PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by yray

such efficency, should put cain on the mail box thieves

Hush now, he has more important things to do... Like fuck with peoples' hobbies and passions.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

Who wants an RHD car? If it's going to slide like this and I basically can't drive west of Metrotown, I'm done having something unique.

are lots of RHD vehicles targeted? aside from the two Silvias asking for it

[snowball]

It's not sad at all that the VPD watching this thread for leads

[blackvette]

Sorry I'm late to the party. Been out of the country.
So from what I'm reading so far is the whole car scene is ruined by one vengeful cop right now?
Is this right?
What year is this? What have we come to? Should I even insure my cars?

[wstce92]

Someone this clearly insecure.
Someone who has exhibited, clearly, the extent of how fragile their ego is.
Someone who has proven how small-minded he is, how petty, how useless, how deluded, how completely lacking in ANY of the qualities that make a good cop.

Someone this big of an asshole.

Their asshole-ness is not one off. Car enthusiasts aren't the first and won't be the last people he's an asshole to.

I'd bet my left nut there's dirt on him, skeletons in his closet.

We need to keep on top of him.
We need to keep complaining.
We need to bring up any and all dirt that arises.
And we can't stop until we've brought to light enough of his shit to the attention of the VPD that he gets canned.

and hey Cain!
if you're reading this, PM me.
I wanna give you a head's up of what I'm going to make sure happens to you.

[Dbone]

Yes there's dirt on him. He helped cover up the homicide of Daniel Peter
Rintoulf

edit: To be fair, he doesn't seem to be a major player in this but he was named as a witness and went on medical leave instead of talking to the IIO.

[nexusxv]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

are lots of RHD vehicles targeted? aside from the two Silvias asking for it

From my observation only one JDM car was targeted unfairly. Does not look that he is prioritize RHD. But i slapped additional red reflectors to the sides (i have something in tail lights, but they do not overlap sides too much ). And i avoid Vancouver as much as i can, unless the work, that does not happen too often.

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by Dbone

Yes there's dirt on him. He helped cover up the homicide of Daniel Peter
Rintoulf

edit: To be fair, he doesn't seem to be a major player in this but he was named as a witness and went on medical leave instead of talking to the IIO.

Ya I read that too. Whole thing reaked of fishy "protect our own" type of bs.

[joonzn6]

Moment of truth. Will update by the end of today.

Godspeed lads, godspeed.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

Moment of truth. Will update by the end of today.

Godspeed lads, godspeed.

Thoughts and prayers.

Berz out.

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by Traum

The following are some of the points that I think might be of interest to the general RS community:

- I think Sgt Lee quite openly implied/acknowledged that the VPD is aware of the higher number of VI's that have been written up, esp by a certain officer that we all know about. They have spoken to the officer(s), and unsurprisingly, the officer(s) deny they were targeting a specific group of people. Instead, it is about safety, and the officer(s) back up their claims citing examples with more extreme modifications.

IMO, it is difficult to argue against that because that is more or less a model answer any typical police officer would have said. We all know what those more extreme examples might look like, and while the community knows innocent people and those with mild modifications undeserving of citations have been dragged into this, the more extreme examples continue to give the police legitimacy to keep doing what they have been doing. And without a willingness to speak up, we'd never be able to get out of this mess. (IMO, that most effective way is to file an official complaint with the police.)

- On the issue of the VPD officer sending vehicles to dealerships, Sgt Lee said to me that the ticketing officer(s) was claiming how he/they had previously come across situations where certain vehicle inspection facilities were doing a sloppy job in their inspections, passing cars that should not have been passed. Again, when the reasoning / model answer is presented like that, it is difficult to argue against it. Furthermore, the MVA specifically grants the ticketing officer the power to do this. (Section 7.08 of the MVA)

- Regarding my complaint on camber, Sgt Lee thinks there is very little he/VPD can do. He agreed that in the example I have presented using my own vehicle (where the manufacturer specs allows for rear camber up to 2.something°, meaning the camber will be obviously visible but is also non-adjustable), the current clause in the MVA doesn't sound right. But this issue is really more of a thing for the legislative arm of the provincial government to act on / respond to. This does not surprise me one bit because it is precisely what I had expected when I was drafting up my complaint. Sgt Lee mentioned that he will report back to his superior on how the MVA is unfair to some cars (such as mine). But without a larger volume of complaints, I don't expect any meaningful changes can occur.

