when they find out that the vpd are probably prioritizing calls right now and most likely aren't going to attend their theft or break and enter call... and yet there is a dedicated unit spending their time staking out the streets for lowered civics during a provincial and city state of emergency

I seriously do not know how they can go back to the detachment and look at the other potentially sick or overworked vpd members and say they are police officers too. At this point, they seem more like bylaw officers with a gun
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I have the utmost respect for all first responders that are still going to work dealing with all types of shit that the general public wouldn't even believe. I even could care less what he VI's... but the fact that he's spending his time to still do this in a city that has declared a state of emergency speaks volumes to the type of character he is or his bosses if they think this is still a priority.

I'm sure there are fellow vpd brotherin who have the virus from working on the job and others are doing a lot of OT because of shit going down. Surely they can go help out the general duty members?

I know the general public could care less about the car community and whats going on. However, i'm sure they would care when they find out that the vpd are probably prioritizing calls right now and most likely aren't going to attend their theft or break and enter call... and yet there is a dedicated unit spending their time staking out the streets for lowered civics during a provincial and city state of emergency

I seriously do not know how they can go back to the detachment and look at the other potentially sick or overworked vpd members and say they are police officers too. At this point, they seem more like bylaw officers with a gun
I am sure they are proud. They pulled over a lowered civic that was a threat to public roads. Someone's gotta keep the road safe.
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It’s sad he is going out of his way to cost people large sums of money at a time when everyone is going totally broke.
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Meanwhile, real cops, first responders and hospital staff are putting their health on the line, to help get us through this.

Fucking glorified flashlight cop. To serve and protect.
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(just passing on info found on fb, not my photos)

someone got busted this morning around 31st and Victoria...

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VI’ing a civic because the spoiler caught his eye while I bet a dump truck probably cruises on by with bald tires and no load tarp securement on. I guess he can go back and brag to his buddies on how clean and easy his job is.
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someone got busted this morning around 31st and Victoria...




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You really would think that he would back down and at most issue warnings to people given the current global situation. Instead he’s doubling down because his fragile ego is still damaged after two years and a fucking kid is living rent free in his head.
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VPD traffic is complete garbage. This is where our tax money is used. We are in a serious situation across the globe and people have no jobs, sick with health conditions, businesses shutting down and you have this fucktard penalizing people when these are even "safety" concerns. So much for social distancing when you have fucktard in your face issuing you a Vi. There is always a place and time for things, is this even a right time to be doing such things to people? "I wish someone would just cough in his face now".
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I agree, it's beyond messed up. The entire city is on lockdown, the roads are deserted and these assholes are driving around looking to hand out VI's. Is this really a priority for the VPD?
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I agree, it's beyond messed up. The entire city is on lockdown, the roads are deserted and these assholes are driving around looking to hand out VI's. Is this really a priority for the VPD?
Priority to VI the workers of essential services on their way to and from work.
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Sorry for the potato quality, didnt know how to make a private video in my group public... so I did the stupid thing of just recording my monitor with my cellphone and uploading it to youtube.

Some context, there is no license plate because it was for BOX 1, when the video started, plates has already been seized...

I think we all know whose truck it is NP 0037

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Lol that's what they're using? I have the same sound level meter from AMAZON, couldn't even pony up for a real one?
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soon VPD traffic is gonna run out of people to VI in neighboring jurisdictions they'll have to visit Surrey, Agassiz, Squamish to get some action
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maybe it's just me but that car did not sound loud at all or 94db that it clocked at
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This was posted on the Facebook Alliance page by one of the mods, I think it's a very practical and orderly guide to use if you are pulled and subjected to some of these "testing procedures" maybe even print them out to keep in your car.

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This is my suggestion ONLY and does not constitute legal advice, but getting this information if you are stopped will likely help you fight 'noisy exhaust' tickets and filing a complaint if you choose to do so. I take no responsibility for what happens, but I believe these are reasonable things to ask.

Be friendly and film the interaction!!! And please fill out the form in the announcements section of this group if you do get a ticket and/or notice and order for an inspection.

Ask him what you are being pulled over for? If you are being pulled over for a loud exhaust, ask:
- What is the legal limit for exhaust noise?
- Were you doing something to cause unnecessary noise or are you being ticketed simply because of the exhaust you have installed? (it's good if he says it is just the exhaust, because 7A.01 is a driver behavior ticket)

Ask the following questions if they want to measure you:
- Are they using this to determine if you are violating MVA regulations?
- How will they be measuring the exhaust and positioning the microphone?
- State that the MVA and Federal regulation limits of 83db (if that’s what they quoted in response to 3.a.) is based on international regulations SAE J986 which is a measurement taken 15m from a vehicle in motion at 3/4 load. Why are they using a standard and procedure that isn’t in the BC MVA or federal guidelines for passenger vehicles? The procedure they are describing is for motorcycles or under a completely different standard (ISO 5130, not used in BC or Canada)
- Where are they getting the benchmark values for their test since it’s different from BC MVA and Federal standards?

