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01-18-2019, 08:12 PM
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Probably don't include your inspectors name as he's innocent. You never know what the VPD will do to him for passing you. I'm just afraid of the potential can of worms you are opening up by posting the information for potential scrutiny by prying eyes. Maybe not on a public forum.
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01-18-2019, 08:14 PM
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#1902 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by originalhypa  The homicide of Rintoul?!
I remind you, this was the guy who walked into a Canadian Tire, stabbed a 53 year old employee, then took a rifle from the gun case. The 6'1", 380 lb assailant then took an 82 year old man and held him hostage. And what were the cops supposed to do about it? Tickle him until he gave up?
Geezus fuck man, give your head a shake. | Probably true that they did the right thing in the end. However, this statement basically reveals how much this officer believes in accountability or the law: Quote:
Constables Green, Plummer, and Cain were initially designated as subject officers, and are required to meet with the IIO for re-designation as witness officers.
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01-18-2019, 08:23 PM
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#1903 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by dvst8 I hope the VPD/RCMP will see this and come to their senses that they're approaching this VI thing the wrong way. Both parties, put your egos aside and lets really discuss this. | Maybe Cain is reading this. Maybe Cain is replying in this very thread.
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01-18-2019, 08:38 PM
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#1904 | | NOOB, Not Quite a Regular!
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Originally Posted by snowball Probably don't include your inspectors name as he's innocent. You never know what the VPD will do to him for passing you. I'm just afraid of the potential can of worms you are opening up by posting the information for potential scrutiny by prying eyes. Maybe not on a public forum. | You're right. I'll remake the album with the individual's name blocked.
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01-18-2019, 08:42 PM
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#1905 | | NOOB, Not Quite a Regular!
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Originally Posted by welfare Maybe Cain is reading this. Maybe Cain is replying in this very thread. | Fuck, I've been had. I would've gotten away with this if it weren't for you street racing kids...
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01-18-2019, 08:51 PM
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#1906 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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so one car passed
safe to assume 98% of the violations in the blitz are still valid
if you have a car sound/look as stock as joozn6 with VI, post it up
aside from that, only real complaint to be made is against their professionalism, so let's starting seeing those dash cam vids of them acting unprofessional/misconduct
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01-18-2019, 10:13 PM
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#1907 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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I think vpd should be tagged on Twitter and fb with the passing inspection pics #cain #Christensen #antiboxoneclub
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01-19-2019, 12:26 AM
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#1908 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams I think vpd should be tagged on Twitter and fb with the passing inspection pics #cain #Christensen #antiboxoneclub | Tag DailyHive and as many media outlet as possible.
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01-19-2019, 12:51 AM
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#1909 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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I'm curious what would happen if I got a VI on a temporary permit. I have a MR2T that I've driven maybe less than 10 times in the past 8 years. If I get a VI in it, can I just keep getting day permits here and there? Or should I just say fuck it and stash it in the garage for the next 20 years?
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01-19-2019, 01:06 AM
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#1910 | | Orgasm Donor & Alatar owned my ass twice!
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Joonzn6,
First of all, congrats on passing as is. Obviously this provides a strong case for yourself as well as the community to move forward.
With the VI out of the way, I hope you would proceed with some subsequent steps to push back against the VI spree. Two of the most obvious routes that I can see are:
1) file for an official complaint
2) file for a small claims suit to recoup your losses
IMO, #2 would create a bigger impact, with the major benefit being that it can strengthen your case for #1 as well as your credibility in pushing ahead with #1. But filing for small claims is almost certainly a PITA, even when the system has now been revised to go through the Civil Resolution Tribunal (CRT) for claims that are under $5k. It'll also cost you a bit of money ($75 for claim amounts under $3k, more if the amount you seek is between $3k - 5k). You can sue for recouping the inspection fee ($250), the money from your time loss / wage loss as a result of needing to attend to the VI, the small claims filing fee, and perhaps something else I have not thought of.
