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Hondaracer · 09-21-2021, 04:31 PM

As I said earlier, 980 has some left leaning hosts, they’ve had political analysts on all day. Every single person has gone on to say what a waste of money this was.

These are literally people whose job it is to discuss and analyze these things.

The host right now broke down the costs as a yearly salary for 13,000 teachers or 5000 police officers.

Whether it’s my opinion or not, this is what is being said. It wasn’t a failed opportunity for the cons to get a minority, it was a failed grasp by the liberals to get a majority.

Manic! · 09-21-2021, 04:43 PM

people upset about spending 600 million. Kenny wasted 1.5 billion on Keystone XL a pipeline Biden said would never be built.

https://www.sprawlalberta.com/how-al...on-keystone-xl

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Alberta was ready to provide even more than $1.5B

When the UCP took office in Alberta in 2019, the Keystone XL expansion was stalled. Trump’s approval of the project was blocked by a U.S. federal judge in 2018 who ordered a new environmental review. Trump then issued a new presidential permit in 2019, expediting that process, which environmentalists decried as illegal.

This is when Kenney put Alberta’s money on the table.

In addition to the $1.5 billion investment, Alberta also announced it would provide loan guarantees worth $6 billion beginning in 2021—a particularly significant form of support given the amount of risk the province was taking on regarding those loans.

inv4zn · 09-21-2021, 04:53 PM

Feel free to argue, but isn't it only "wasteful" in hindsight, because very little has changed?

If liberals had gotten their majority, or the cons unseated the liberals, or the PPC wins a seat, nobody would have been calling this election wasteful.

And like others have said, such is the 'cost' for democracy. The system was set up like that, and it's worked as designed. Also like others have said, that money is staying in Canada to pay for locales and the thousands of people that worked the polls, it's not like 600M vanished into some offshore account.

Hondaracer · 09-21-2021, 05:07 PM

Well yea, that’s how gambling works. When you gamble X amount and lose, of course it ends up not being worth it… lol

mikemhg · 09-21-2021, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

As I said earlier, 980 has some left leaning hosts, they’ve had political analysts on all day. Every single person has gone on to say what a waste of money this was.

These are literally people whose job it is to discuss and analyze these things.

The host right now broke down the costs as a yearly salary for 13,000 teachers or 5000 police officers.

Whether it’s my opinion or not, this is what is being said. It wasn’t a failed opportunity for the cons to get a minority, it was a failed grasp by the liberals to get a majority.

Police officers and teachers are paid out of provincial budgets, not federal. So that's a moot point.

Besides as 68 said, anyone can sit on their soapbox and say "it was a waste of time", they're only saying that because nothing changed. The Cons and PC did not convince Canadians to see in their favor, plain and simple.

This wasn't some whatever election either.

We've never experienced anything like COVID before, the decisions made during this pandemic have been EXTREMELY polarizing and unprecedented. If anything, was a perfect time to hold an election in order to present a public referendum on how this government has handled the pandemic in itself, the decisions they've made whether good or bad, and to be held accountable for them.

Eff-1 · 09-21-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by inv4zn

Feel free to argue, but isn't it only "wasteful" in hindsight, because very little has changed?

I know exactly what you saying. But I still feel that we didn't NEED the election right now. And I'm not saying that because of how I feel about the results. I think our parliament, with a minority gov't, was functioning as designed to and so this wasn't at all necessary right now, especially during the pandemic. It wasn't like we had a non-confidence vote or anything like that, and things had ground to a halt.

SkinnyPupp · 09-21-2021, 06:59 PM

Nice time to appreciate CBC News

This might explain why so many people, even here, are saying stuff like "Trudeau purposefully did this to gain himself more seats". It's a talking point that gets repeated everywhere except very few places.

bcrdukes · 09-21-2021, 08:25 PM

[Toronto chiming in]Ironic how the Toronto Star endorses the Liberals but all their articles often blast the Liberals and often with a Conservative slant . Nevermind the fact that their colour scheme is blue as well haha

JD¹³ · 09-21-2021, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemhg

How in the fuck can anyone say this was a "wasteful" election?

