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Another member here linked me to this https://opcc.bc.ca/about-us/
"Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner" responsible for mandating all municipal departments. (Obv excludes RCMP because that's fed)
1. This provides public documentation of our side of the whole story. Proves that we're not some cop-haters. Talks about the various public implications there are.
2. By not locking the thread, you're promoting transparency. Which at the moment, along with ethical accountability, is lacking from the VPD.
I've said for YEARS how the VI system is a completly flawed system. I know of 1 friend personally, who picked his car up after it passed inspection, drove 2 blocks (yes 2 blocks) and got pulled over and given another VI. After explaining the officer that he had just completed an inspection and showed the sticker and everything the officer said "oh well you'll have no trouble passing again then won't you?" and issued the VI.
This is the problem with the system. No disputing and no second opinions. No grace period just complete control by the police to issue at will.
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I am preparing something to send to the Minister of Transportation and the VPD to express my concerns regarding the MVA and the VPD's execution of its clauses. Specifically, I'd like to focus on the issues of 1) wheel alignment / camber, and 2) clearance height / vehicle lowering, and I'd like to get a little help from everyone.
I've skimmed through the MVA a couple of times, and the only thing that I can find with regards to lowering / ride height is Section 7.091 regarding clearance height. I remember some of us have thrown around the "allowed to change ride height by +/- 1" line here in this thread, but I absolutely cannont find any referene of it or any sort of lowering in the MVA. I want to get this right in my letter of conern, so I am asking RS to help. Is that just some random BS certain officers are throwing around when they VI you, or is that written somewhere in the MVA?
Please advise. I will share the finished piece here before I send it out.
Page 52:
Wheel alignment
Side slip of the front wheels shall not exceed 9 m per 1.6 km as measured on the alignment gauge.
The caster, camber or toe-in of a vehicle shall not be out of adjustment to the extent that it is apparent visually.
Vehicles shall not be misaligned to the extent that the variation of the track exceeds 75 mm and the variation of axle centre exceeds 50 mm.
Page 46:
Clearance height
7.091 A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 4 500 kg must have a minimum clearance for all parts of it, other than the wheels in contact with the level roadway, that is no lower than the lowest point on the rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.
Then in DIVISION 25 – VEHICLE INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE, we find the following under Part 3 (page 154):
25.20 This Part applies to a vehicle that was
(b) altered by changes to its suspension height by more than 10 cm from the
original basic specification of the vehicle manufacturer,
Thus, if suspension height is altered by more than 10cm, the following must be applied:
25.21 A person must not drive, operate or park a vehicle on a highway until it has been presented to a designated inspection facility and an approved certificate of mechanical condition in a form set by the director has been issued in respect of the vehicle by an authorized person.
[en. B.C. Reg. 304/2001; am. B.C. Reg. 135/2003, s. 3.]
Duties of authorized persons
25.22 (1) An authorized person must not issue a certificate under section 25.21 unless he or she is satisfied, and certifies on the certificate, that the vehicle complies with the Act and its regulations and is safe for use on the highway.
Thank you for pointing that section out to me, CCA-Dave.
So given the clearance height clause in Section 7.091 and the modified vehicle requirements outlined in Section 25.20(b), I don't see how the typical vehicle lowering that many of us have done on our cars is illegal as long as it doesn't violate the clearance height requirement dictated in SEction 7.091. As a matter of fact, there is no legislation governing the amount of lowering we can do as long as the suspension height change is not more than 10cm -- only the clearance height is being goverened. In other words, the police cannot ding us for lowering our cars, but they can certainly use the insufficient clearance height clause to hit us if our cars violate that clause.
I've said for YEARS how the VI system is a completly flawed system. I know of 1 friend personally, who picked his car up after it passed inspection, drove 2 blocks (yes 2 blocks) and got pulled over and given another VI. After explaining the officer that he had just completed an inspection and showed the sticker and everything the officer said "oh well you'll have no trouble passing again then won't you?" and issued the VI
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This is the problem with the system. No disputing and no second opinions. No grace period just complete control by the police to issue at will.
Berz out.
It seems to me that this is the direction the police want to go. Where they have the power to use their own discretion. Judge, jury, executioner. It started with giving them the power to execute for excessive speed, dui, and VI.
It seems to me that this is the direction the police want to go. Where they have the power to use their own discretion. Judge, jury, executioner. It started with giving them the power to execute for excessive speed, dui, and VI.
"I saw you using your cell phone...".... or "Your cellphone is in the cupholder so I think you are likely to use it"... can't dispute those massive tickets either.
How about Proceeds of Crime too? Super dangerous legislation allowing them to just decide to take possession of your vehicles or otherwise and then leaving it up to you to battle in court to prove your innocence.
Not affording an opportunity to dispute or challenge the discretionary ruling of any authority figure is a serious reduction of civil liberties.
I am new to RevScene since my latest VI. Figured I might as well give my account considering the situation at hand.
Spoiler!
I got a Box 1 VI from Officer Cain on October 24th, just North of E49th on Kerr st. I was driving my 1992 BMW 325I which by alot of people's standard would be considered something along the lines of a Hotboi vehicle (7* Front 4* rear, Cut fenders, seats, steering wheel, gutted, Hood pins, ETC.) Its not my first Box 1, likely wont be my last. For the record I WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVED A VI, if you go by the letter of the law. That being said I am the first person to point out the fact that I pass countless 2001 Honda Civics with rust holes in the rockers and brakes that you can see the scoring on from the next lane. In my eyes, those are the people that SHOULD be getting a VI, for having an "Unsafe Vehicle", where as I spend 4 nights a week under my vehicle, doing maintenance and ensuring that it performs to a T for my needs. But that is a whole different discussion.