(If for some reason, you find enough things to sue for that amounts to over $5k, you'd really have to take that to small claims court instead of just the CRT. And then it get more complicated and troublesome, and I kind of would not recommend you to do that.)
If you decide to proceed with filing a small claims suit, I think it would be important to establish proof that the inspected vehicle was in the identical condition as the time when the officer VI-ed you. The most effective way to establish this is to obtain a written statement of some sort from the Toyota tech / inspector. It probably wouldn't need too much -- just the brand/model of the exhaust that was on the car during inspection would be enough since that is the only item cited on your VI.
If you have plans to proceed with filing a complaint with the VPD PSS and/or OPCC, I think a good approach would be to focus on the officer's lack of training, lack of knowledge, and lack of experience in regards to the MVA since he has obviously failed to deliver on all 3 aspects when your car passed the VI as is. If you can establish the officer is unqualified to fulfill at least this aspect of his policing duties, I think that would be a win.
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Originally Posted by joonzn6 PROOF I PASSED. TEST WAS CONDUCTED AS FOLLOWS:
1 METRE AWAY FROM TIP OF EXHAUST AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.
IDLE, 2000 RPM, 3500 RPM AND 4500 RPM ARE TESTED.
THEY ONLY STATED THAT THE EXHAUST CURRENTLY ON THE CAR IS THE ONE ON PAPER BUT HAVE SAID THAT THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM SHOWING THIS PAPER TO THE POLICE AS PROOF.
IMGUR LINK: https://imgur.com/a/mKZUEmw
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01-19-2019, 01:17 AM
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#1911 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
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I'm backing you up all the way on this! As everyone has already said, I urge everyone and ANYONE who got VI'd and inspected EXACTLY the way the vehicle was VI'd for and with a pass (of course) to come forward and unite to take this incompetent cop down. We have a strong case here and we need ALL the help we can get to make some noise.
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01-19-2019, 01:48 AM
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#1912 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero so one car passed
safe to assume 98% of the violations in the blitz are still valid
if you have a car sound/look as stock as joozn6 with VI, post it up
aside from that, only real complaint to be made is against their professionalism, so let's starting seeing those dash cam vids of them acting unprofessional/misconduct | 50+% of the cars on the road would probably fail a VI. Guilty! Are these drivers being harassed?
90+% of drivers drive 1 km/h or more over the speed limit. Guilty! Are these drivers being harassed?
I think the point is not that laws are being broken, but citizens are being harassed for... what exactly?
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01-19-2019, 02:26 AM
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Yah I totally don't get the naysayers in this thread or the ones that side with the police... why are you even on a modified car forum if you have no interest in preserving your right to express yourself with your car (within reason)? Maybe you should stick to the VLS side of this site if that's the case.
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01-19-2019, 02:30 AM
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dam $250 for inspection
i think private shops usually charge around $100.. isn't it a bit of a problem if police can force you to take your car to a place with a higher cost?
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01-19-2019, 07:42 AM
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It’s usually $140-170 at an indy
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01-19-2019, 08:20 AM
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#1916 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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Originally Posted by snowball 50+% of the cars on the road would probably fail a VI. Guilty! Are these drivers being harassed?
90+% of drivers drive 1 km/h or more over the speed limit. Guilty! Are these drivers being harassed?
I think the point is not that laws are being broken, but citizens are being harassed for... what exactly? | what grounds do you have to dispute if you were 56km in a 50kmh in a speed zone?
almost none
like i said, you can file for possible misconduct/harrassment if you feel the officers didin't go about it in the right way, but not for the validity of violation
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01-19-2019, 08:29 AM
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#1917 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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01-19-2019, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 68style It’s usually $140-170 at an indy | Independent shops are illegal and immoral under this current situation apparently.
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01-19-2019, 10:16 AM
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#1919 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by snowball Probably true that they did the right thing in the end. However, this statement basically reveals how much this officer believes in accountability or the law: Quote:
Constables Green, Plummer, and Cain were initially designated as subject officers, and are required to meet with the IIO for re-designation as witness officers.