- For my vehicle lowering complaint, Sgt Lee did not comment on the actual legal aspects of it, nor the (legal) accuracy of my accusations. I was disappointed about that, but again, it does not surprise me one bit. Instead, he suggested that I should contact CVSE to find out whether there are any clauses in the inspection manual that specifically allows/disallows vehicle lowering (within a 10cm height change). Another option he mentioned is to seek some legal advice from a lawyer that also happens to be an automotive enthusiast. Of course, that'd very quickly become cost-prohibitive, and I obviously cannot afford to do that.

- For VI, Sgt Lee acknowledge that currently there is no recourse for "wrongfully" given VI's, and that may seem unfair (esp when a finance cost will be incurred by the vehicle owner). At the same time, there are also no mechanisms in place to prevent the vehicle owner from receiving a VI with "illegal mods", changing back to stock, passing the VI, and claims that he has been wrongfully issued the citation. The only recommendation he can offer on this issue is for us to exercise our rights and speak up.

And on this note, because there is a real and tangible penalty imposed on the vehicle owner, the guilty-until-proven-innocent connotation and the lack of recourse for the wrongfully accused clearly violates the presumption of innocence that is our fundamental legal principle. In that sense, I think there is a strong argument that we can put forth. I plan on doing that in a separate complaint, but again, I won't be able to get to that any time soon. If others would like to come forward to take this on, or would like to include it as part of your complaint if you are already planning for one, I would very much encourage you to do so.

* * *

Going forward, Sgt Lee has indicated that if I want to, I can continue to pursue my complaint under service and policy complaints, and he will assist me in setting that up. Reading between the lines, however, I feel like this is VPD's subtle reminder that my complaint will be closed if I don't do anything soon. And with the way my questions / concerns are handled, I can't shake off the feeling that this initial step of the complaint process is really just a combined PR effort + screening process to cut down on the actual number of complaints the VPD has to process. From a business / PR management point of view, I am not at all surprised by it. But I am not going to be satisfied with a response like that.

The wheels of justice turn slowly, and it is aggravating that we have to go through and put up with all this when all I want to do is enjoy my car. But I will not relent -- at least, not at this point -- because the whole situation is still pissing me off.

Mad props to you sir

[s300ae]

VPD Most recent Procedure Manual

So are aftermarket parts considered "Defects"?

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by Dbone

Yes there's dirt on him. He helped cover up the homicide of Daniel Peter
Rintoulf

edit: To be fair, he doesn't seem to be a major player in this but he was named as a witness and went on medical leave instead of talking to the IIO.

The homicide of Rintoul?!
I remind you, this was the guy who walked into a Canadian Tire, stabbed a 53 year old employee, then took a rifle from the gun case. The 6'1", 380 lb assailant then took an 82 year old man and held him hostage. And what were the cops supposed to do about it? Tickle him until he gave up?

Geezus fuck man, give your head a shake.

[joonzn6]

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.

We did it boys, thank you all for the help. Will post proof later today. Expected costs for the inspection is ~$202. (holy fuck) PM me for email for donations if you would like to donate for the inspection. I'll stop accepting donations after I have the proper amount and I'd like to also give $20 for my own inspection too.

**Actually fuck it I passed first try, I'll pay my own fee, it only makes sense. Thanks all.**

[Dbone]

Originally Posted by originalhypa

The homicide of Rintoul?!
I remind you, this was the guy who walked into a Canadian Tire, stabbed a 53 year old employee, then took a rifle from the gun case. The 6'1", 380 lb assailant then took an 82 year old man and held him hostage. And what were the cops supposed to do about it? Tickle him until he gave up?

Geezus fuck man, give your head a shake.

Homicide just means killing, it may well have been lawful. It's just odd that all these guys decided they wouldn't co-operate with the IIO. Blue wall and all that.

Anyway, I don't mean to hi-jack the thread.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.


