PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[J.C]

Man I remember back when I got pulled over years ago by a pair VPD traffic unit members in my stanced Genesis for speeding. They gave me my ticket and sent me on my way with no mention of my wheel gap or anything... they were actually super respectful and pleasant to deal with.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by 68style

4 motorcycle cops were pulling people around 6pm this evening all along 70th east of Oak... there was no radar from Oak bridge like usual just pulling cars seemingly at random out of traffic, saw a stock 2003 Civic having to cycle through it’s various lights at the officers instructions close to Marine Drive and closer to Oak they were yarding over a stock Range Rover Sport too.

Too bad people with completely stock vehicles are unlikely to be part of RS or privy to any kind of movement from the car scene.

IMO it's better if someone with a stock car complained.

Like said before, it would have been more relatable to the general public and generate more buzz, which is what we want. They will now know that it can also affect their lives as they try to get to their job, get home to see their loved ones, only to be pulled over unnecessarily and waste their money and time because some cops... I will leave the reasoning up to you.

[nexusxv]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

IMO it's better if someone with a stock car complained.

Like said before, it would have been more relatable to the general public and generate more buzz, which is what we want. They will now know that it can also affect their lives as they try to get to their job, get home to see their loved ones, only to be pulled over unnecessarily and waste their money and time because some cops... I will leave the reasoning up to you.

my frend saw it too. He thinks it was cell phone related

[E90M3]

Got threatened with a VI today, Motorcycle traffic cop for VPD, had an Irish? accent. Told him I bought the car as is from Brian Jessel so thats the reason he didn't give me a VI. He did give me an excessive noise ticket, but my car was very quiet at the time. My friend in front of me had a full straight pipe but I get the excessive lol.

[yourself]

Originally Posted by E90M3

Got threatened with a VI today, Motorcycle traffic cop for VPD, had an Irish? accent. Told him I bought the car as is from Brian Jessel so thats the reason he didn't give me a VI. He did give me an excessive noise ticket, but my car was very quiet at the time. My friend in front of me had a full straight pipe but I get the excessive lol.

Dispute that ticket. It’s worth 3 points on your licence. Complete bullshit.

[mk1freak]

Originally Posted by E90M3

Got threatened with a VI today, Motorcycle traffic cop for VPD, had an Irish? accent. Told him I bought the car as is from Brian Jessel so thats the reason he didn't give me a VI. He did give me an excessive noise ticket, but my car was very quiet at the time. My friend in front of me had a full straight pipe but I get the excessive lol.

Originally Posted by yourself

Dispute that ticket. It’s worth 3 points on your licence. Complete bullshit.

Taking a short video of the current setup showing the current date somehow would help your case if the exhaust is fine.

[mb_]

Lol maybe he thought the noise was coming from your car instead of your friend's car?

[E90M3]

Originally Posted by mb_

Lol maybe he thought the noise was coming from your car instead of your friend's car?

Yah, that's what I said. He's like no the further he got the louder I got??? I was so low in the RPMs too lol. 1200 RPM going up a hill. I'm not denying the fact that my car would have gotten a ticket for noise any other time but just at that exact moment my car was dead ass quiet like any other car and my friends car was the loudest thing.

The cop told me that the ticket is no points, however if you search up the law its 3 demerit points, so yah. I don't care about the ticket itself but the points? Why did he lie about the law directly to my face?

The ticket says
Unnecessary Noise
(4x loud muffler/exhaust)
7A.01

Which by definition of the MVA is
No person shall start, drive, turn or stop any motor vehicle, or accelerate the vehicle engine while the vehicle is stationary, in a manner which causes any loud and unnecessary noise in or from the engine, exhaust system or the braking system, or from the contact of the tires with the roadway.

But I wasn't even revving?

Then he proceeded to tell me that BMW valved exhaust is illegal (I don't have valved), which means that even a base model 3 series with stock exhaust can get a VI, because those come valved from factory and work on two basis, either vacuum, or you can go into sport and it will open the valves. He also said Sport and Sport+ are illegal on the road. Which is retarded to why manufacturers are allowed to add these features to normal 3 series.


Anyways, case law from 2012 says cops can give you a ticket without a sound measuring device from their own expertise lol. Which is funny cause the cop didn't even know exactly what I was driving even with the badge clear as day on the trunk. At first he thought I was normal 3 series until I told him no, this is an M3 with a V8. That's when he backed off slightly with the "Order of Inspection"

[BaoTurbo]

Originally Posted by yourself

Dispute that ticket. It’s worth 3 points on your licence. Complete bullshit.

Originally Posted by E90M3

Yah, that's what I said. He's like no the further he got the louder I got??? I was so low in the RPMs too lol. 1200 RPM going up a hill. I'm not denying the fact that my car would have gotten a ticket for noise any other time but just at that exact moment my car was dead ass quiet like any other car and my friends car was the loudest thing.

