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Quick update on the police complaint situation. A sergeant from the VPD Professional Standards Section tried calling me today to arrange for a time to discuss my complaint. Unfortunately, I had missed his call. I will obviously get in touch with him and see where things go from there.
Will keep the thread posted if any new developments come.
Additionally, I have purchased a 1 year online subscription to the CVSE vehicle safety and inspection standards manual. If anyone on RS wants to have something checked out in the manual because you received a VI, or have concerns about whether something would pass a CVSE inspection or not, let me know and I will do my best to look up the relevant clauses for you.
And on that note, this is the preliminary impression that I got after quickly skimming through the manual regarding the camber and ride height issues that I have complained about:
Camber
It needs to be within manufacturer specs. If it is not within the manufacturer's tolerance, the inspection will fail. This one is extremely clear cut.
Ride Height
The springs cannot be missing, broken, welded, improperly seated in the spring saddle or sagged so as to lower vehicle more than 38 mm (1 1/2 in.) from manufacturer’s specified height. Does not operate as intended.
I personally see different interpretations can be argued here, and my own personal take is, I still don't see anything in the MVA or CVSE manual that disallows vehicle ride height changes as long as the change is within 10cm, and no other MVA / CVSE inspection requirements are violated.
Quick update on the police complaint situation. A sergeant from the VPD Professional Standards Section tried calling me today to arrange for a time to discuss my complaint. Unfortunately, I had missed his call. I will obviously get in touch with him and see where things go from there.
Will keep the thread posted if any new developments come.
Additionally, I have purchased a 1 year online subscription to the CVSE vehicle safety and inspection standards manual. If anyone on RS wants to have something checked out in the manual because you received a VI, or have concerns about whether something would pass a CVSE inspection or not, let me know and I will do my best to look up the relevant clauses for you.
And on that note, this is the preliminary impression that I got after quickly skimming through the manual regarding the camber and ride height issues that I have complained about:
Camber
It needs to be within manufacturer specs. If it is not within the manufacturer's tolerance, the inspection will fail. This one is extremely clear cut.
Ride Height
The springs cannot be missing, broken, welded, improperly seated in the spring saddle or sagged so as to lower vehicle more than 38 mm (1 1/2 in.) from manufacturer’s specified height. Does not operate as intended.
I personally see different interpretations can be argued here, and my own personal take is, I still don't see anything in the MVA or CVSE manual that disallows vehicle ride height changes as long as the change is within 10cm, and no other MVA / CVSE inspection requirements are violated.
There are cars that stock, allow ride height adjustment (BMW M4 GTS comes to mind). If ride height adjustment was illegal, then those cars would have been illegal to begin with.
There are cars that stock, allow ride height adjustment (BMW M4 GTS comes to mind). If ride height adjustment was illegal, then those cars would have been illegal to begin with.
I agree. All the more reason why this is so ridiculous if changing ride heights (within the MVA-implied amount of 10cm or less) is illegal.
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I could only find the testing guideline for Burnaby but presumably it is fairly similar across the board.
Note the bolded part - so the guy with the decibel reader shoved up his tailpipe as the grounds for his box 1 VI, tough...
Quote:
City of Burnaby Noise or Sound Abatement Bylaw 1979
11. No person shall operate on a highway a motorcycle alone or with or near another motorcycle or motorcycles,
(a) which makes or causes noise or sound the noise or sound level of which exceeds 80 dBA's in a fifty (50) kilometres per hour zone and 85 dBA's in an over fifty (50) kilometres per hour zone;
(b) which after the 1st day of December, 1981 makes or causes noise or sound the noise or sound level of which exceeds 75 dBA's in fifty (50) kilometres per hour zone and 80 dBA's in an over fifty (50) kilometres per hour zone.
12. The noise or sound emanating from a motor vehicle or a motorcycle shall be measured at a distance of not less than six (6) metres from the motor vehicle exhaust pipe opening or from the motorcycle.
17. The Inspector and a Peace Officer are hereby authorized to measure noise or sound levels.
18. The Inspector or a Peace Office shall measure noise and sound levels with a Sound Level Meter. Noise and sound levels shall be measured on the A-weighting network and the slow meter response. The Sound Level Meter shall be complete with calibrator and wind screen and shall be operated in the manner as set out in Schedule “A”.
SCHEDULE A
(1) All sound levels shall be determined with a sound level meter on the “A” scale and “slow” meter reading.
(2) Sound level meters shall be used and operated in accordance with manufacturers' instructions. The sound level meter shall be calibrated before and after readings have been taken.