We did it boys, thank you all for the help. Will post proof later today. Expected costs for the inspection is ~$202. (holy fuck) PM me for email for donations if you would like to donate for the inspection. I'll stop accepting donations after I have the proper amount and I'd like to also give $20 for my own inspection too.

**Actually fuck it I passed first try, I'll pay my own fee, it only makes sense. Thanks all.**

On the inspection, did they note that the the db reading was for which exhaust.
Unfortunately, Cain has stated that people reverse modded their cars and changed the parts after passing the inspection.

Again, congrats on passing the inspection as is.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by originalhypa

The homicide of Rintoul?!
I remind you, this was the guy who walked into a Canadian Tire, stabbed a 53 year old employee, then took a rifle from the gun case. The 6'1", 380 lb assailant then took an 82 year old man and held him hostage. And what were the cops supposed to do about it? Tickle him until he gave up?

Geezus fuck man, give your head a shake.

We know the tazer would kill him too. Tickle him it is.

[snowball]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.

They said it was just barely under the limit for the dB limit for the MVA, apparently.

We did it boys, thank you all for the help. Will post proof later today. Expected costs for the inspection is ~$202. (holy fuck) PM me for email for donations if you would like to donate for the inspection. I'll stop accepting donations after I have the proper amount and I'd like to also give $20 for my own inspection too.

**Actually fuck it I passed first try, I'll pay my own fee, it only makes sense. Thanks all.**

Congrats! Any mention about how the test was done?

In before VPD shuts down that dealership for passing your "illegal" car.

[yourself]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.

They said it was just barely under the limit for the dB limit for the MVA, apparently.

We did it boys, thank you all for the help. Will post proof later today. Expected costs for the inspection is ~$202. (holy fuck) PM me for email for donations if you would like to donate for the inspection. I'll stop accepting donations after I have the proper amount and I'd like to also give $20 for my own inspection too.

**Actually fuck it I passed first try, I'll pay my own fee, it only makes sense. Thanks all.**

You left the exhaust on, correct?

[joonzn6]

Originally Posted by yourself

You left the exhaust on, correct?

That is correct. The car was left as-is.

Originally Posted by snowball

Congrats! Any mention about how the test was done?

In before VPD shuts down that dealership for passing your "illegal" car.

I'll make sure to ask as soon as I pick up my car later today.

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

On the inspection, did they note that the the db reading was for which exhaust.
Unfortunately, Cain has stated that people reverse modded their cars and changed the parts after passing the inspection.

Again, congrats on passing the inspection s isa.

Thanks, I'll make sure to check with them when I pick it up later today.

[joonzn6]

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[jpark]

whip out the popcorn, its about to get real lol

[SkunkWorks]

So what's next? Small claims? Official complaint?

If Cain's reasoning for casting out the wide net of VI's is justified by the few cars that deserved it, then we can equally claim his VI's are unsubstantiated given this passed inspection.

And just as a personal side note, I find all this such a huge waste of resources given I *still* see drivers on their phones or cars without any lights on daily.

[bcedhk]

Originally Posted by SkunkWorks

So what's next? Small claims? Official complaint?

If Cain's reasoning for casting out the wide net of VI's is justified by the few cars that deserved it, then we can equally claim his VI's are unsubstantiated given this passed inspection.

And just as a personal side note, I find all this such a huge waste of resources given I *still* see drivers on their phones or cars without any lights on daily.

I also share your view that it is a huge waste of resource and I think Joonz case proofs that Cain needs to get a smack in the back of the head from his higher up to get him to focus on actual issues like people running reds, speeding, not having lights on, etc...

His focus on VIing cars, especially those with minor mods are out of proportion to the amount of time he needs to spend on issues that actually create dangers to other motorists and pedestrians.... he can probably pull over 2-3 drivers for distracted driving and generate 5x the revenue in fines then to spend 20+ minute on his knees to record muffler sounds and looking in engine bays.

I’m warming up my popcorn too.

[twitchyzero]

how much passing as-is translating to real change, i ave my doubts

you often do you hear the officers say 'how would i know, i'm not the expert, that's why we're sending you to the shop'

they'll be off the hook for VI'ing a stock-ish car, i can almost guarantee it