PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[Traum]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

how much passing as-is translating to real change, i ave my doubts

you often do you hear the officers say 'how would i know, i'm not the expert, that's why we're sending you to the shop'

I have my doubts as well, but we won't know until we try pushing back. The more valid complains we generate, the more pressure there is for the VPD to drop this BS and re-direct their time and attention to things that are more worthy of their time.

(And hopefully if there are enough complains on Cain, he will receive some sort of reprimand as well.)

[yourself]

The real crime here is that a woman most likely has had to look at Cain’s micro peen after sitting in a sweaty grey F150 all day.

[SkunkWorks]

Originally Posted by yourself

The real crime here is that a woman most likely has had to look at Cain’s micro peen after sitting in a sweaty grey F150 all day.

Let's leave the personal insults and trash talking out of here.

We've a legitimate complaint so the juvinile antics only serve to sully our own case.

[white rocket]

Originally Posted by yourself

Just a reminder, a car with a Demonstration plate cannot receive a VI Notice.

Any source info for this? Not doubting it but more questioning why a D-Plated/non-insured but dealer registered vehicle would all of a sudden become exempt from a VI even if it does not comply with the laws. Those that know me know how I roll and I'd be down to test this theory with valid info from ICBC/CVSE/etc.

Originally Posted by joonzn6

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.

Outstanding!!!

I can only hope this evidence leads us in the proper direction with someone, anyone, at the VPD. I believe we will need more of these in order to actually make waves though but this is an excellent start. It is an unbelievably steep uphill battle for modded car enthusiasts and without the assistance from the general public we are a small group. With Cain and Co. being extremely vigilant with their claims we all know it will be an epic fight to get anything on him legitimately. I heard of him and his cronies recently visiting a known shop in Burnaby with what was described as a "We have our eye on you" thuggish-type threat implying that vehicles were being passed when they shouldn't have. Sheesh, what a crime fighter.

I still fail to see how him and his teams actions are actually helping improve the safety of the general public with their tactics. Like many have said, distracted driving and other similar infractions FAR out-weigh the chances of a modded car creating an injury due to an accident specifically due to the illegal mods failing and causing such an occurrence. I'd wager to say that most incidents that involve a modded vehicle would be the fault of the driver and not the potential illegal modifications it has.

[VR6GTI]

Id be taking my car right down to the VPD with everything in hand and asking them for money. Obviously you wont get any but still you should start eating up VPD resources since they don't seem to mind wasting yours.

[RevYouUp]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

how much passing as-is translating to real change, i ave my doubts

you often do you hear the officers say 'how would i know, i'm not the expert, that's why we're sending you to the shop'

they'll be off the hook for VI'ing a stock-ish car, i can almost guarantee it

This Cain guy is obviously an expert, since hes training other VPD officers on the matter.

This case already proves how unqualified Cain is to issue legitimate VIs.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

This Cain guy is obviously an expert, since hes training other VPD officers on the matter.

This case already proves how unqualified Cain is to issue legitimate VIs.

Just playing Devil's advocate here but Cain isn't wrong.
Joon's car did have an aftermarket exhaust and makes it a legitimate reason to pull him over.

The roadside test was over the limit hence the box 2.

That's all he has to say to his boss to justify what he did.

[tokyoteleport]

lol according to their own procedures manual,giving someone a box 2 for a exhaust modification is a deficiency that is severe enough for a complete inspection????

Loud exhaust should be a minor defect that does not effect safe operation of the vehicle.

Unless what I understand is that worn tires are not as important as an aftermarket exhaust.......? As that only justifies a Box 3?

[BrokenEuro]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

Just playing Devil's advocate here but Cain isn't wrong.
Joon's car did have an aftermarket exhaust and makes it a legitimate reason to pull him over.

The roadside test was over the limit hence the box 2.

That's all he has to say to his boss to justify what he did.

Unfortunately I am going to have to agree with this: Cain can simply state it was "loud by ear" and he wanted to issue a VI to get it confirmed by a test facility.

You could argue that law enforcement resources could be better used elsewhere, but the argument likely won't be strong enough to pose more than a slap on the wrist for Cain.