(3) When determining the sound level from a source the ambient or background noise or sound level shall be established at the appropriate position and during the relevant period of time wherever possible before taking sound measurements from the source. No measurement should be attempted if the difference is 3 db or less.
(4) Noise or sound measurement should, in general, be made at a height of approximately one (1) metre and a distance of three (3) metres from any wall, building, or other reflecting structure with the microphone appropriately oriented.
(5) Precautions shall be taken to ensure that the values recorded correspond to the noise or sound being investigated and are not due to wind, or extraneous sources.
(6) When the wind velocity is above eight (8) kilometres per hour, a wind screen must be used. No test should be attempted when the wind velocity is above forty (40) kilometres per hour.
can anyone find the mva clause where it says decibel testing is 3 feet away from the exhaust etc?
There is nothing in the MVA that I can find regarding the exhaust noise measuring procedures.
In the CVSE inspection manual, the only thing regarding exhaust noise that I can find so far is the following:
Quote:
noise emissions
- confirm noise level with decibel meter for anyvehicle with non-OEM, modified or alteredexhaust system
excessive
The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engineand exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether noise level is excessive. Must be comparable to OEM and confirmed with decibel meter. – is equipped with any noise enhancing device
I have not been able to find any measuring procedures (yet?). But if I come across it, I'll report back.
Thinking aloud here. Considering what has been transcribed as Cain saying he will be paying a visit to the shop that's "passing cars illegally"; the VPD isn't the one administering the licenses, the shop gets its license from the CVSE? The shop can theoretically just tell him to GTFO and stop harrassing/hindering his business.
If Cain is harrassing a shop and "trying to get their license revoked". The shop itself can file a complaint?
ICBC hands out the licenses to shops. Cain is just using intimidation tactics when he says he will go to shops and take their licenses, it's completely out of his jurisdiction to do so and the absolute most he could do is compel ICBC to send an inspector to the shop to see if they are complying with the guidelines to be a licensed inspection facility and that the people doing the inspections are licensed inspectors. He's basically full of shit.
Also, for the dB reading... it's pretty clear in the MVA that a reading is only binding if it's done in a designated testing facility and at that facility it reads over 83 dB (for light duty). It's not valid to test outside with so much ambient noise from traffic and other sources modifying the readings:
"A motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler which complies with
section 7.03 of the regulations.
The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than
that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston
displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled
with excessive noise. When tested in an inspection station, the vehicle engine, any auxiliary engine and
exhaust level shall not exceed Table 3 standards."
Also it pops up here specifically from VPD's own Brian Montague in a 2015 article:
"Police can issue a ticket if, based on their experience, they believe the driver is making too much noise. If the officer has any doubt or the driver argues the noise level is acceptable, the officer can direct the driver to a vehicle-testing site, Montague said."
And, if you do get a ticket for too loud exhaust from Cain... this is for motorcycles and it's 91 dB... but the logic is identical for a car:
"Brown said a motorcyclist could challenge a ticket based on objective, decibel-meter evidence anyway, because of a clause in the Motor Vehicle Act that says the 91-decibel limit is applied to an engine or exhaust “when tested in an inspection station.”"
That all said, it appears that the City of Vancouver is the ONLY municipality locally that doesn't get specific on sound levels and how they are measured. Annoying.
He would be the type of cop without any logical discretion and would pull you over if you go 1kmph over the speed limit.
More like he pulls you over for doing 45 in a 50 zone and hands you a non-disputable speeding ticket because he heard your car speeding, because he can.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traum
I agree. All the more reason why this is so ridiculous if changing ride heights (within the MVA-implied amount of 10cm or less) is illegal.
There are two problems here, the MVA being severely outdated being one of them. Please also keep in mind that the CVSE manual is what an inspector uses during an inspection, and in no way covers everything in the MVA. A vehicle inspection following the entire MVA can bankrupt an individual who may be innocent in the first place.
I have personally witnessed an officer training a junior officer in a traffic stop on how to quickly determine whether an aftermarket exhaust is illegal, much like in the video posted a few pages earlier, yet many cars have been equipped with straight through mufflers from the factory since the early 2000s...
Not sure if this is very relevant to us or not, but Perrin got back to me with their sound tests with their LOUDEST exhaust that they make for the 86 platform, and this is the data:
^don't forget weather affects the amount of noise coming out of the exhaust so assuming Perrin tested in a warmer setting, I can see how the road side test would read higher than what Perrin claims
^don't forget weather affects the amount of noise coming out of the exhaust so assuming Perrin tested in a warmer setting, I can see how the road side test would read higher than what Perrin claims
At the same time, I wasn't able to verify the distance and angle at which the testing was done.
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