If they are asking you to perform the test, state that if you do so, you would be violating MVA regulation 7A.01 because you would be causing unnecessary noise by revving your engine while stopped. You don’t want to break the law, but they are free to conduct the test themselves. (Note: the reason you want them to conduct the test is because it’s not valid anyways, and you can film them)

If you are getting an N&O, ask him what vehicle defect he is suspecting you of having and why he suspects it?

If you are getting an N&O with a dealership written on it, ask:
- What happens when none of the dealerships in the GVRD have vehicle inspectors according to the government, any authorized facility can perform inspections. Why is he directing you to a dealership?
- What is he basing suspicion of an equipment violation on and why is he issuing you a Box 2?
I disagree with what this guy is trying to tell everyone but agree with the intentions. Just my 0.02 because there is nothing else to do during the quarantine period.

First off MVA/MVAR rules are provincially governed. This means that the province makes their own guidelines on vehicle regs. I know its conflicting vs the federal standards but ultimately the Federal government has given the power to the provincial gov to make their own guidelines and rules.

Just curious has anyone even consulted a lawyer for the precedent of excessive noise violations? Looks like a lot of the public is uneducated and is complaining at certain officers using amazon db sound meters. It does not even matter how they administer the roadside test in the end to secure a conviction. It looks like lots of mis-information is being spreaded. Police officers do NOT need to use a proper DB meter to measure the noise and sound of a vehicle for a VI or an excessive noise violation ticket.
Look up R. v. Tootil (Former MLA driving Harley.)
https://bcdrivinglawyers.com/can-you...VjMAGqrH55BCZU

Case law precedent: the DB test is just a objective measure to corroborate the subjective opinion of an officer's view that it's loud and unecessary.

If you think that the officers are applying the legislation wrong then what is your argument to the supreme court judge who have used the provision to convict Mr. Tootil of Div. 7. (This is being used as precedent on CAR regulations as well as motorcycle)

I think the real definitive problem here is that the threshold for a VI is very very low. The usage of Vehicle inspection orders are too discretionary as it only requires a suspicion.
They don't need to tell you what they suspect you to have because that's will be written on the ticket.

Example in Quebec they have written in writing: "A police officer who has doubts about the safety of a vehicle can order it to undergo a mechanical inspection, even if the SAAQ had already deemed the vehicle in compliance, because it might have been modified again since the last inspection. Furthermore, if the police officer notices modifications for which you cannot provide a certificate of inspection from the SAAQ, your vehicle could be taken off the road if the officer believes it necessary due to the nature of the modifications." (https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/road-safe...modified-cars/)

I think what the community needs is something like this an CLEAR idea on whats allowed or prohibited in B.C
Quebec: https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/do...ur-vehicle.pdf
Saskatchewan: https://reginapolice.ca/vehicle/vehi...ifications.pdf

P.S Yes I'm against the notice and orders on stock vehicles. Yes I understand that there are modifications on cars that are factory performance or oem equivalent. It all depends on how you are driving the car. At the end of the day have a dash cam. Shift gears normally don't go above xk rpm in the city especially where it echos. Don't rev your lambo in the city. Don't be on corsa/track/track mode or whatever it is that opens up the valves in your car.
Argument is that sport mode and other modes holds higher RPMs for longer periods = unnecessary noise. Sport mode suspension in some modern cars makes it stiffer.

I'm all eyes n ears tell me if i'm wrong.

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If you get pulled over can you tell the cops to stay 2-6m away from you at all times due to provincial health orders ?
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2 years since VI blitz started, still never been pulled over by VPD and i live in the hot spots

front hook, smoked signals, wider tires

stock height/exhaust, front plate

are vehicles without boomy exhausts/various driving modes less targeted?
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2 years since VI blitz started, still never been pulled over by VPD and i live in the hot spots

front hook, smoked signals, wider tires

stock height/exhaust, front plate

are vehicles without boomy exhausts/various driving modes less targeted?
Case by case scenario:

Age of driver
Sporty/Exotic Vehicles
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Obvious Targets
Big exhaust tips
A loud exhaust
Lowered
Vehicle visual mods that stand out

On a slow day - anyone can be pulled over
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Age of driver
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Obvious Targets
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A loud exhaust
Lowered
Vehicle visual mods that stand out

On a slow day - anyone can be pulled over
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