Because as has been repeated all over the place: no one wanted it right now. JT needs to go but this was absolutely not the time to do it. JT promised he wouldn't call an election during the pandemic then thought he could secure more power and snapped it with as little notice as legally possible. The Liberals didn't even have a platform for the election they called until the cycle was half over. Voter turn out may be a historic low at only 58.5% (vice 67% in 2019) and there have been growing complaints of people unable to vote due to closed or inaccessible polling stations. Terrible timing and circumstance, no one wanted it, no one really cares about the result, and it accomplished nothing for anyone. That's a waste.

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Nice time to appreciate CBC News
This might explain why so many people, even here, are saying stuff like "Trudeau purposefully did this to gain himself more seats". It's a talking point that gets repeated everywhere except very few places.

You can't be serious with this. Appreciate what? CBC is the most blatantly Liberal-sucking network on TV and even they were saying this was a waste and a failed attempt to gain more power during the 10 mins I had it on over breakfast. The talking point gets repeated everywhere because it's true. Why would he call an election two years earlier than needed if not to try and take advantage of the situation and gain more seats? That's EXACTLY why he did it. He hypocritically called it in the midst of the fourth wave of the pandemic and during the fall of Afghanistan and subsequent humanitarian crisis, two exponentially more important problems to focus on instead of dissolving parliament so he could feed his own ego - and even the Liberal CBC has been ripping him for it. How convenient they're left off your graphic....

General comment: Shame JT broke his promise on electoral reform, we'd have a very different political landscape from 2015. The Liberals would have lost 5 of the last 6 elections to the Conservatives if done by proportional representation, including this one. Given voter turnout and loss of the popular vote again he won with only 18.6% of the eligible Canadian population voting Liberal. Not even 1/5 of the country, that's brutal 'support'. I feel like the NDP gets ripped off with the lack of representation as well. Our system is antiquated (though the US is far worse) and we've needed reform for a long time. The elections are always called before the polls even close in the west. 107 seats from BC-MB including YT-NU, and 231 from ON to the East Coast. At minimum seats need to be pulled from Atlantic Canada and Quebec and moved to BC/AB based on populous. For example: Quebec has 78 seats with a pop of 8.4X million (and a separatist federal party which is another topic), AB and BC combined have 9.3X million and only 76 seats in parliament. Atlantic Canada has a population of 2.4X million and is grossly over-represented in Parliament with 32 seats, AB has almost double the population with 4.3X million and only two more seats with 34. NT has approx 250,000 residents and one MP, by that math Atlantic Canada should only have 10 seats. I don't care where you're from or what your political affiliation is but we all have to see that that's not right. The Western provinces and Territories need more weight in Parliament.

twitchyzero · 09-21-2021, 09:55 PM

wasteful regardless of who would've won

any real reason why they had to force it within 35 days of calling it? there was one debate in english...this was the lowest turn-out since last recession

federal vs provincial: so if someone in your household is struggling hard financially you can blow money on unnecessary tasks like repainting the house in the slightly different hue just done maybe 20 months ago? it was for our home, it was spent internally.

should we put up a bunch of nice bus stops in the middle of 3 road again then demolish them few years later, rinse and repeat, because jawbs?

i take it elections canada work is temporary like census ones, not long term

we already paid dearly for the cost of democracy fighting fascists in world conflicts

sdubfid · 09-21-2021, 10:20 PM

What is the purpose of election signs?

Is there something that clicks in a persons head when they drive by 20 of the same sign on a corner?

Does a person interrupt their day and go to the polling station and say I saw this sign disturbing the landscape I’m voting for “x”.