I was pulled over by Officer Cain, in his unmarked mid-sized SUV while heading South-bound, in traffic, minding my own business at around 9:00 am. He immediately told me that he would be presenting me with a Box 1 VI and the vehicle would be towed. He took some photos, asked me some questions that very quickly proved that he knew damn near nothing about the MVA or cars in general. He performed a sort of "road-side Inspection" by asking my to turn on my headlights, highbeams, turn signals and brake lights. All of which worked flawlessly. He then asked me to "pull my handbrake all the way up, and then "put the car in gear and let off the clutch"... Nothing happened, he then asked me to "give the car some throttle" and once my car began to creep through the 25 year old handbrake, he informed me that "this was not acceptable" and it was another point against me towards a VI. He also mentioned that "visible camber" was one of the reasons he knew my car was "illegal", which is one of the most unaware and unknowledgeable blanket statements I have ever heard. How many vehicles from factory have "visible camber"? He then went back to his vehicle where he wrote my ticket ($109) and a VI which stated that it "must be done at a BMW Dealer". He then proceeded to ask me if my horn worked (Aftermarket button on a Momo Leather Wheel), and once I showed him that it did work, he then scratched out the line on the VI notice about "no horn". After all of the nonsense that came out of his mouth and the fantastic line of "I know alot about cars because I hand out plenty of VIs", he proceeded to tell me that he had called a tow truck and it would be here soon. At which point he told me to put my 4-way flashers on and he left the scene. I was in the right line, on a right hand turn, in morning traffic... After about 20 minutes and watching as 3 different vehicles locked their brakes up and nearly re-ended my car, the tow truck showed up and I was immediately asked "where is the officer" to which I replied "he left", to which the tow truck driver replied "Weird, I would have just left it if was me". I then towed the vehicle to my place of work and am in the midst of getting it to pass a VI at the shop of my choosing as an officer cannot tell you where to get the VI done.
I want to stress again... My car was ABSOLUTELY deserving of a VI visually (aggressive ride hight and camber) so I am not for a second saying I have an issue with that. I am however here to tell my story of how Officer Cain treated me like another check on his to-do-list and fed me a massive amount of bullshit MVA information and demonstrated that he has no idea of what makes a vehicle safe or dangerous, then left me in the road (with no plates) to cause havoc on Kerr Street for over 20 minutes.
It is clear that Officer Cain is acting out of spite and making decisions that are unfair and without cause (at times). I see it as a simple situation of if he wants to treat me like a piece of garbage then I will do the same to him. I will pass a VI at the facility of my choosing and be back on the roads shortly. Whether he likes it or not. I will also be running video from now on any and every-time I interact with a cop, especially VPD.
Maybe this helps people, maybe not. Figured I would share. If anyone wants more info on my situation please feel free to message me and I will try to check back and answer as soon as possible.
once you're back on the road, let us know what goes down if he pulls you over again and you inform him that you passed it at a shop that you chose. i want to see what other BS he spews.
"Your cellphone is in the cupholder so I think you are likely to use it"... can't dispute those massive tickets either.
yep that one is a massive BS like "your device is not secured away and out of reach"
they think they can play Minority Report on our asses
even if they're right 80% of the time, it's a joke for the rest of the alleged offenders
Operating a motor vehicle that doesn't comply with the MVA. I got the same one.
Something just occurred to me.
How do they know you don't comply? That's why they're giving you a VI, because they are not vehicle inspectors, and can't say your car doesn't comply.
Wasn't someone's story exactly that? When asking why the VI was issued and on what grounds, cop just says "well i'm not a mechanic but i have reason to suspect, so here's a vi"
Then this is another issue. Now even more money is wasted on this.
It does considering they pulled a Lotus for no front plate. Not sure if it was issued a VI.
the cops r there almost 4 days a week during summer time. that location is a pretty well known speedtrap/cell trap, ppl drive that section like theyre on a highway doing 80+ or since theyre on the viaduct that no cops can spot them from the side using their cell phone.
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I had some girl come into the busser station the other day trying to make out with every staff member and then pull down her pants and asked for someone to stick a dick in her (at least she shaved).
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Vtec doesn't kick in on Reverse.
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its like.. oh yeah oh yeah.. ohhhh yeah... OOoooOohh... why's it suddenly feel a bit better... ohhhh yeahh... ohhh...oh..fuck... it probably ripped.
I'm too lazy to pull the video, but today at 5:30PM at Richmond Ikea, a Pontiac Vibe (Matrix) was driving around with no headlight - literally the entire left side headlight and housing was missing.
If anyone really deserves a VI due to unsafe vehicle, it should be people like that. WTF.
what does outlining examples like that achieve (which has already been stated dozens of time here) other than make us sound whiny?
if I get a ticket for speeding, while pulled over there's no point complaining to the officer you just saw someone ran a red light but the officer isn't pursuing them.
stock vehicles VI'd, yes please speak up. If it's clear as day your modification is within MVA, speak up.
if the accounts here are accurate, then yes some VPD members are being quite unprofessional. Like the guy 2 pages ago said, he or she is not contesting the validity of the VI, but moreso the attitude of the officers and them making shit up that drives us up the wall. Valid complaint.
everything else is just noise.
you get a pass because you haven't even gotten a ticket but is the one taking most of the initiative.
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