The cop told me that the ticket is no points, however if you search up the law its 3 demerit points, so yah. I don't care about the ticket itself but the points? Why did he lie about the law directly to my face?

The ticket says
Unnecessary Noise
(4x loud muffler/exhaust)
7A.01

Which by definition of the MVA is
No person shall start, drive, turn or stop any motor vehicle, or accelerate the vehicle engine while the vehicle is stationary, in a manner which causes any loud and unnecessary noise in or from the engine, exhaust system or the braking system, or from the contact of the tires with the roadway.

But I wasn't even revving?

Then he proceeded to tell me that BMW valved exhaust is illegal (I don't have valved), which means that even a base model 3 series with stock exhaust can get a VI, because those come valved from factory and work on two basis, either vacuum, or you can go into sport and it will open the valves. He also said Sport and Sport+ are illegal on the road. Which is retarded to why manufacturers are allowed to add these features to normal 3 series.


Anyways, case law from 2012 says cops can give you a ticket without a sound measuring device from their own expertise lol. Which is funny cause the cop didn't even know exactly what I was driving even with the badge clear as day on the trunk. At first he thought I was normal 3 series until I told him no, this is an M3 with a V8. That's when he backed off slightly with the "Order of Inspection"

Complete utter bullshit. My car has a valved exhaust and the dealership does a resonated delete with a factory oem part that we can back up obviously with factory warranty on top of this. If this is in fact true, then they are literally just spewing shit out of their asses at this point to get you that ticket.

I wonder what will result in them telling me this again if I take out my phone to record what they are telling me because they stand for the law since they are law enforcement. And if they're not telling the truth then I don't know what is the law.

Sport and Sport+ is a feature on the vehicle and honestly I can do whatever the fuck I want with the functions as long as I keep it within the law. Fuck, next thing you know they tell you listening to the radio while driving is illegal because it's "distracted driving"

[tofu1413]

aftermarket exhaust on the E90 M3?


don't recall them having valvetronic system at all from factory on the exhaust.


driving mode is irrelevant for legal reasons as well. no different from not letting us use the car on manual shift mode either.

[Kayci]

Originally Posted by 68style

4 motorcycle cops were pulling people around 6pm this evening all along 70th east of Oak... there was no radar from Oak bridge like usual just pulling cars seemingly at random out of traffic, saw a stock 2003 Civic having to cycle through it’s various lights at the officers instructions close to Marine Drive and closer to Oak they were yarding over a stock Range Rover Sport too.

Too bad people with completely stock vehicles are unlikely to be part of RS or privy to any kind of movement from the car scene.

Originally Posted by nexusxv

my frend saw it too. He thinks it was cell phone related

The last few times I saw this at Oak/70 were all for cellphone. Saw one or two guys walking between the rows of stopped cars and looking into the cars for cellphone usage.

[cho]

bleh

[E90M3]

Originally Posted by BaoTurbo

Complete utter bullshit. My car has a valved exhaust and the dealership does a resonated delete with a factory oem part that we can back up obviously with factory warranty on top of this. If this is in fact true, then they are literally just spewing shit out of their asses at this point to get you that ticket.

I wonder what will result in them telling me this again if I take out my phone to record what they are telling me because they stand for the law since they are law enforcement. And if they're not telling the truth then I don't know what is the law.

Sport and Sport+ is a feature on the vehicle and honestly I can do whatever the fuck I want with the functions as long as I keep it within the law. Fuck, next thing you know they tell you listening to the radio while driving is illegal because it's "distracted driving"

I wish I had recorded this encounter. I also wish I still had a dashcam but last time I did have one a certain Forum Sponsor I bought it from cracked my windshield during installation and then two weeks later it fried itself and my FRM Module on my 335i due to a bad installation, they cut into the wrong wire lol.

I'm confused still on why he said my ticket isn't any points but the law says its 3 points. I know none of you guys can give the proper legal advice, but how would I go on for disputing this? This is my first ticket ever, I've had a clean record since I've gotten my license.


Furthermore, he said they're only for the track, which I agree with you, why am I NOT allowed to use certain functions on my vehicle that I purchased.

The worst part is, he took 5 minutes looking into my interior looking for a Sport+ button. I told him I do NOT have a function in my vehicle to open any valves as my car doesn't have any. He didn't believe me until I showed him the ONLY options I have in my center console area, which are POWER - BLANK - DSC OFF, on other cars BLANK would have been EDC/Electronic Damper Control which my vehicle isn't equipped with. The power button idk what that does but it sure doesn't open any valves LOL.

I still think its fucked up that cars with no working brake lights or headlights are less of an issue than someone with an apparent "loud" exhaust, or that buddy over here with a car thats rusting apart literally as he drives is safe. Sometimes officer discretion is a bitch. Earlier that day I drove behind a VW that had no working brake lights whatsoever, and behind me was a Surrey RCMP Cruiser. The VW went into the turn lane and obviously stopped but no brake lights. I even saw the officer turn his head towards the car slightly and just ignored it.