SkinnyPupp · 09-21-2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JD¹³

Because as has been repeated all over the place: no one wanted it right now. JT needs to go but this was absolutely not the time to do it. JT promised he wouldn't call an election during the pandemic then thought he could secure more power and snapped it with as little notice as legally possible. The Liberals didn't even have a platform for the election they called until the cycle was half over. Voter turn out may be a historic low at only 58.5% (vice 67% in 2019) and there have been growing complaints of people unable to vote due to closed or inaccessible polling stations. Terrible timing and circumstance, no one wanted it, no one really cares about the result, and it accomplished nothing for anyone. That's a waste.

You can't be serious with this. Appreciate what? CBC is the most blatantly Liberal-sucking network on TV and even they were saying this was a waste and a failed attempt to gain more power during the 10 mins I had it on over breakfast. The talking point gets repeated everywhere because it's true. Why would he call an election two years earlier than needed if not to try and take advantage of the situation and gain more seats? That's EXACTLY why he did it. He hypocritically called it in the midst of the fourth wave of the pandemic and during the fall of Afghanistan and subsequent humanitarian crisis, two exponentially more important problems to focus on instead of dissolving parliament so he could feed his own ego - and even the Liberal CBC has been ripping him for it. How convenient they're left off your graphic....

General comment: Shame JT broke his promise on electoral reform, we'd have a very different political landscape from 2015. The Liberals would have lost 5 of the last 6 elections to the Conservatives if done by proportional representation, including this one. Given voter turnout and loss of the popular vote again he won with only 18.6% of the eligible Canadian population voting Liberal. Not even 1/5 of the country, that's brutal 'support'. I feel like the NDP gets ripped off with the lack of representation as well. Our system is antiquated (though the US is far worse) and we've needed reform for a long time. The elections are always called before the polls even close in the west. 107 seats from BC-MB including YT-NU, and 231 from ON to the East Coast. At minimum seats need to be pulled from Atlantic Canada and Quebec and moved to BC/AB based on populous. For example: Quebec has 78 seats with a pop of 8.4X million (and a separatist federal party which is another topic), AB and BC combined have 9.3X million and only 76 seats in parliament. Atlantic Canada has a population of 2.4X million and is grossly over-represented in Parliament with 32 seats, AB has almost double the population with 4.3X million and only two more seats with 34. NT has approx 250,000 residents and one MP, by that math Atlantic Canada should only have 10 seats. I don't care where you're from or what your political affiliation is but we all have to see that that's not right. The Western provinces and Territories need more weight in Parliament.

CBC is liberal (not Liberal) because it reflects the population, and Canada is very very liberal. Aside from the weirdos who live with the cows and oil and want to turn Canada into America Jr., even conservative (not Conservative) Canadians are quite liberal.

StylinRed · 09-22-2021, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JD¹³

How convenient they're left off your graphic....

Well I mean the graphic is for newspapers, it doesn't include television and radio nor magazines

westopher · 09-22-2021, 09:50 AM

“Trudope needs to be hanged for treason! Get him out of office! He’s taking our rights away for a made up pandemic!”
“NOOOOO you can’t hold a $600million election in the middle of a pandemic! Your putting lives at risk! Parliament was working just fine!”
- the same person

whitev70r · 09-22-2021, 10:09 AM

C'mon man, you lumping those who critique the Libs for spending $600M with the ultra right wing wackos who thinks Trudeau committed treason ... there are legit basis for the critique of calling an election for no reason or purpose. It's this kind of polar characterization that gets us closer to the US. C'mon westopher, you're better than that and you're more intelligent than that.

Look, one thing I do appreciate about Canadian politics is that for the most part, the moderate middle base (which I like to think of myself) has voted NDP, Cons, and Libs in various elections in the past. I'm not married to one political party or ideology. At this moment, I'm just sick of JT and would be willing to give yes ... even O'Toole a crack at it. Doesn't make me in the camp of those who thinks JT committed treason. But more of these posts and it does make me wonder if you are considering taking out a membership with Antifa group.