[yray]

Originally Posted by BrokenEuro

Unfortunately I am going to have to agree with this: Cain can simply state it was "loud by ear" (which as stated by the test result, was "just under the dB limit") and he wanted to issue a VI to get it confirmed by a test facility.

you can then argue his hearing is messed up from driving in a cop car and shooting guns in his line of work

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by BrokenEuro

Unfortunately I am going to have to agree with this: Cain can simply state it was "loud by ear" (which as stated by the test result, was "just under the dB limit") and he wanted to issue a VI to get it confirmed by a test facility.

You could argue that law enforcement resources could be better used elsewhere, but the argument likely won't be strong enough to pose more than a slap on the wrist for Cain.

Which goes back to how GT3RS only got a warning.
Speaking of which, it's nice to see him contributing here. Oh wait...

[320icar]

This entire thread and whole situation

[Raid3n]

i'm going to see if i can pull a screenshot from my dashcam, ran into a work truck this morning that was missing the left hand tail light assembly entirely... and our cars are unsafe?

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by tokyoteleport

lol according to their own procedures manual,giving someone a box 2 for a exhaust modification is a deficiency that is severe enough for a complete inspection????

Loud exhaust should be a minor defect that does not effect safe operation of the vehicle.

Unless what I understand is that worn tires are not as important as an aftermarket exhaust.......? As that only justifies a Box 3?

It says bald tires on a dry day. I would assume if the car was pulled over on a rainy day it may be a box 2 or even a box 1 if the cords were showing.

I agree though, a loud exhaust is worthy of a box 2?

[s300ae]

I would like to also point out the procedural change in #6 from the 2005 version to the 2018 version.
2005 version basically said if you do Nothing about your Notice the officer does nothing and it's only when you renew your insurance that you need a pass in order to register it. Now you get a fine.

[MarkyMark]

It can't hurt to have a few legitimate complaints against a certain officer. If Cain still wants to go around giving borderline VIs after that is up to him.

[jing]

Drove behind a modded black Lexus 2GS and a modded blue R32 GTR on my way down Kingsway from Main. Had my fingers crossed for them that Cain wasn't in the area.

[ursher]

Well I traded in my Accord (lowered, rims, exhausts 4inch, lights). Live in Vancouver and don't want the trouble and be out $$$.

Nice to have that stress gone now and not be afraid to drive around in Vancouver.

[smaggs]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

Just playing Devil's advocate here but Cain isn't wrong.
Joon's car did have an aftermarket exhaust and makes it a legitimate reason to pull him over.

The roadside test was over the limit hence the box 2.

That's all he has to say to his boss to justify what he did.

True. From what i understand, if the officer even has suspicion that it might be violating the MVA then that's enough to issue a VI...just because this one vehicle passed as is, it doesn't give us a break-through in our argument.
HOWEVER, if a trend starts where more and more cars start passing as-is, THEN we have an argument that officers need to be better educated on when to issue a VI. I think people that feel they're within the MVA should continue to have their cars inspected as-is, rather than returning back to OEM parts which is what is being requested and is not a requirement under the MVA (to best of my knowledge).


I've said it before too, but if a case can be put together that all this noise is impacting local businesses ('tuner' shops losing business) then that is something that more of the general public can relate to and sympathize. That kind of impact might not be noticeable today but if this keeps up, i could see it having a pretty decent impact on those kinds of businesses as people stop modifying their cars.

[yourself]

Originally Posted by white rocket

Any source info for this? Not doubting it but more questioning why a D-Plated/non-insured but dealer registered vehicle would all of a sudden become exempt from a VI even if it does not comply with the laws. Those that know me know how I roll and I'd be down to test this theory with valid info from ICBC/CVSE/etc.



Outstanding!!!

I can only hope this evidence leads us in the proper direction with someone, anyone, at the VPD. I believe we will need more of these in order to actually make waves though but this is an excellent start. It is an unbelievably steep uphill battle for modded car enthusiasts and without the assistance from the general public we are a small group. With Cain and Co. being extremely vigilant with their claims we all know it will be an epic fight to get anything on him legitimately. I heard of him and his cronies recently visiting a known shop in Burnaby with what was described as a "We have our eye on you" thuggish-type threat implying that vehicles were being passed when they shouldn't have. Sheesh, what a crime fighter.