However, this process has not been formally completed due to their refusal to attend interviews.
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This was totally unfair to the officers
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01-19-2019, 10:16 AM
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You all are cheering for 1 car that passed out of how many notices this guy has given, hoping that the 1 car that was legit is going to help everyone else who isn't legit out? Truth of the matter is he is giving these notices with just cause based on the MVA. We all mod our cars knowing that we are violating it, but fuck it "Car is Life"
He's using a tool that we were lucky enough to have avoided for a long time. I've only ever been issued 1 VI and it was a Box 1 in my EF that would scrape over man hole covers. I played the game and I lost my car. There was no way it was ever going to pass inspection with any reasonable amount of work so we just went and stripped it in the tow yard and left it there.
Point is, we have escaped this kind of scrutiny for a long time, and while Cain might be the guy enforcing the VI rules, he's not really "wrong" so far is he? GOING BY THE MVA only 1 car so far (maybe two if you count the Abarth) has been wrongfully given a notice. It fucking sucks that we have this guy on a rampage and Joonz should absolutely seek compensation for the VI but everyone else that got the VI and failed, what can you really say?
Berz out.
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01-19-2019, 10:49 AM
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But does it actually say according to the MVA that lowering isn't allowed at all?
What about slight camber that's still within oem specs?
Or exhausts that aren't obnoxious ebay fart cans?
Only 1 of us so far has been confident enough to send their car in for inspection as is.
But maybe this might inspire those who feel they are in the right to go for it in the future so we can build a case.
Maybe some people really do deserve it because they smoked their tail lights or something, but that's on them. But not everyone in here is driving around cars that scrape over man hole covers. These kind of people are the ones ruining it for the rest of us.
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01-19-2019, 11:42 AM
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A person passing a VI without changing anything is a completely legitimate outcome as far as the current system is concerned, nobody in charge of anything is going to be surprised if they hear that. Having that happen doesn't make a "strong case" for jack shit, unless *maybe* you're able to start doing that with large numbers of vehicles, but that hasn't been the case thus far. From the sounds of it complaints may be valid regarding professionalism, but not about the actual VIs. Quote:
Originally Posted by Berzerker It fucking sucks that we have this guy on a rampage and Joonz should absolutely seek compensation for the VI but everyone else that got the VI and failed, what can you really say? | I doubt that would get very far since passing is supposed to be a normal option. Same deal with an OOP on a vehicle >2 years old, my dads car passed no problem but you've still got to pay for the shops time. Quote:
Originally Posted by AzNightmare Only 1 of us so far has been confident enough to send their car in for inspection as is. | Nearly 4 months and only 1 of those says a heck of a lot.
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01-19-2019, 01:04 PM
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^^^. Well then fuck it right? Let’s all give up.
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01-19-2019, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 320icar ^^^. Well then fuck it right? Let’s all give up. | Well it's either that or avoid Vancouver. The way the system is setup for the VI process is fucked. Getting mad at Cain won't change that. You have to go after the "Law" not the enforcer. I sure wouldn't be cruising around downtown in my EK anymore. Hell thinking about driving there in my Element has me nervous.
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01-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#1925 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
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Originally Posted by Berzerker Well it's either that or avoid Vancouver. The way the system is setup for the VI process is fucked. Getting mad at Cain won't change that. You have to go after the "Law" not the enforcer. I sure wouldn't be cruising around downtown in my EK anymore. Hell thinking about driving there in my Element has me nervous.
Berz out. | It is the law, however the enforcer has a lot to do with it as well. Unless the department chief has ordered this blitz, the officer is not just only doing his job, but harassing the taxpaying citizens, and there are no repercussion for the officers involved. The way this officer is enforcing by the book without any sound judgement proves to us that he is incapable for his line of work and needs to be retrained or coached.
Sure continue this blitz for all they want, but at least introduce a system where the citizens affected can be reimbursed after a passed VI (wrongfully citied) or have a dispute process. It's only fair?
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