StylinRed · 09-22-2021, 10:11 AM

I've been seeing more n more cars with "fuck trudeau" bumper stickers on em

Normally only see em when I drive out towards abby etc, but I saw a couple in coquitlam this weekend

westopher · 09-22-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by whitev70r

C'mon man, you lumping those who critique the Libs for spending $600M with the ultra right wing wackos who thinks Trudeau committed treason ... there are legit basis for the critique of calling a reason for no purpose. It's this kind of polar characterization that gets us closer to the US. C'mon westopher, you're better than that and you're more intelligent than that.

Look, one thing I do appreciate about Canadian politics is that for the most part, the moderate middle base (which I like to think of myself) has voted NDP, Cons, and Libs in various elections in the past. I'm not married to one political party or ideology. At this moment, I'm just sick of JT and would be willing to give yes ... even O'Toole a crack at it. Doesn't make me in the camp of those who thinks JT committed treason. But more of these posts and it does make me wonder if you are considering taking out a membership with Antifa group.

I’m not lumping everyone in that category by any means, but it’s a fact that those two sentences have come out of the same (multiple) peoples mouths during all this.

I don’t even close to believe that everyone criticizing the election cost feels that way, but it has been a sentiment and it’s beyond fucking stupid. Maybe I just keep morons on my FB for too long for my own good.
I’m not lumping everyone who criticized the cost of the election into that category, but I am lumping everyone that said this into the category of a fucking idiot.
People have been demanding to get Trudeau out of office so what is the alternative to an election? A “kudateh” like they had in Alberta against the NDP?

whitev70r · 09-22-2021, 10:17 AM

Get better FB friends bro ... or better yet, unfriend those clowns.

westopher · 09-22-2021, 10:25 AM

Lol I should but there’s the part of me that doesn’t want to make people feel bad combined with the sick bastard that likes to watch the online train wreck from time to time.

Tapioca · 09-22-2021, 10:41 AM

Here's another good Twitter thread on why the Conservatives had challenges in urban ridings this election as a result of certain policy positions:

https://twitter.com/KLalh/status/144...459076617?s=19

JD¹³ · 09-22-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

Well I mean the graphic is for newspapers, it doesn't include television and radio nor magazines

It was a tongue and cheek comment but that's fair. People still read newspapers?

To add to the numbers on the election I posted above, get this: The BQ with 7.8% of the popular vote in this election got 34 seats, that's 10% of the house, with only 4.5% of the eligible Canadian population voting for them. The NDP, y'know an actual federal party, got 17% of the popular vote translating to 10% of eligible voters. They had double the national support and get 9 less seats. What a joke.

whitev70r · 09-22-2021, 12:28 PM

Here is the rest of the breakdown

In the states, it's electoral college. In Canada, it's seats in the house. That's the name of the game. It is what it is. No party who won on this system will be stupid enough to change it to percentage representation ... even though our present PM promised electoral reform.

unit · 09-22-2021, 01:05 PM

lets face it, only the losers want electoral reform. that's just how it works, nobody wants their party who is in power to switch to electoral reform and give up power.
when the cons are in power, liberals want ER, when the liberals are in power, the cons are like WTF i love ER now

whitev70r · 09-22-2021, 01:08 PM

I remember BC trying electoral reform, polled thousands of people, tried to be non-partisan, the committee came up with a really confusing complex plan that you need a PhD to understand ... and then it was voted down.

westopher · 09-22-2021, 01:11 PM

A lot of people, and media have blamed vote splitting with the ppc for the cons loss. If you want to get down to it, if you consider the libs on the progressive side of the middle, the numbers clearly state that Canada wants a progressive government if you want to look at it like that. 17.7 +32.2 = 49.8 in comparison to the 39.1 carried between the cons and PPC.
I honestly don’t know where to put the bloc. Progressive financial policy while being pretty far right on some social issues while pretty far left on some others.