I still fail to see how him and his teams actions are actually helping improve the safety of the general public with their tactics. Like many have said, distracted driving and other similar infractions FAR out-weigh the chances of a modded car creating an injury due to an accident specifically due to the illegal mods failing and causing such an occurrence. I'd wager to say that most incidents that involve a modded vehicle would be the fault of the driver and not the potential illegal modifications it has.

Right on CVSE
CVSE - VIP eForm System - Known Issues

[mb_]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

It says bald tires on a dry day. I would assume if the car was pulled over on a rainy day it may be a box 2 or even a box 1 if the cords were showing.

I agree though, a loud exhaust is worthy of a box 2?

I know of a 350z (or a 370z?) years ago that got a box 1 for driving on R-Comps on a rainy day

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

CAR PASSED. I REPEAT, CAR PASSED INSPECTION AS-IS.

We did it boys, thank you all for the help. Will post proof later today. Expected costs for the inspection is ~$202. (holy fuck) PM me for email for donations if you would like to donate for the inspection. I'll stop accepting donations after I have the proper amount and I'd like to also give $20 for my own inspection too.

**Actually fuck it I passed first try, I'll pay my own fee, it only makes sense. Thanks all.**

Congrats on passing! We all knew you would. Please file a formal complaint against VPD and make as much noise as possible... With the MLA, Mayor, VPD, etc. Perhaps even @BIC_BAWS can guide you in the right direction with the media since we have a legitimate case on our hands.

[joonzn6]

PROOF I PASSED. TEST WAS CONDUCTED AS FOLLOWS:

1 METRE AWAY FROM TIP OF EXHAUST AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.
IDLE, 2000 RPM, 3500 RPM AND 4500 RPM ARE TESTED.

THEY ONLY STATED THAT THE EXHAUST CURRENTLY ON THE CAR IS THE ONE ON PAPER BUT HAVE SAID THAT THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM SHOWING THIS PAPER TO THE POLICE AS PROOF.

IMGUR LINK:

https://imgur.com/a/mKZUEmw

(also it was $250, I literally just got robbed by a gangster in a police uniform.)

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by smaggs

True. From what i understand, if the officer even has suspicion that it might be violating the MVA then that's enough to issue a VI...just because this one vehicle passed as is, it doesn't give us a break-through in our argument.
HOWEVER, if a trend starts where more and more cars start passing as-is, THEN we have an argument that officers need to be better educated on when to issue a VI. I think people that feel they're within the MVA should continue to have their cars inspected as-is, rather than returning back to OEM parts which is what is being requested and is not a requirement under the MVA (to best of my knowledge)..

That's the problem in my opinion. Ya sure you have a suspicion, so because of your suspicion WE are the ones that get penalized?

In my opinion, if all they have to go on are suspicions and opinions on a vehicle then a notice should be issued to have the vehicle inspected within a certain amount of days, and if the car passes then you don't pay the ticket and if it fails you pay. Innocent until proven guilty.

Or, make it ONLY possible for a CVSE officer to issue VI's. If they've got coveralls on and a clipboard with an inspection paper on it.. Power to em. Every time I've gotten checked by DOT driving truck they know exactly what the minimums and requirements are and issue a ticket in accordance with that. Fine by me.

[dvst8]

Originally Posted by joonzn6

PROOF I PASSED. TEST WAS CONDUCTED AS FOLLOWS:

1 METRE AWAY FROM TIP OF EXHAUST AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.
IDLE, 2000 RPM, 3500 RPM AND 4500 RPM ARE TESTED.

THEY ONLY STATED THAT THE EXHAUST CURRENTLY ON THE CAR IS THE ONE ON PAPER BUT HAVE SAID THAT THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM SHOWING THIS PAPER TO THE POLICE AS PROOF.

IMGUR LINK:

https://imgur.com/a/CGSKaU4

(also it was $250, I literally just got robbed by a gangster in a police uniform.)

I hope the VPD/RCMP will see this and come to their senses that they're approaching this VI thing the wrong way.