Originally Posted by tofu1413

aftermarket exhaust on the E90 M3?


don't recall them having valvetronic system at all from factory on the exhaust.


driving mode is irrelevant for legal reasons as well. no different from not letting us use the car on manual shift mode either.

OEM Muffler on my car that I bought from Brian Jessel BMW PreOwned, and you're correct, only the normal E9X 3series has a valvetronic that only opens under vacuum, but he was telling me "all these exotics like Porsche and BMW have a mode that lets you open the pipes"





(Sorry for the scattered post again, not that great at big replies anymore.

[welfare]

unless things have changed the past fifteen years, Go to the motor vehicle branch with the ticket and tell them you want to dispute it. Must be within 30 days of the alleged offence.

[Traum]

First of all, thank you for the suggestions and words of encouragement.

Originally Posted by bb4srv

I scanned your initial letter and I find the tone quite aggressive and condescending. Keep in mind that if you decide to write to a government agency, especially when addressed to the Minister, the tone should be professional and grammatically correct. The Ministry would not take your letter seriously as written.

Once you have a final draft, post it here and PM me and I can edit it for you.

Plus, it should be Solicitor General, Mike Farnworth - not Eby

It's interesting how you are not the first person to tell me I was aggressive in that writing. I guess it came out that way because I was just pissed. As many of us will probably agree, this is ridiculous, especially so when stock cars are getting hit as well. IMO, some of the officers out there are totally abusing the authority that has been bestowed on them, and that just pisses me off.

I'll take your word for it that the letter should be addressed to the Solicitor General. Would you care to quickly educate this idiot what the difference is between him and the AG in BC?

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

perhaps throw in the end, that you would gladly show them further evidence to back up your claims, assuming you have some prepared. like youtube videos or example's of VI tickets, etc.

This is a problem that I have thought about prior to writing, and is also part of the reason why I wrote the letter the way it was written. The difficulty for me is, I have not been given a VI (and I sure hope I won't get one). The closest of what I can refer to as "evidence" is probably Cho's in-car video when he was stopped by the police (ie. the blue BRZ). This is why question 1 was formulated with more of a focus on how "the MVA is unreasonable"

I promised myself that I am going to try my best to see this one through. Unfortunately, the timing of it is not exactly good since there is a lot happening, and I just don't have a lot of time on my hands (which is why I am only replying at this ungodly hour now... ) I will see through the updates and revising, but it will probably be a little slow. Please bear with me on what may seem like a lack of updates on this subject.

[yourself]

I was also lied to about this ticket having zero points, in court, on the day of trial before the hearing, by two VPD traffic officers. I took there word for it and just paid it. It’s one of the few tickets now on my record. It, along with other situations in life, has slowly eroded my trust in humanity.

[320icar]

The other day driving down shell rd in Richmond being followed by an rcmp for a while. I forgot how hard your heart starts pounding (for no reason) when they light up behind you. I pull over, and he stops, does a u-turn and pulls a guy going the opposite direction.

[yray]

Originally Posted by 320icar

The other day driving down shell rd in Richmond being followed by an rcmp for a while. I forgot how hard your heart starts pounding (for no reason) when they light up behind you. I pull over, and he stops, does a u-turn and pulls a guy going the opposite direction.

RICHMOND RCMP, THEY CHILL

[tofu1413]

if manufacturer doesnt state "off road use only" any where on owner's manual or any labeling whatsoever, then it meets Canada department of transportation standards for legal road use.

So Mr officer, its legal on federal level yet not legal provincially?


there are tons of shit boxes on the roads that needs to be pulled over yet "above average" mechanical condition enthusiast cars get pulled over ... police focus done wrong for sure.

[rriggi]

Why do we have the CMVSS and Transport Canada if its just up to traffic cops of whats legal and not legal LOL

If the dealer sold that car in this country with that feature, its legal

[!Aznboi128]

A friend of mine was driving a SVR F-type and he got in a bit of trouble with the loud stock exhaust.

[68style]

F-Types were getting in trouble since they came out, not sure what the legality of their stock exhaust is decibel wise... the SVR Range Rover Sports are pretty obnoxious too

[GS8]

Originally Posted by yray

RICHMOND RCMP, THEY CHILL

https://globalnews.ca/news/4675280/r...ured-richmond/

Some drivers aren't so chill

[E90M3]

Originally Posted by yourself

I was also lied to about this ticket having zero points, in court, on the day of trial before the hearing, by two VPD traffic officers. I took there word for it and just paid it. It’s one of the few tickets now on my record. It, along with other situations in life, has slowly eroded my trust in humanity.

Yah its pretty stupid how they can lie about points and stuff to your face. Like realistically they can't say no points unless they write you up a ticket that actually offers no points for the same amount.

[keifun]

Stupid question..I apologize in advance.

So for that blue BRZ, after it got inspected and receive the Certificate of Approval on the windshield, is it good until November 30, 2019?

So after that date it needs another inspection?